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Vangorn
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Posted: May 27, 2008 9:00pm
I know there are several topics on various methods on the T&R newspaper, but none of them really sit down and discusses all of them as a whole.
I understand the term "best" can be different for different people, but as for me I really just want to be able to tear the paper in front of the audience and restore it without any funny moves or trailmarks (like a different page than what you begin with, etc.).
The ones I am looking at are:
Better Newspaper Tear Robert Baxt
Torn And Restored Newspaper by Joel Bauer
Torn and Restored Newspaper (9 Amazing Methods) - DVD
No Tear Torn and Restored Newspaper
Torn And Restored Newspaper (World's Greatest Magic) - DVD
Torn & Restored Newspaper DVD by Gene Anderson Greater Magic,
Harlan's No Tape, No Glue, No Scissors, 20-second Setup Torn & Restored Newspaper Instant Download
Which methods are your favorite? Are there any methods I didn't list that you would suggest for a small stage performance? I really like No Tear but all of the performances I've seen involved torn pieces prior to the show, never torn infront of the audience.
P.S. I already know about Tear Down. It is too obvious for my tastes.
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Frank Starsini
Eternal Order
Northern California
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Posted: May 27, 2008 10:14pm
I've seen baxt, bauer, and Anderson.
Anderson is the harder reset but the absolute best.
Bauer's is great if you need immediate reset but certainly has its shortcomings.
Baxt gimmick can be used instead of the Anderson gimmick for the Anderson tear.
Baxt tear also comes with the no-nonsense, disappearing "hilarious routine".
You pop in the DVD and *POOF* the hilarious routine is instantly gone. I cannot stand false advertising. There is no hiliarious routine. There was (almost) no routine at all. I thought the routine was the explanation. Literally.
It's that bad.
The setup for the Baxt, as shown, made the real Anderson tear look all that much more magical and miraculous.
I doubt anyone likes the Baxt routine (since there really isn't one). I doubt that anyone thinks the setup equals the Anderson setup in terms of effect, but many like the gimmick and that it can be used in Anderson's setup. Some will like the setup because it's easier than the Anderson.
If you watch all the thinking that goes into Anderson's every move (on the anderson DVD) it's head and shoulders above what the baxt offers. You almost need both to get the full benefit out of the baxt version.
And Bauer's is the one you'll run down to the garage and start trying immediately. It's easy enough to do that it's kind of fun to try a few times.
The Anderson tear is the real work!
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Dynamike
Eternal Order
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Posted: May 27, 2008 10:37pm
To me the favorite comes about dealing with what act I am performing. If I am producing my dove at the end, Slidini's fit best. If I am going to put more time in the show and let it be examined, Richard Osterlind's is best. If I need to do it multiple times at a fair, Joel Bauer's is best.
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Vangorn
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Posted: May 28, 2008 10:25am
The Gene Anderson version, from what I hear, is taught in Ben Salinas' Torn and Restored Newspaper (9 Amazing Methods) - DVD . However, it is sold out everywhere I looked. Does anyone know where I can pick it up?
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Dynamike
Eternal Order
20615 Posts
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Posted: May 28, 2008 11:04am
Yes, I have that DVD too. I like it better than World's Greatest Magic Newspaper DVD. I would advise you to call a magic shop to order it for you.
Dynamike
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Vangorn
New user
16 Posts
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Posted: May 28, 2008 11:09am
I found it on ebay. Thanks for your help!
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Donal Chayce
Inner circle
The City of Angels
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Posted: May 28, 2008 5:06pm
My two favorites are the Gene Anderson T&R Newspaper and the Robert Harbin T&R Newspaper. That said, the only one that I use is the Anderson tear.
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NickJegor
Elite user
Lithuania
466 Posts
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Posted: May 29, 2008 7:04am
What can I say they are all good. But in years I found my own method to do the T&R.
And so far I using my own. Couse setup is simple and fast!
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Frank Starsini
Eternal Order
Northern California
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Posted: May 29, 2008 11:37am
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On 2008-05-28 10:25, Vangorn wrote:
The Gene Anderson version, from what I hear, is taught in Ben Salinas' Torn and Restored Newspaper (9 Amazing Methods) - DVD . However, it is sold out everywhere I looked. Does anyone know where I can pick it up?
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Was Ben authorized to teach this version?
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Dynamike
Eternal Order
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Posted: May 29, 2008 12:16pm
Don't know if was authorized to teach it. Ben also teaches his favorite on the DVD. It is similiar to Anderson's.
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Vangorn
New user
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Posted: May 29, 2008 2:20pm
I'm not sure if Ben is authorized, as I have yet to receive the DVD. However, I wasn't aware that it was a Magic Makers product until after I bought the product, and I have heard some nasty things about them. This is my first MM product though, so I guess I'll have to wait and see.
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inhumaninferno
Regular user
172 Posts
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Posted: May 30, 2008 4:07am
Anderson version has my vote. Worth the set-up everytime. A killer visual effect.
Get the "Newspaper Magic" book, if it is still around. Maybe from Magic, Inc.?
Give it it's due. Practice, rehearse and respect it. Otherwise, ya better watch your back (!?!?)
Good Luck with it.
John
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Bill Hegbli
Eternal Order
Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
12906 Posts
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Posted: May 30, 2008 11:24am
The Anderson Newspaper verson on DVD is put out by Stevens Magic at www.stevensmagic.com
Everything Magic Makers sells is only a copy and sometimes a poor copy. I dought you will be getting the Anderson version competely, as they do change things a little.
Example, they sell a no tear newspaper on DVD but they paper clip the pieces together. When the paper is restored it is should have been called the vanishing paper clip trick. 
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Tony Thomas
Inner circle
North Carolina
1014 Posts
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Posted: May 30, 2008 11:05pm
Let me put in a plug for the No Tear Torn & Restored Version. You mentioned that you liked it, so I suppose you know how simple the gimmick is. You mentioned that all the presentations of this has had pretorn papers. Actually in the directions Tony Stevens has two routines. Routine one is the No Tear version, which is the routines that you have seen. Routine two, as described in the directions "is the same as effect one, only you tear a newspaper in front of the audience before restoring it." I suppose this would make it the Torn No Tear Version. Anyway - you can do what you want to do, which is tear the newspaper, with the No Tear version.
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Dynamike
Eternal Order
20615 Posts
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Posted: Jun 1, 2008 9:46pm
Most people like the flash appearance. JB's No Tear can be performed that way.
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Darkwing
Inner circle
Nashville Tn
1765 Posts
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Posted: Jun 1, 2008 10:16pm
The Gene Anderson version is still the best, IMHO. The time it takes to set up is still worth the effort.
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ufo
Inner circle
Springfield, Missouri
1174 Posts
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Posted: Jun 2, 2008 9:06am
Im pretty fond of Abbotts center tear. It gives you a large area of visible restoration but it isn't the protocol of the Anderson tear which has been done...well, a lot. Its great. Its a favorite. Its a classic. Just saying I like a slight variation on the familiar trick.
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inhumaninferno
Regular user
172 Posts
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Posted: Jun 2, 2008 12:51pm
That would be the "Neil Foster Center Tear" available from Abbott's. And it is a fantastic effect.
Yes, the Anderson tear has been done alot...because it is a top notch visual effect which really defies explanation-properly presented. Great talking or to music.
As always, the choice is yours.
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Vangorn
New user
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Posted: Jun 2, 2008 5:48pm
Alright, I got the DVD and my final thoughts are fairly positive.
While Ben goes through 9 of the different techniques, only half of them are any good. Of those good ones, the Gene Anderson version is included, which is AWSOME! Ben also gives his modified version of the Anderson method, but I still prefer the original.
People said that Magicmakers don't credit sources. While I can't say for the other 7 versions given, Ben made it very well known that Gene Anderson created the shown newspaper tear. Addtionally, I felt the teaching was very well done, and the DVD quality exceptional.
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Levent
Special user
USA
793 Posts
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Posted: Jun 4, 2008 6:39pm
In my opinion, the best newspaper tear method is determined by how it is used.
If you are not concerned with angles and are just presenting it as a stand alone trick, you would be hard pressed to find one better than Gene Anderson’s. When I first saw it I was a small boy (and still a layman) and was completely blown away by Doug Henning’s presentation on Broadway and on TV. The power of the flash restoration should not be overlooked.
That said, for some it might not be the best choice. For instance the Neal Foster center tear is compact and almost angle proof and can be performed very quickly (which can be useful in a silent act). When combined with a follow up effect such as the production of a dove from the newspaper it is terrific. The point here is that in this instance the paper restoration is a minor effect followed with a major effect (the dove production). Incidentally, some magicians associate this center-tear to dove combination with Lance Burton, but I saw it performed in this way years earlier by Mercer Helms on an HBO TV special in the 1970s.
As for me, I love the Anderson Tear and I performed it many times when I was a kid. But when I became a professional comedy magician over 20 years ago, I switched over to the Slydini news tear. I did this because, it was easy to prepare, the angles were great for comedy clubs and I didn’t care about the flash restoration, because I used it as a minor effect as part of a larger routine.
The same comments could be made about Paul Potassy’s Newspaper Tear. In this version Mr. Potassy frames the trick into a very large version of the Sucker Torn and Restored Tissue Paper effect. And as a result, the flash restoration is not so important, because the primary effect is the sucker finale.
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Mind_Magic
Inner circle
The Sunshine State USA
1124 Posts
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Posted: Jun 5, 2008 10:00am
I go with Joel Bauer's Tom and Restored Newspaper.
Sets up in a minute; Resets in 3 seconds; You can use standard newspapers, tabloids, even newsletter-size publications; It can be performed completely surrounded.
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inhumaninferno
Regular user
172 Posts
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Posted: Jun 5, 2008 10:42am
Once again Levent lays out killer information in a thoughful manner-from theory to practice.
His post frames the methodology with an eye to routining and desired uses/outcomes.
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Prof. Alexander
New user
68 Posts
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Posted: Jun 6, 2008 4:17am
Hi
Until recently I would have said Gene Andersons method was in a class of it's own and head and sholders above other methods....but recently I attended a magic lecture given by Alan Shaxon, Presedent of the Magic Circle and bought his method...
From a set up point of view this is amazing - it takes a glue stick and two newspapers and you're ready to go in 3 minutes. The gimic can be used numerious times until it falls apart. The reset takes seconds. So if you are doing lots of performances this is perfect. The flash apperance is very strong and completely baffling. It uses tabloid size newspapers (which is great in this part of the world because there are lots of free newspapers available in this size).
I don't think I'll drop Gene's method (perfect for large format newspapers) but it's great to have another method that is a strong effect and easy to set up.
all the best
Alex
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socalmagic
Loyal user
Los Angeles
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Posted: Jun 15, 2008 6:03am
I think that the Joel Bauer and Alan Shaxon version are essentially the same. I highly reccomend it. I performed the Gene Anderson newspaper tear for years, but eventually switched to Alan Shaxon's version. It's not quite as strong as the Gene Anderson newspaper tear, but it is much more versatile. It is easy to set-up, reset, and has much beeter viewing angles. It also has a great flash restoration.
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magic4u02
Eternal Order
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted: Jun 15, 2008 8:48am
I still love the original Gene Anderson tear. yes it takes longer to set up and such, but it is so well worth it. The reactiosn are just amazing. The illusion is just so beautiful as to the audience it really does look like the paper restores as the pieces are falling into place.
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Chris Becker
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New York, NY
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Posted: Jun 15, 2008 10:44am
I like Slydini's version, takes about a minute max. to set up and absolutely sufficient for every audience.
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TOTALLY MAGIC
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Posted: Jun 17, 2008 7:15am
I rally like fileding west's,
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gerard1973
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Michigan, U.S.A.
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Posted: Jun 19, 2008 10:32pm
Vangorn:
The most popular Torn and Restored Newspaper is the Gene Anderson version. It is simply the best one there is and the only one that most magicians will use.
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jasanchez
Regular user
146 Posts
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Posted: Jun 24, 2008 11:37pm
I love the center tear, I believe that's what its call, its from Neil Forster
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stoneunhinged
Inner circle
Göttingen
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Posted: Jun 28, 2008 4:08pm
Everyone, your search is over. I just found the BEST torn and restored newspaper effect, and it's FREE:
Here: http://www.revver.com/video/295903/torn-and-restored-newspaper-revealed/
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