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Posted: Feb 3, 2009 2:11am
This review was from James Brown who does not have access to this forum so I am posting this for him.
Coinvexed 2 Review – James Brown
Well, what can I say about this new utility from Dave Penn and the team.
What a FANTASTIC use of the Sharpie! Totally convincing because it is totally invisible. I have even had this handled by spectators without any hint of suspicion.
The original Coinvexed has always been my coin bender of choice but this
NEW EDITION completely surpasses anything I have used before.
I have been using this new edition OF COINVEXED for a couple of weeks now and it just fits into by pocket perfectly and removes the need to hold the original gimmick in both hands.
I have already been working on a couple of different applications THAT work perfectly and will talk with David about how we can share these ideas with YOU all soon SHOULD you choose to BUY the new Coinvexed 2 Sharpie Edition
Shot with 2 cameras with high quality picture
Goodbye for NOW!
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Posted: Feb 3, 2009 7:37am
Hi all I just noticed that Costas ( Gochos ) has not included the last couple of sentences from the Mini Review by James Brown.
Here is the post in full including the final byline by James.
This was not meant to insult the intelligence of any reader here in the Café.
as you will see from the smile at the end of the Byline. Sorry for the omission.
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Coinvexed 2 Review – James Brown
Well, what can I say about this new utility from Dave Penn and the team.
What a FANTASTIC use of the Sharpie! Totally convincing because it is totally invisible. I have even had this handled by spectators without any hint of suspicion.
The original Coinvexed has always been my coin bender of choice but this
NEW EDITION completely surpasses anything I have used before.
I have been using this new edition OF COINVEXED for a couple of weeks now and it just fits into by pocket perfectly and removes the need to hold the original gimmick in both hands.
I have already been working on a couple of different applications THAT work perfectly and will talk with David about how we can share these ideas with YOU all soon SHOULD you choose to BUY the new Coinvexed 2 Sharpie Edition
It also comes with a professionally produced instructional DVD that features two live performances shot with two cameras.
Goodbye for NOW!
James Brown
(I hope you liked the subliminal suggestion! )
Feb 2009
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The original of this post is at the following link,
http://www.magicbunny.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=426623&sid=499cb2ba389ba137db5ca260ae57969c#426623
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Rich B.

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Posted: Feb 3, 2009 8:18am
I was not very happy with the original Coinvexed gimmick which I explained on a review when I first received it. The idea of Coinvexed is very clever. Basically I was not happy with the pocket management issues. Even though Coinvexed got fairly favorable reviews, it seems that the creator does agree with my initial assessment and has a "new" version utilizing a sharpie which streamlines the handling.
After I purchased Coinvexed last year...it is still brand new and never used, I had a gimmick machined (for my own use) that utilizes a sharpie. I've been using this for almost 6 months and it has been for great for me. All I have to do is reach for my sharpie to have the coin signed and everything I need is in play. Easy to ditch as well. It does not solve the problem of "when to do the bend" which seemed to be one of the biggest problems for most performers. For me it is quite easy and I've never been caught. Of Course David Penn's routine with Coinvexed did make the moment invisible, but for me created other problems that I could not overcome.
For the record, I have never seen the Quantum Bender and have no clue of its design. I even considered purchasing it at one time.
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Posted: Feb 3, 2009 10:51am
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On 2009-02-03 08:18, Rich B. wrote:
After I purchased Coinvexed last year...it is still brand new and never used, I had a gimmick machined (for my own use) that utilizes a sharpie. I've been using this for almost 6 months and it has been for great for me. All I have to do is reach for my sharpie to have the coin signed and everything I need is in play. Easy to ditch as well. It does not solve the problem of "when to do the bend" which seemed to be one of the biggest problems for most performers. For me it is quite easy and I've never been caught. Of Course David Penn's routine with Coinvexed did make the moment invisible, but for me created other problems that I could not overcome.
For the record, I have never seen the Quantum Bender and have no clue of its design. I even considered purchasing it at one time.
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Hi Rich,
Great to hear you are doing well with your coin bending.
Your own Sharpie gimmick sounds interesting. I just hope that you have not infringed the Patent Pending claimed by John Sheets the creator of Quantum Bender as you seem to be going out of your way to claim no knowledge of the the Quantum Bender for reasons that are beyond me.
Perhaps you will be able to find the Patent Pending for Quantum Bender with a search at the United States Patent Office. We carried out extensive searches under all available search headings and even used information supplied by John, but we were not able to locate this claimed Patent Pending.
I am certain that the Patent Pending is there and that we have just failed to find it.
John would not claim to have a Patent Pending knowing that it is a criminal Offence to do so where there is none.
It would also offend customers who paid top dollar to buy a protected product.
So I think you can take it as read, that there is a Patent Pending application and you owe it to John to check it with regard to your gimmick, as you claim not to have seen Quantum Bender.
I have asked John for a direct link to the Patent Pending Application on the US Patent Registry as this is public information.
To date, the information has not been supplied. If you do find the application, perhaps you could pm me with the link.
Best regards
and happy bending
Jim
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Rich B.

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Posted: Feb 3, 2009 11:34am
Hi Jim.
I know of the Quantum Bender as of reviews on the Café alone. Its been noted as the best bender on the market. I also read that some guys are able to use the Quantum Bender with 1 hand. It would be IMPOSSIBLE to do that with my own version.
Also, by watching the handling by John T.Sheets video performance of the Quantum Bender on You Tube, and I am sure it is not the same method, as John would never be able to perform it as smoothly as he does with my gimmick.
My solution is not very different from all the typical benders that already exist. However, getting "in and out" of the routine is easier.
I didn't say I had NO KNOWLEDGE of the Quantum Bender. It is easy to figure out how the gimmick is disguised in performance just by the various posts on The Café.
What I said is "I have never seen the Quantum Bender and have no clue of its design". This is absolutely true.
I've spent lots of money on magic and have no desire to cheat any creator of what is due them. I simply created a version for myself and not something that I will be selling to anyone. Good luck with your Patent search.
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Posted: Feb 3, 2009 11:50am
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On 2009-02-03 11:34, Rich B. wrote:
I've spent lots of money on magic and have no desire to cheat any creator of what is due them. I simply created a version for myself and not something that I will be selling to anyone. Good luck with your Patent search.
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Hi Rich I was not suggesting that you would cheat a creator, I was just advising caution and due dilligence, as you have just posted on a public forum that you had created a Sharpie Coin bending Gimmick and also quoted QB. I know that John is very touchy on this subject at the moment.
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Posted: Feb 3, 2009 12:22pm
So, COINVEXED 2 uses a different method than QB2? I own Coinvexed and QB2... and most benders.... so just wondering without giving away the essentials... and how do they compare in terms of ease of use, bending, pocket management etc? (Yeah, I'll likely get it anyway eventually as part of the coin bender collection... but knowing if I should buy it straight out or just wait for a second hander on the selling section will be good!)
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matthew wright

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Posted: Feb 3, 2009 12:42pm
Jaz, You seem to be putting up your defences regarding QB already. Are you expecting trouble? Hope not. I quite fancy this.
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Posted: Feb 3, 2009 2:57pm
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On 2009-02-03 12:42, matthew wright wrote:
Jaz, You seem to be putting up your defences regarding QB already. Are you expecting trouble? Hope not. I quite fancy this.
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Hi Matthew,
Not expecting any trouble and no defences up. However we always carry out due dilligence prior to releasing any effect. I was merely giving my opinion on the post by Rich B.
I think you will like this one and as usual VFM and integrity are our top priorities for our customers.
Dr SpeKtor, Sorry but you are going to have to wait until after the release before any further details are revealed on this. Here is something that may help.
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On 2009-01-21 22:11, Al Straker wrote:
Yes it is a Sharpie gimmick but not the same as Quantum Bender by Sheets.
I have been fortunate enough to be using a prototype for a few months, very nice way to deceptively put 'work' into a coin. The actions are natural and I would say it is one of the least 'fiddley' devices available. Gimmick will never wear out.
Cheers,
Al
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chappelly

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Posted: Feb 3, 2009 4:10pm
When is the release date for this Jim?
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Posted: Feb 3, 2009 4:25pm
Hi Chappelly,
This is being released at the International Convention in Blackpool on February 20th. It will go into general distribution via Murphy's Magic Supplies at the earliest opportunity following our return from the convention.
Pre-orders will be shipped 24th 25th February from the UK
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Posted: Feb 3, 2009 4:35pm
When can we pre order from WMS ?
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Posted: Feb 3, 2009 4:51pm
Is there a price yet?
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On 2009-02-03 16:35, matt.magicman wrote:
When can we pre order from WMS ?
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Hi Matt,
Within a few days, watch out for your email with all details including price and availability.
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Posted: Feb 4, 2009 6:25pm
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Hi Rich,
Great to hear you are doing well with your coin bending.
Your own Sharpie gimmick sounds interesting. I just hope that you have not infringed the Patent Pending claimed by John Sheets the creator of Quantum Bender as you seem to be going out of your way to claim no knowledge of the the Quantum Bender for reasons that are beyond me.
Perhaps you will be able to find the Patent Pending for Quantum Bender with a search at the United States Patent Office. We carried out extensive searches under all available search headings and even used information supplied by John, but we were not able to locate this claimed Patent Pending.
I am certain that the Patent Pending is there and that we have just failed to find it.
John would not claim to have a Patent Pending knowing that it is a criminal Offence to do so where there is none.
It would also offend customers who paid top dollar to buy a protected product.
So I think you can take it as read, that there is a Patent Pending application and you owe it to John to check it with regard to your gimmick, as you claim not to have seen Quantum Bender.
I have asked John for a direct link to the Patent Pending Application on the US Patent Registry as this is public information.
To date, the information has not been supplied. If you do find the application, perhaps you could pm me with the link.
Best regards
and happy bending
Jim
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I just got off the phone with John Sheets. He states that he emailed you the patent numbers a couple of days ago AND that you PM'd him that you did in fact receive the email. He'll be on here shortly to post the emails between yourself and him. I'll be receiving a copy of the email myself as well...If what John says is true, that is a shame that you would come on here and lie through your teeth. I anxiously await for the email to be posted here. Assumming you haven't handled this ethically, what else have you not handle ethically? Possibly the Coinvexed 2? I'm not accusing, but since you have brought these accusations, I think it's fair to ask some questions. And if things do come to light??? We'll have to wait and see....
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Posted: Feb 4, 2009 7:42pm
This all does sound a bit in bad taste on your part Jim especially with the timing of your product and the incredibly long existence of the Quantum Bender (both the original as well as 2.0). Not saying that Coinvexed 2 is a copy of QB but basically it was bad taste that your wording of the situation makes it reflect badly on John Sheets.
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Posted: Feb 4, 2009 9:08pm
We still haven't seen these e-mails between Jim and John. There really isn't any need to fling mud. Coinvexed 2 may even use a different method.
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Posted: Feb 4, 2009 9:11pm
May very well be different! But the if Jim is lying about the patents, not good.
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Posted: Feb 4, 2009 9:59pm
That sounds good.
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Posted: Feb 5, 2009 5:39am
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On 2009-02-04 18:25, lunatik wrote:
I just got off the phone with John Sheets. He states that he emailed you the patent numbers a couple of days ago AND that you PM'd him that you did in fact receive the email. He'll be on here shortly to post the emails between yourself and him. I'll be receiving a copy of the email myself as well...If what John says is true, that is a shame that you would come on here and lie through your teeth. I anxiously await for the email to be posted here. Assumming you haven't handled this ethically, what else have you not handle ethically? Possibly the Coinvexed 2? I'm not accusing, but since you have brought these accusations, I think it's fair to ask some questions. And if things do come to light??? We'll have to wait and see....
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Richard (Lunatik,)
I really do resent the "lie through your teeth comment." We have been totally truthful and ethical throughout this debacle, started by you, suggesting that we had perhaps ripped off the QB2. It is wearing a bit thin now and just to save you or John the trouble and to ensure there is no editing going on, I include below the full content of the emails spelling mistakes and all between John and myself.
As you can clearly see, John provided information that did not show up anywhere on the United States Patent And Trademark Office on any of the searches detailed in my email. I have asked for a direct link and no response has been forthcoming from John.
That aside, I do think that people should wait until the product is released before jumping to unfounded conclusions about our ethics. Or making statements that they will have to suck back up like "Lying through your teeth." If you look at the post on this by Al Straker, I think you will get the idea. Just one more thing Richard (Lunatic) In your last PM to me you requested a CV2 to "put it through the ringer" I guess that this was just another way of John trying to get his hands on our product through you and before the release.
We know our release is totally ethical and we are not under any obligation to provide you, John or anyone else with free units. That aside, units and prototypes have been with several well know magicians Including 3 regular TV magicians, and Café members since August last year.
Do you really think that we would have done that if we were about to rip off another creator. Just wait until the release then post your apology.
Best regards
Jim
Here are the emails referred to by Richard Lunatik
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EMAIL 1 JIM TO JOHN
From: jim
Sent: 24 January 2009 15:53
To: john@johntsheets.com
Cc: David Penn-Illusionist; Costas Damianou
Subject: Coinvexed 2 Sharpie Edition
Importance: High
Sensitivity: Confidential
Hi John,
David Penn has notified me of your pm regarding Coinvexed 2 The Sharpie Edition.
World Magic Shop own the rights to this product and it will be released at the Blackpool Magic Convention.
David tells me that you are highly concerned about the similarity between Coinvexed 2 and QB2 and that you have a patent pending.
As part of our due diligence prior to releasing this item we carried out a search of both the US and UK patent registers. We could not find any similar items.
I note that you claim to have a patent pending and obviously we would not wish to infringe upon that application. Therefore in accordance with good practice, I would request that you send me details of your application or at the very least the application for patent pending number which will be a matter of public record.
This will allow our Patent Attorneys to review your application in respect of any infringement.
We will not be sending you any review copy as they are in limited supply and we have already allocated the review copies.
I look forward to receiving the information from you that would allow us to review this matter prior to the imminent release.
Best regards
Jim Trainer
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REPLY FROM JOHN
From: John T Sheets [mailto:JOHN@JOHNTSHEETS.COM]
Sent: 28 January 2009 18:48
To: jim
Subject: Re: Coinvexed 2 Sharpie Edition
Hello Jim,
Thanks for your correspondence in the matter of my concern of the simularities of "Coinvexed 2" and the "Quantum Bender 2". Yes, not only is the "Quantum Bender" patent pending but I would also hope that you wouldn't intentionally create something simular from an ethical stand point.
The "Quantum Bender" has a filing date of 05/05/2006, with the United States Patent And Trademark Office, the application number is:
12/009,445. Foreign filing license was granted: 06/06/2006. The country code and number of the priority application, to be used for filing abroad the Paris Convention, is US 12/009,445. The Projected Publication date is: 04/02/09.
Will you please tell me the differences or simularities in the "Coinvexed 2" to the "Quantum Bender"? Thank you.
I look forward to your future correspondence.
Magically,
John T. Sheets
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EMAIL 3 REPLY FROM JIM
From: jim [mailto:jim@worldmagicshop.co.uk]
Sent: 28 January 2009 22:18
To: 'John T Sheets'
Subject: RE: Coinvexed 2 Sharpie Edition
Importance: High
Hi John,
I have used the information that you supplied to carry out a further search of the US Patents and Trademarks registry. I can find nothing using this information searching any database. (see below)
It would be helpful if you could provide me with a direct web link to your patent pending application. As this is a public record I guess that you will not have a problem with that.
I will not divulge any information regarding our product until I have viewed this record
Best regards
Jim
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As you will see from the foregoing, we have acted ethically and with great respect to John’s product which is already in the marketplace.
We had carried out all of our checks and searches prior to being contacted by John. We decided to be extra careful after being contacted by John and carried out further searches based on the information supplied by him. The results of that are above.
I have not had any response from John to my last email and therefore as in my previous post, I can confirm that the information has not been forthcoming.
I am sure you will agree that it does not make any sense for us to offer a competitor full disclosure on our product before the release. Would Coke invite the MD of Pepsi to come and taste their latest drink a month before it was launched.
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Posted: Feb 5, 2009 6:14am
Thank you Jim for clarifying that he did in fact send you the patent numbers but that you were unable to find them. As to why you were unable to find them? I'll be honest, I haven't attempted to look for them and I can only assume the format wasn't entered in correctly? I'll assume that you did your best to locate the patents. As to why he hasn't provided a direct link? He has limited internet and I do not believe he's been online since the last email he sent you. He said last night that he'll be getting online soon to address this.
Also, I didn't say you were lying through your teeth, I said "IF". There's a difference. At anyrate, you're posts in this thread have defintely have been insinuating that John is a liar and does not have any patents pending. Him not responding in a timely manner doesn't mean that he's not been forthcoming. In fact, you haven't been forthcoming to the people reading this thread until today. Now things are starting to come together and we'll awaite for a response by John. Next time, please give everyone the whole picture instead of a small slice.
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Posted: Feb 5, 2009 6:20am
There are a couple of threads on the café regarding Coinvexed 2. and here are a couple of posts from members on this thread
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=294443&forum=218&start=0 which may help to get things in perspective
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On 2009-01-27 10:19, Rupert Bair wrote:
This is Brilliant - very well made and extremely deceptive and practical addition to the original! Really is, had the pleasure at playing around with it last week, go get one when its out, you'll love it; sorry I can't say any more as its not my place to, but if you own and love coinvexed this takes it up an even higher level. Please don't pm for any more information, you'll have to wait for the release.
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On 2009-01-21 22:11, Al Straker wrote:
Yes it is a Sharpie gimmick but not the same as Quantum Bender by Sheets.
I have been fortunate enough to be using a prototype for a few months, very nice way to deceptively put 'work' into a coin. The actions are natural and I would say it is one of the least 'fiddley' devices available. Gimmick will never wear out.
Cheers,
Al
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Posted: Feb 5, 2009 6:26am
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On 2009-02-04 21:08, Doug Lippert wrote:
We still haven't seen these e-mails between Jim and John. There really isn't any need to fling mud. Coinvexed 2 may even use a different method.
Best,
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Doug thanks for your Karma
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On 2009-02-05 06:14, lunatik wrote:
Thank you Jim for clarifying that he did in fact send you the patent numbers but that you were unable to find them. As to why you were unable to find them? I'll be honest, I haven't attempted to look for them and I can only assume the format wasn't entered in correctly? I'll assume that you did your best to locate the patents. As to why he hasn't provided a direct link? He has limited internet and I do not believe he's been online since the last email he sent you. He said last night that he'll be getting online soon to address this.
Also, I didn't say you were lying through your teeth, I said "IF". There's a difference. At anyrate, you're posts in this thread have defintely have been insinuating that John is a liar and does not have any patents pending. Him not responding in a timely manner doesn't mean that he's not been forthcoming. In fact, you haven't been forthcoming to the people reading this thread until today. Now things are starting to come together and we'll awaite for a response by John. Next time, please give everyone the whole picture instead of a small slice.
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Richard,
I a have no obligation to provide you or anyone else with details of confidential emails. When you state that "I have not been forthcoming", to what are you referring???? We have been open and honest and answered all questions where we were able to without divulging confidential information.
You also know what they say about assume, it makes an a** out of you and me.
How can you assume that the searches were not carried out correctly.
Our Patent Attorneys carried out these searches 2 years ago and then again last year. They found no relevant conflict or infringement regarding either of our releases of Coinvexed.
We were then contacted again by John both by PM and email. The information from the emails is detailed above.
Yes, John claims to have a Patenet Pending and yes neither us nor our Patent Attorneys have found any trace of it even using the further information supplied by John.
We are within our lawful rights to demand to see this information.
Perhaps you should use the information provided by John in the above email and see if you have any luck. If you do, please let me know.
That aside, there is no conflict between the items subject of this ping pong match so perhaps we should let this branch of the thread rest.
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Posted: Feb 5, 2009 6:53am
I think these emails should have been sent at the conception of the creation of Coinvexed 2. But it's possible that they were and I'm just unaware. I believe David Penn has a QB2 which should give all parties an idea of what they're working with, but if CV2 is really close in functionality, then I can see why the request for the pending patents. But if these were the only emails that were requesting the patent numbers, I think it's a little be late as CV2 is about to be released to the world. Best of luck to everyone involved
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Posted: Feb 5, 2009 7:02am
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On 2009-02-05 06:53, lunatik wrote:
I think these emails should have been sent at the conception of the creation of Coinvexed 2. But it's possible that they were and I'm just unaware. I believe David Penn has a QB2 which should give all parties an idea of what they're working with, but if CV2 is really close in functionality, then I can see why the request for the pending patents. But if these were the only emails that were requesting the patent numbers, I think it's a little be late as CV2 is about to be released to the world. Best of luck to everyone involved
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Richard,
It seems that you are just not getting it.
We had no obligation to contact John at any point.
We employ professionals to research our products and if we feel that we might be close to stepping on someones toes then at that point, we would either abandon the project or contact the person and try to work something out.
The huge financial commitment to go to prototype and then production on an item like this warrants detailed research and we carried out that research.
We had no need to contact John Sheets. We immediately responded to his emails and PM's to us and we then immediately responded to your totally incorrect assumptions on this and the other thread.
As I said previously, we could go on with this Ping Pong match for ever but I think you should let it rest and just wait until the release. THis is supposed to be a review thread.
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Jim
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danielellis_5

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Posted: Feb 5, 2009 7:08am
Will it be possible to pre-order coin-vexed 2 and then pick it up at the blackpool convention?Im not going to the convention untill the sunday and I would hate to find out that coin-vexed 2 is sold out.
Thanks Alot
Dan
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Jaz2005

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Posted: Feb 5, 2009 7:19am
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On 2009-02-05 07:08, danielellis_5 wrote:
Will it be possible to pre-order coin-vexed 2 and then pick it up at the blackpool convention?Im not going to the convention untill the sunday and I would hate to find out that coin-vexed 2 is sold out.
Thanks Alot
Dan
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Just PM'd you details Daniel
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Caliban

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Posted: Feb 5, 2009 3:06pm
Jim
I'm finding it hard to see the relevance of all this patent talk. Surely you're not claiming that it would be okay to rip off the Quantum Bender if John can't prove he has a patent pending? Magic is a small cottage industry where very few products are protected by patents. Instead, the magic world has a well established rule that ethical dealers do not rip off the products of others. So whether or not John Sheet's patent pending actually exists makes absolutely no difference one way or another.
And lets be honest, anyone who is well connected in magic can easily find out what a Quantum Bender is and how it works. If you didn't know already you would have easily been able to find out by ringing round a few contacts. So we can safely assume that you already know exactly what John's gimmick is, and that yours is different or you wouldn't be putting it out.
Coinvexed 2 is likely to cause some controversy: Some people will argue that because the Quantum Bender is an established coin bender disguised as a Sharpie, it's a rip off for another dealer to release their own coin bender disguised as a Sharpie, even if the methods are different. Other people will argue that, as the method is completely different there's no problem. There's no definite right or wrong on that one - it's just going to come down personal opinions.
To me, this appears to be a bit of a distraction tactic. You know that you're in a bit of an ethical grey area in releasing a coin bender disguised as a Sharpie when one is already on the market, and you know that some people (especially those with a competing product) might criticize you for it ... but if you can lead people to accuse you of ripping off the Quantum Bender before it's released and have those people proved wrong when yours turns out to be a completely different method ... then you appear to have won the argument and it steers people away from the real question, which is whether it's ethical for another dealer to market a Sharpie coin bending gimmick at all.
Or something like that.
I'm not suggesting that it IS unethical for someone else to release a different Sharpie coin bending gimmick - you could make a valid case for either side of the argument - but that debate is the real issue. All this talk of patents just comes across as misdirection.
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Jon Allen

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Posted: Feb 5, 2009 3:51pm
I think part of the problem here is the vast majority have not seen the gimmick (me included). People who know about QB and the way it works are possibly wondering how different a gimmick something can be when:
1. It needs to bend a coin
2. It needs to be disguised as a Sharpie
3. It has Coinvexed in, knowing how that works.
Once Coinvexed 2 is released, people will know for sure of the similarities....or otherwise. Until then, everything is speculation.
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