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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
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On 2010-10-30 07:22, Billgussen wrote: I did not know that. Thank you for notifying me. |
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Swann101 Special user 558 Posts |
I also found the list very interesting! I would also add Jason Latimers glass cup routine and Shaun Farquhar's amazing routine to the list with his kicker solid cups ending.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Reality check here, Swann101. Neither of those two routines is available on a DVD. We are SPECIFICALLY discussing DVD's for the person who wants to learn the cups and balls, not what routines we like. You can't even find Shaun Farquhar's routine on YouTube, because he is protecting it.
"The Swatter"
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kentfgunn Inner circle Merritt Island FL 1639 Posts |
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On 2010-10-31 10:49, Lawrence O wrote: I gotta put Lawrence O on the darned payroll! If you send me an email, a DVD with this routine can be yours for a small price. (ok not all that small price) kentgunn@hotmail.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t__UnSXmjvc KG PS Thank you Etienne! PPS This is not really a good routine to start with! |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
One of the most entertaining routines, by far, is by Nick Nickolas, the street performer. It goes with the theme of his entire act. A great ending. Funny stuff throughout. Nick is a great entertainer.
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DavinSimone New user Central Louisiana 59 Posts |
Thanks for the info here. I ordered the 1st and 2nd Ammar DVDs. Here's to expanding my closeup!
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
I stood next to Kent Gunn for three days at the WMS two years ago. I watched him do that routine many times.
I never got tired of it. I really think Kent has done some major work here. It's a great routine. As he says, it's not for a beginner.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Tom Fenton Inner circle Leeds, UK (but I'm Scottish) 1477 Posts |
Kent Gunn's routine is a wonderful work.
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sthielman Regular user North Carolina 129 Posts |
I gotta say, though I love the Michael Ammar DVDs, there are so many moves and variations it can be a little overwhelming. If you work through Bob White's DVD, you'll really be able to do a great C&B routine at the end. Also, it's only 1 DVD.
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egyptianprince New user 14 Posts |
Cups and balls by Bill Malone!!!! that's what its about
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
Kent's routine is indeed awesome. It's a pleasure to read through.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
It's an even bigger pleasure to see "live."
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Tom Fenton Inner circle Leeds, UK (but I'm Scottish) 1477 Posts |
Someday...sigh
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
I don't know whether it was ever recorded, but James Randi has nice things to say about Charles Reynolds's Cups & Balls routine, in the obituary notice he published a few days ago:
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Charlie was also a very accomplished sleight-of-hand performer, and could bring an audience of professional and amateur magicians to their feet with cheers as he carried off a routine such as the Cups and Balls, in which a set of metal cups inverted over a simple ball would confound the spectators’ expectations of just where that mystically furtive object could be found at any given time, only to end up in Charlie’s pocket while lemons or baseballs dropped out of the just-emptied cups… It was a classic, a wonder, a stunner, an illusion, a beautiful prestidigitation from the hands of a master. -and- Quote:
Yes, Charlie Reynolds lived a long, productive, and exciting life. One cannot really expect more, I guess. He was not only very talented, he was a fine human being. He was my friend for some half-century or more, a valued buddy. I will miss him greatly, and every time I see a performance of the Cups and Balls routine, I will compare it with his… Thought the readers of this forum might find that of interest. Woland |
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Dale Houck Veteran user Dakota J Magic at Saint Cloud, FL 343 Posts |
I agree the Ammar and Bob White DVDs are the place to go as far as DVDs are concerned when starting out. As a "buffet" type of viewing and learning, I recommend the Volume 3 of the World's Greatest Magic Cups and Balls. It has Bill Malone's version of Rub-A-Dub-Dub (which in my mind I still think of as Michael Skinner's routine, even though it's a lot older than even Skinner's performances) and David Regal's Cups and Cups and Balls and Balls. The real jewel (for me) on that DVD is Al Schneider's explanation of his routine. I think Al is a lot like Tommy Wonder in his attention to detail and making the moves seem natural. I think they both take/took their routines to the highest levels of perfection.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
This reminds me of people learning to play a musical instrument. I taught guitar and banjo for a couple of decades -- sometimes when work is scarce, you take advantage of your other skills.
I used to have people come in to my studio and say, "I want to play the banjo just like Earl Scruggs or just like Larry McNeely." To tell the truth, there are very few players who can do that, even after YEARS of work. But they all have to start at the same place -- basic chords, basic left hand technique, basic right hand technique and basic ear training. Granted, unless a person is absolutely devoid of any musical talent whatsoever, I can have him/her playing "Foggy Mountain Breakdown" in two months. But what will they know? They will know one song. That's it. Period. They won't know how to play the banjo. The next time you watch one of these Chinese magic acts that have won a competition in Europe, bear in mind that for the most part, that act is ALL THEY KNOW about magic. At the combined convention in Louisville, KY, a couple of years ago, a friend of mine spoke at length with one of the competitors who did a really beautiful manipulative act. He learned that she didn't even know what a TT is. She couldn't do a DL. She did her act. That was it.
"The Swatter"
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Dale Houck Veteran user Dakota J Magic at Saint Cloud, FL 343 Posts |
I don't think I've ever read any magic books as fascinating as "The Books of Wonder." However, to watch Tommy Wonder's performance and explanation on the DVD set "Visions of Wonder" was also enlightening. In his books and the dialogue on the Visions of Wonder, you could almost see the magical wheels turning. I also have Ammar's Cups and Balls book as well as his DVDs. Even though I recommended Ammar's DVSs as the place to go when starting out, it was because this thread is about DVDs. In truth, I haven't watched but about 50% of his DVDs because I think they move too slow. I'd rather skim through the book again.
When reading through this thread, I didn't see any mention of Al Schneider, and to me, Al deserved mentioning. I can see similarities in his and Tommy Wonder's thinking processes. Both men go beyond explaining how their routines work into some valuable teaching tools that could benefit many people. I don't think there's any more danger in someone imitating Al Schneider or Tommy Wonder by watching their performances than there is in imitating Michael Ammar by watching his DVDs. You can't learn to do a cups and balls routine by watching The World's Greatest Magic Cups and Balls DVDs. But, you can learn some things that will help build your foundation if you have an open mind.
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Swann101 Special user 558 Posts |
I have heard the same story about some of the chinese acts. That is so strange, it is almost like a factory making magic robots.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
In China, and I think in India as well, the population is large enough to allow for intensive specialization. Thus you can find a chef in India whose specialty may be a biryani for 50 people, and another chef who makes a biryani for 150 people. Based on the size of your gathering, you hire your chef. Similarly with the performing arts. In India a man will traditionally have inherited his occupation as part of his place in the caste system, in China the arts are also hereditary, and training is often restricted to members of the clan. For an interesting Chinese film about a man whose life was devoted to one effect, Bian Lian or face changing, I recommend "King of Masks" directed by Wu Tian-Ming in 1996.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
In China, magic is part of the Chinese opera system. This includes acrobatics, the opera, itself, stage fighting and a host of other similar related arts. The Chinese have branched out into Western style magic, without gaining any of the grounding in the traditions behind it or the foundations of it.
It has some similarity to the old Soviet system. NONE of these performers is asked what they want to be when they grow up. They do not have any choice in the matter. If the governing board decides that the child is best qualified to do back palms and ballet, then the child will undergo intensive training in just the things necessary to produce one outstanding magic act, which will be designed for them. There is NO artistic freedom. In fact, there is NO freedom.
"The Swatter"
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