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Kamal
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Posted: Jun 19, 2010 1:48am
Ah, I see.
He was being facetious. Good ol' internet.
Melbourne Comedy Magician
http://www.kamal.com.au
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truthteller
Inner circle
2589 Posts
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Posted: Jun 19, 2010 2:42am
Ding ding ding
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Kamal
Loyal user
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Posted: Jun 19, 2010 3:16am
Where's my prize?
Melbourne Comedy Magician
http://www.kamal.com.au
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Caliban
Special user
659 Posts
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Posted: Jun 19, 2010 5:08am
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On 2010-06-18 22:50, truthteller wrote:
And who wants to use some one elses script and jokes? I would much rather write my own ...
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On 2010-06-19 01:48, kamal wrote:
Ah, I see. He was being facetious.
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Exactly, why would anyone want to write their own jokes and create their own presentations when they can buy a proven routine that's been performed thousands of times by one of the best in the business?
That's why I would never risk booking a magician like Scott Alexander. I mean, that guy isn't using other people's best routines that he's bought - he's actually performing his own original material with jokes that he's knocked together himself. He can't be very good.
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Stucky
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Still not banned after
820 Posts
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Posted: Jun 19, 2010 6:26am
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On 2010-06-05 16:29, truthteller wrote:
Ps. Most of sylvesters gags were taken directly from the work of fleischer, avery, jones et al. All he did was make them performable on the stage as opposed to the screen.
I don't know if that exempts him from never having 'borrowed one iota' as his whole act is about replicating someone elses work - albeit in a different media.
See, this is fun.
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You can NOT be serious? Really?
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Review King
Eternal Order
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Posted: Jun 19, 2010 9:33am
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On 2010-06-19 00:47, Gospel Dan wrote:
Am I the only one to get what truthteller was doing? I think truthteller wasn't being serious but rather being sarcastic in a humorous way. Trying to beat the naysayers to the punch.
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I laughed at what Brad wrote and decided to wait to see if 'some' folks took the bait.
Brad needs a bigger boat!
Chris
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been"
..........John Greenleaf Whittier
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truthteller
Inner circle
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Posted: Jun 19, 2010 1:52pm
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On 2010-06-19 03:16, Kamal wrote:
Where's my prize?
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Admittedly, you got it right on the SECOND try.
Here's a plastic spider ring.
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Dan Bernier
Inner circle
Canada
2299 Posts
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Posted: Jun 19, 2010 2:51pm
Does that mean I get first prize? (lol)
"If you're going to walk in the rain, don't complain about getting wet!"
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Potty the Pirate
Inner circle
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Posted: Jun 19, 2010 4:47pm
There are those creative souls than can create masterpieces, and then there are those that wish they could. Doubtless there are also many who couldn't care less. It is fair to say that your best material may well be the stuff you create yourself. But if you're getting booked to perform high quality shows, you'd better be sure your material is up to the mark.
If you haven't come up with enough routines that deliver, and you're a working professional, you will almost certainly be most gratified that you can just go ahead and invest a few hundred dollars for audience-tested and time-proven material.
Put sarcasm and egotism aside: I take my hat off to guys like Scott who is willing to share his hard work. The rewards he receives financially are really not that great, when you consider what Scott can demand for a performance.
I imagine that his greatest reward is in knowing that many others will take his work, develop their own versions of his routines, and that folks around the World are entertained by his original ideas and work.
Potty
Potty the Pirate
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Caliban
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Posted: Jun 19, 2010 7:25pm
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On 2010-06-19 16:47, Potty the Pirate wrote:
It is fair to say that your best material may well be the stuff you create yourself. But if you're getting booked to perform high quality shows, you'd better be sure your material is up to the mark.
If you haven't come up with enough routines that deliver, and you're a working professional, you will almost certainly be most gratified that you can just go ahead and invest a few hundred dollars for audience-tested and time-proven material.
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That's about the most sensible comment on the subject that I've read in this thread.
I remember reading something by Whit Haydn, maybe on this site, about doing 2 acts on a cruise ship. Whit said that his first show is his main act with all his "A" original routines, then, if he has to do a second show for the same audience, he performs some tried and tested routines by others, pretty much as were published. That strikes me as a professional attitude that makes sense.
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Dan Bernier
Inner circle
Canada
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Posted: Jun 19, 2010 8:21pm
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On 2010-06-19 16:47, Potty the Pirate wrote:
There are those creative souls than can create masterpieces, and then there are those that wish they could. Doubtless there are also many who couldn't care less. It is fair to say that your best material may well be the stuff you create yourself. But if you're getting booked to perform high quality shows, you'd better be sure your material is up to the mark.
If you haven't come up with enough routines that deliver, and you're a working professional, you will almost certainly be most gratified that you can just go ahead and invest a few hundred dollars for audience-tested and time-proven material.
Put sarcasm and egotism aside: I take my hat off to guys like Scott who is willing to share his hard work. The rewards he receives financially are really not that great, when you consider what Scott can demand for a performance.
I imagine that his greatest reward is in knowing that many others will take his work, develop their own versions of his routines, and that folks around the World are entertained by his original ideas and work.
Potty
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Well said.
"If you're going to walk in the rain, don't complain about getting wet!"
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Scott Alexander
V.I.P.
874 Posts
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Posted: Jun 21, 2010 11:08pm
That's very true indeed. When I see someone who takes that leap of faith and invests their time and hard earned money in something I've put out there, and makes it their own, it's a really good feeling.
And sure, it's great to get paid, but it's much better to have someone say "Hey, that thing you do is awesome and thank you putting it out there. I get a great reaction with it."
-Scott
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Bob Kohler
Special user
663 Posts
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Posted: Jun 27, 2010 10:59pm
Thanks to everyone who has supported The Blades!
www.bobkohlermagic.com
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mmreed
Inner circle
Harrisburg, PA
1431 Posts
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Posted: Jun 29, 2010 9:06pm
I have to fess up... look back over the posts and you will see that I was very jaded in how I looked at The Blades offering... thinking how could a blades effect that has widely published methods and routines, be tweaked enough to merit such a high price and rigid rights agreement....
but folks, I have to say that I have been digging deep into Scott's other materials and have really shifted my perception. I am finding his material brilliant. Nothing over the top in terms of complexity - everything is focused to be easy to perform while hitting hard in terms of entertainment value to the spectators.
Scott, I eat my words from prior posts and applaud your creations. I have not seen the blades effect first hand yet... but if it continues in the quality of everything else I have digested over the past week - it is solid gold.
Kudos.
Mark Reed aka Marc Mayhem
http://www.marcmayhem.com
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Potty the Pirate
Inner circle
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Posted: Jul 1, 2010 3:16pm
Mmreed - welcome to the Scott Alexander fan club! If you want to find out just how innovative and brilliant this guy is, I highly recommend his "Midnight Show" DVD. Here you will find a collection of simply awesome routines, including a virtually ipromptu "bullet catch", "Shattered", the BEST and FUNNNIEST presentation of "Dean's Box", a brilliant take on the "Water Monte", as well as several other highly commercial routines. Probably the best magic DVD in my collection, and you'll get to see this guy's fabulous stage persona, as well as learning some of the coolest routines in all of magic!
Doug:)
Potty the Pirate
Sussex Magician
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Scott Alexander
V.I.P.
874 Posts
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Posted: Jul 1, 2010 8:06pm
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On 2010-06-29 21:06, mmreed wrote:
Scott, I eat my words from prior posts and applaud your creations. I have not seen the blades effect first hand yet... but if it continues in the quality of everything else I have digested over the past week - it is solid gold.
Kudos.
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That's very nice of you to say. I'm glad you did a little digging. Coming back on this thread and saying something like that really says a lot about your character and integrity. I applaud you.
And yes, in order for me to put something out there, it does have to have a "heart." Something that is entertaining, with simple but effective method that you can rely on under fire. From all the e-mails I have received from customers who have The Blades, as well as the positive reveiws, I know that we have hit that mark again.
As Martha Stewart says..."It's a GOOD thing!"
-Scott
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Scott Alexander
V.I.P.
874 Posts
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Posted: Jul 1, 2010 8:08pm
Doug....Thanks again... I don't even have a FAN PAGE on Facebook, let alone a fan club....haha!!!
-Scott
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insight
Inner circle
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Posted: Jul 12, 2010 4:56pm
This is brilliant thinking!
Regards,
Mike
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Bob Kohler
Special user
663 Posts
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Posted: Jul 20, 2010 4:57pm
I want to thank all of you who have invested in The Blades.
When Scott and I decided to release this product we had high hopes that the professionals would understand and agree with our vision. The Blades is a success for us on all levels.
Scott and I are already working on the next BK Pro Line release which will be out in time for Christmas. It's a routine that I used for years, taught my work to Scott and as usual he's putting his touches to it. It's another killer. This release will be handled exactly as The Blades.
Again, thanks for your support.
www.bobkohlermagic.com
Home of the BK Pro Line
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magicinsight
Inner circle
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Posted: Jul 28, 2010 11:32pm
I just received The Baldes from Mr. Kohler. The DVD has a performance of The Blades by Mr. Alexander before a large audience. It was an extremely well structured and well thought out routine with a lot of comedy mixed in with the inherent danger aspect of the razor blade routine. The routine is simply terrific, entertaining and baffling. Mr. Alexander goes through step by step in meticulous detain of everything you need to know how to prepare for and how to perform this terrific routine. The video production is the highest level as you might expect from Mr. Kohler.
You get everything you need to perform this magnificent routine. Some may balk at the price. But if you want a professional routine meticulously taught by a working professional, I would highly recommend The Blades. It is truly a "packs small, plays big" finale for a show. I highly recommend it.
Best regards,
Michael
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
—Hakim, Loreweaver
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alpha alex
Special user
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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 12:45am
Good luck to bob kohler and scott alexander
both great guys and I wish them well
personally
I rather pay for velocity and own something
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Bob Kohler
Special user
663 Posts
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Posted: Aug 6, 2010 6:05pm
Interesting point of view...
Value is obviously paramount. Getting bang for your buck is the payoff for your investment.
Both Velocity and The Blades are stellar routines from Scott's show. Both routines are used
by professionals all over the world.
As a professional the true value of a professionally produced routine consists of many things.
The age old statement "packs flat, plays big" is important to me. With today's travel constraints
The Blades has a lot to offer. It would be difficult to find a routine that plays as big and pack as small.
I always pay close attention the the audience's reaction to the routine. The Blades is a proven closer.
It's packed with comedy and danger which rivet the audience's attention.
Both routines are basically the same price so the investment is the same.
In the end each of us must decide if it's more important to own property or intellectual property.
www.bobkohlermagic.com
Home of the BK Pro Line
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Mike McEathron
Regular user
Peterborough Ontario Canada
166 Posts
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Posted: Aug 7, 2010 3:38pm
This is an interesting thread...Because Bob and Scott have made the choice to become pioneers in the area of magic distribution, there will be some have difficulty with the new distribution model at BK magic. I would like to look at this from a business stand point how many of the blades do you think they will sell 1000, maybe? If that is the case then they stand to make what 80k after you deduct legal and production fees what are they truly left with...not much given the fee Scott will get paid for his show. When a BK pro line effect is placed in the market place it is done so with the idea that they are for working professionals and not weekend performers. Given that Scott has used this piece in his act for 15 years and has made the difficult choice to allow us the option of using the routine, I think protecting in any manner necessary is perfectly acceptable. I would suggest that with you tube and all the other "exposure" methods out there that this is a sure sign of things to come. I have a number of times emailed Bob and asked questions, he is always straight forward and to the point. I am thinking about the blades as a purchase not because I am a professional, but because I will be apart of an elite few. Bob, Scott, I think that this method of releasing top magic routines is very constant with the times. I only wish Velocity, FA and the mind reading goose as well as all other BK pro line effect had been released the same way...I am sure that this will start the fire storm again but so be it.
This is a working professional routine and he should have the right to protect it in any manner he feels fit. Without these protections many great routines will go to the grave with the perfomer and the art of magic will suffer.
Mike
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Bob Kohler
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Posted: Aug 11, 2010 10:32am
Hi Mike,
Thanks for your comments.I agree with your assessment. To me in many cases the "Information Age" has become the "Too Much Information Age".
Recently I've heard true stories from shows here in Vegas where members of the audience searched YouTube for the solutions to tricks WHILE they are watching the show. I may be wrong but this may take some mystery out of magic.
The demise or the protection of magic is in our hands. It's like Global Warming. The problem exists. The question is will magicians realize it and do something about it before it's too late. In many cases it's already too late.
So we have to take a second to think "who's going to be able to see this?" before we upload video to the web.
The issue of pros developing great material and not publishing it is real. I know many pros who won't even consider putting material on video or making it into a product. This is a direct reaction to the pirates and thieves that either copy or rip-off magic. In physics the law is "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Sometimes the reaction takes awhile...
For those of you that don't think this is a real problem consider this. In 2009 I put 90% of my time into my magic business. In 2010 I'm working on 50% magic related projects and 50% into non-magic related business.
Hunter Thompson's great quote says it best "The magic business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side".
www.bobkohlermagic.com
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Potty the Pirate
Inner circle
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Posted: Aug 11, 2010 11:06am
Hunter Thompson's great quote says it best "The magic business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side".
Brilliant!
Potty the Pirate
Sussex Magician
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lebowski
Veteran user
377 Posts
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Posted: Aug 11, 2010 12:47pm
Bob is your post really saying we will see 50% less magic from your company this year?
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Bob Kohler
Special user
663 Posts
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Posted: Aug 11, 2010 3:07pm
Here's the long answer...
New products that start in our pipeline take different amounts of time to mature. By Christmas everything we're currently working on should be out. So this year is pretty set, but 2011 depends a lot on what happens with our new business models outside of magic.
Mike's post hit home with me because the reality is I haven't released the majority of my personal material yet. So far I've only released two sets of lecture notes, U3F, AITF, Human Phone Number, the Black Envelope and of course The Fitch-Kohler Holdout System. That's it. Most of these were released because the word had leaked out and if I hadn't released them they would have come out by somebody else.
I still have a ton of material I've used professionally but will it ever come out, I really don't know. I've had a blast working with other artists who are all good friends like Bob Fitch, Steve Spill, Scott Alexander, Bob Sheets and everybody else.
But the digital world has basically killed the DVD market. Without a prop that magicians can't make the DVD's are simply ripped, uploaded to bitTorrent and the product dies on the shelves because everybody has it for free within a few weeks of the release.
I'm not the only one who feels this way. My good friend Allan Ackerman has decided to quit publishing his card magic...period! This is a great loss for magicians. Allan has put out a ton of great stuff for decades. No more, it's over. When he saw the numbers of downloads on bitTorrent of his DVD's and found out about the .pdf's with all of his books everywhere he made a decision that it's simply not worth the energy, or the investment of time and money.
Some people complain and worry that the brick and mortar shops my generation grew up loving are fading.
It's true, the shops are fading fast. I think this is a major concern. I also think many of the smartest people I know in magic are looking at other options.
The Blades release is an attempt to put out a product and keep it's integrity intact. So far it's been very successful. Scott and I are planning on at least one more new stage product released the same way by Christmas. After that we'll see...
www.bobkohlermagic.com
Home of the BK Pro Line
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Kamal
Loyal user
253 Posts
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Posted: Aug 13, 2010 7:39pm
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On 2010-08-11 15:07, Bob Kohler wrote:
Scott and I are planning on at least one more new stage product released the same way by Christmas. A
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Fantastic! Any hints on what it might be?
Melbourne Comedy Magician
http://www.kamal.com.au
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Bob Kohler
Special user
663 Posts
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Posted: Aug 15, 2010 3:14pm
Sorry, no hints...
www.bobkohlermagic.com
Home of the BK Pro Line
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Mike McEathron
Regular user
Peterborough Ontario Canada
166 Posts
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Posted: Aug 20, 2010 5:45pm
Ordered...will be here next week...cant wait
Thanks, Bob
Mike
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