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tpax
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Posted: Jul 18, 2010 2:03pm
It is the perfect transposition
Both the $5 and $1 can be borrowed.
Both the $5 and $1 can be examined at the end.
Bills are shown to change in BOTH hands.
Simple description (what the audience sees), you borrow a $1, fold it, remove a $5 from your pocket already folded (or you can borrow a $5, I found the pace better with only borrowing one bill.) - $1 is visible at all times - hands are turned over, turned back, bills have changed places. You can repeat it as often as you like. I am using the BeSwitched routine at the end of my routine (with permission from George Hample!)
Al Cohen thought is was a unique and creative idea when I showed it to him.
Some coin sleights and misdirection are required. Skill level of a 5 is needed. My instructions will be written, simple, and will cover all aspects of the handling.
These are very expensive (constructed with real money) and are complicated to make. Once made, they can easily be replaced/repaired. Additionally I will offer a 5 year replacement warranty. That is, when it is worn/stained from use you send me $20 along with all the materials in the original package and I will send back a new package.
Is there a interest for the perfect $5 to $1 transpo that cost $100 or more?
Remember, a lot of bills are provided with this that can be - god forbid - taken apart and used as real money.
Comments appreciated
Thanks
Tom Paxton
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Sammy J.
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Posted: Jul 18, 2010 5:46pm
I don't know Tom.
The effect sounds nice, but the price sounds pretty high.
I believe John T. Sheet's Atomic Bills sells for around $30.
Not exactly the same effect, but certainly a clean $5 to $1 transpo.
It sounds like you put a lot of work into the construction, and your time is certainly worth compensation.
I guess I would have to see the effect performed to determine it's worth to me.
Best,
Sammy
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John T. Sheets
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Posted: Jul 18, 2010 7:22pm
Hi Tom,
This sounds exactly like something that I had created around 2001. It was released for sale to the magic world in 2005, and is known as the "Atomic Bills". It is available as a single effect with the directions and the gimmick. It is also available on the "Above Top Secret" DVD, along with a variety of different bill effects, handlings, and variations on the gimmicks. The DVD was produced and released by Blacks Magic Group in 2008.
The effect is now slated to be re-shot, and re-released on DVD with additional information, handlings, and effects. The film shoot is scheduled for Aug 23-27th, 2010. It is being produced by Kozmo, of "Reel Magic Quarterly", and distributed by Murphys Magic. I hope that you will do some research to avoid releasing something that has already been done. You may PM me as well.
You may read more about these items by doing a Google search, or on my website here: http://johntsheets.com/catalog.0.html
Thanks.
Magically,
John
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Benji Bruce
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Posted: Jul 18, 2010 8:16pm
Yup this sound like John's Atomic Bills (which is amazing btw). Maybe you should post a video on it and talk to John about your method.
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tpax
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Posted: Jul 18, 2010 10:52pm
Hi John
I have "Above Top Secret" and watched "Atomic Bills". We share some of the same ideas and handlings however there are big differences.
My version shows a 1/4 of the bill.
I can switch between a $5 and $1 at will.
Both bills can be borrowed and can be shown at any time.
My version can be done with a signed bill.
My design is different then yours. Mine is more complicated which increases the skills needed to perform with it. I designed this for a lot of flexability in presentation, for creative people like you.
In researching this I spent time with Al Cohen and heard the story of how BeSwitched came to be. Al and George Hample have been friends for many years. In the 80's (not 100% on the dates)Al had been marketing a $1 to $5 bill transpo using only 1/8 of the bill. George came up with the idea of the 1/4 of a bill on the original beswitched gimmick after using Al's original gimmick. Al was shocked at the difference in presentation and BeSwitched soon became one of his best sellers. He credits it to the 1/4 bill size as it looked natural, like you would pull out of your pocket.
I'll post a demo soon
Tom
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Bill Hegbli
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Posted: Aug 6, 2010 4:24pm
I would have to say that $100 for a bill transformation is effect is way to high. Remember, a Silver, Copper, Brass is half that price and a killer effect. A transformation is a Transformation to a layman, weither it be knives, coins, poker chips or whatever.
Maybe if you have the bills printed you can make it cheaper. Remember those quarter bill business cards that was popular several years ago. They look really real. Al Cohen's bill transpo used fake bill gimmicks, maybe you could go that route to reduce costs.
What also puzzles me is you say you can borrow the bills, and yet you need special gimmicked bills. That must mean a switch in and out of the real bills, that is beyond most novice people doing magic on the Café, and thus would hinder sales at any price. That is how I interperate your discription, sorry if I am wrong.
Additionally, maybe you could sell a manuscript or DVD and have the purchaser make the bills themselves. Again, though that does leave out a lot of the members that do not like to make their own props.
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markmiller
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Posted: Aug 6, 2010 7:27pm
Tom post a video so we can see what you're talking about.
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daffydoug
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Posted: Aug 12, 2010 2:13pm
Many of us have a bunch of bill switches. I have probably a half dozen my self, so I would guess it's gonna be a hard sell for you. But a vid can never hurt.
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tpax
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Columbia, Maryland
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Posted: Aug 13, 2010 9:05pm
Instructions have been written, now I have to see if people understand them!
Daffy is correct, there are a lot of effects out there that do almost he same thing. I do need a video. As I'm over 50 videos and youtube are a new world ....
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John Long
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Posted: Aug 14, 2010 9:43pm
After reading the descriptions, tpax's effect sounds just like Atomic Bills, which sounds just like Eugene's Last Dollar, which sounds essentially like Arthur Lloyd's modification to Grant's Slow Motion Bill Transposition (the latter two are both in Tarbell 3)
All nice effects, but I don't see why someone would pay $100 for this effect. I considered Burger's effect just to get his handling (I like his presentations), but decided I could/should just work with the Lloyd's modifiction.
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daffydoug
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Posted: Aug 14, 2010 11:47pm
Maybe lower it to $75?
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danmarimba123
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Posted: Aug 15, 2010 1:10pm
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On 2010-08-06 16:24, wmhegbli wrote:
I would have to say that $100 for a bill transformation is effect is way to high. Remember, a Silver, Copper, Brass is half that price and a killer effect. A transformation is a Transformation to a layman, weither it be knives, coins, poker chips or whatever.
Maybe if you have the bills printed you can make it cheaper. Remember those quarter bill business cards that was popular several years ago. They look really real. Al Cohen's bill transpo used fake bill gimmicks, maybe you could go that route to reduce costs.
What also puzzles me is you say you can borrow the bills, and yet you need special gimmicked bills. That must mean a switch in and out of the real bills, that is beyond most novice people doing magic on the Café, and thus would hinder sales at any price. That is how I interperate your discription, sorry if I am wrong.
Additionally, maybe you could sell a manuscript or DVD and have the purchaser make the bills themselves. Again, though that does leave out a lot of the members that do not like to make their own props.
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I couldn't have said it better....
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tpax
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Columbia, Maryland
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Posted: Aug 15, 2010 7:11pm
In a copper silver brass you cannot borrow the coins. And to a layperson, when the objects that transform are theirs, that's powerful.
I wouldn't say there was a switch involved but there are gimmicks. It should be puzzling as it is a new design/concept. It is a unique's method that is nothing like Atomic Bills, which I own and have reviewed recently.
It is designed for a competent magician. I'll find out how simple when I get into testing.
The BeSwitched that I got from Al 20 years ago was in real money. I still have it.
I am considering a manuscript however the gimmicks are not simple to make. It's a tough call. When I had lunch with Al Cohen he said to supply gimmicks already made. Denny Haney suggested a manuscript. I'm thinking about offering both. There are special, hard to locate materials used for the construction of the gimmicks and the sizing needs to be exact.
Materials cost is $25. As it's hard to borrow fake money so I need to use real bills. Most of the materials cost can be redeemed as the missing pieces are supplied. As bills will wear out there are instructions on replacing the gimmicks using the original as a template. I'm also going to provide discounted replacements if all the pieces are sent back.
I'm thinking that is doable. The real price around $75 (because you have real money in the gimmicks that you can reuse)
I'm trying to do this right and I'm months away from selling these. It all depends on the testing. Thanks for the input Daffy and Bill, it was helpful.
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lunatik
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Posted: Aug 15, 2010 11:53pm
It definitely sounds interesting. I have Atomic Bills and Cool Cash which I love both! if I can ask you, what is the advantage of using your gimmicks as opposed to an Atomic Bills gimmick? thanks again, I'd like to hear more details about this!
Rich
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John T. Sheets
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Posted: Aug 16, 2010 1:09am
Also, you may want to check out a version by Ed Andres, which uses a bill folded in 1/4th, and uses a "spring" type of gimmick. I can't say too much, as I don't want to expose it.
Also, you CAN have the bills signed with the Atomic bills.
Magically,
John
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lunatik
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Posted: Aug 16, 2010 1:36pm
I have Ed andres version it's cery quick but I prefer Cool Cash and Atomic Bills personally
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daffydoug
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Posted: Aug 20, 2010 10:01am
Atomic bills sounds cool. I had heard of it but never looked into it. But the name catches my attention.
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lunatik
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Posted: Aug 20, 2010 4:33pm
Daffy, I think you will love atomic bills. If I were u, I'd wait for John Sheets to possibly release another DVD that has that and 4 other bill effects, they eill be awesome!!
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Jonathan Townsend
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Posted: Aug 21, 2010 10:39pm
I'm wary of coin type handlings done will bills. If you fold the bill more than once - especially if you introduce a bill that's already creased... seems too contrived for my tastes.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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tpax
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Columbia, Maryland
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Posted: Aug 21, 2010 11:34pm
Hi All,
Just got back from the MAES convention where I had a chance to demo to Marc DeSouza. Marc said that my design is new and unique. He gave me some great ideas in regards to production and format. (Thanks Marc!)
I have sent a copy of my item to John Sheets and Bill Hegbli and await their comments/review. I think they will smile when they see what I've sent.
I also met George Hample (the creator of BeSwitched) at MAES. Most magicians haven't heard of George. It's a shame as he is one creative guy. He offered a lot of good advice and encouragement. It was the highlight of my trip to spend time with him.
Atomic Bills is a nice effect. The DVD is well made and John does a good job explaining how to make and present his gimmick(s). Mine is a completly different design.
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animation
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Posted: Aug 22, 2010 3:19pm
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On 2010-08-21 22:39, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
I'm wary of coin type handlings done will bills. If you fold the bill more than once - especially if you introduce a bill that's already creased... seems too contrived for my tastes.
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Seems pretty logical to me since the spectator has to put the money in their hands
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daffydoug
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Posted: Sep 2, 2010 6:48pm
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On 2010-08-20 16:33, lunatik wrote:
Daffy, I think you will love atomic bills. If I were u, I'd wait for John Sheets to possibly release another DVD that has that and 4 other bill effects, they eill be awesome!!
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I will keep that in mind! In fact, I'll jot it down on my legal pad where I keep ideas about effects I'd like to purchase.
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bwarren3
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Posted: Sep 2, 2010 7:10pm
Tom,
There should be plenty of guys in either the Maryland or Northern Va area that can help you post a video of the effect only, like Eric Henning. Once you get just a video demo posted then you'll be able to tell how much interest you have in people buying the effect.......Even Al could have helped you get it together...
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tpax
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Columbia, Maryland
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Posted: Sep 2, 2010 10:29pm
Don't need a video if I don't have a product. I have changed directions and will provide templates, hard to find parts, and instructions. I have sent a handfull of copies out to see if the gimmicks can be made by the average magician. Actually, I need to see if my directions can be followed. This has been the hardest part!
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Sammy J.
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Posted: Sep 2, 2010 11:05pm
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On 2010-08-20 16:33, lunatik wrote:
Daffy, I think you will love atomic bills. If I were u, I'd wait for John Sheets to possibly release another DVD that has that and 4 other bill effects, they eill be awesome!!
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lunatik,
Every time I see your posts you look so relaxed on that couch.
I want that kind of peace.
Will you be at MITR next week? I will.
Sammy
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lunatik
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Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:20pm
Hey Sammy! Yeah I love that couch!! Im not attending this year as there seemed to be too many changes! Probably will be up next year!
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lunatik
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Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:21pm
Any reviews from the 2 that received a pre-view copy?
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toph
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Posted: Sep 5, 2010 8:07pm
Very interesting tpax. I'm looking forward to what JTS thinks! Your effect sounds like a winner.
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tpax
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Columbia, Maryland
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Posted: Sep 6, 2010 10:48am
Hi everyone,
Update to where I'm at. Many suggested bringing the price down by providing instructions only. This is the direction I'm heading. The gimmicks require accurate sizing so I decided to provide templates for all the bills as well as all the materials needed except the money. You will need rubber cement, razor, that kind of stuff.
After working on this for so long I've come to realize it's more then a $5 to $1 transpo. What I designed is a gimmick I'm calling "The Bill Shell." It will require no switches as the borrowed bill becomes part of the gimmick. I use a simple $5 to $1 transposition to explain how to operate the gimmicks, but it can do so much more. No routines are provided.
The only "Routine" I plan on making available is "BeSwitched" using these gimmicks. George Hample has given me permission to use his handling's. I did not include this in my instructions, it will be available at a later date.
Writing the instructions is MUCH harder then I imagined. I have sent samples to a lot of magicians of different skill levels and have received a lot of feed back. Most of it is "I can't understand what you are trying to say". I've done over twenty edits and think it now can be followed easily. I am looking for a few more moderately skilled magicians to help me by seeing if they can build and operate this. PM if interested. I will send everyone that received the first mailing a new set of instructions/materials as well.
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John T. Sheets
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Posted: Sep 8, 2010 7:58pm
Hi,
I did receive the review copy. I'm currently just waiting to get the new directions, then I'll post some thoughts on it. 
Magically,
John
www.johntsheets.com
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