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truesoldier
Inner circle
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Posted: Sep 4, 2010 12:02pm
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On 2010-09-03 17:06, Chris Cain wrote:
I must admit that I haven't seen half of the packet tricks already mentioned. Of the ones I have seen, Tommy Wonder's Tamed Cards stands out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5kxUuO5JZo
Great presentation, well thought out and entertaining to watch.
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This is a great presentation of the Wild Card Routine
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DelMagic
Veteran user
339 Posts
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Posted: Sep 4, 2010 7:18pm
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On 2010-09-04 10:24, Paul wrote:
The latest variation, and improvememt on that, is John Bannon's "Royal Scam", which will also give you the better cards you always wished for.. 
Paul.
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Thank you. I am not familiar with that effect but I will look into it.
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dave
Inner circle
1651 Posts
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Posted: Sep 5, 2010 11:10am
I like "A Night out with the girls" and "What Your Future Holds, these do not use playing cards, so right there , to layman it is not a card trick, and each one is geared direct to a male or female, if you’re not familiar, Girls night is where you show several pictures of beautiful woman, mix them and the spec chooses anyone, you place his choice face down for now, show all the babes again and I say, you could have had anyone of them, let’s see who you chose, and it's an old ugly hag. And for the "What your Future Holds" this is for woman and you show all the cards with things that may happen in the future, by choosing one, this is what will come true, all the future predictions are different, and when she picks one, it reads," You will make love to a clown" and when she looks up, you are wearing a red sponge nose, I have made up a set to read, " There is no time for Clowning Around" I found some married men and jealous boyfriends did not appreciate the first one, Both are extremely easy and a lot of fun.
I also have and use, the smaller cardiographic, I have a thermometer on my business card, I have it signed then I have a woman put her hands together above the cards and rub, when nothing happens, I ask that she move her hands below the cards as everyone knows heat rises, I say , keep rubbing and watch the thermometer, I don’t say watch the cards, and you can see the temp rise, then I hand her the card to keep.
For those who read all this and got this far, here is a fun one you can make in one minute and use it in two minutes, This is not my idea and I am sorry I do not remember where I got it from. I have another stack of business cards set up in the OTL, I draw a simple oval shape balloon and I ask , has anyone ever seen those guys who can whip a real balloon in to any shape or animal, and someone always says yes, so I ask , I would like to make a balloon animal, watch this, I remove the signed card , pocket the other stack of cards and make a lot of swishing sounds and move my hands around the card as if twisting it, then turn it around to show a drawing of a balloon dog.
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Simon Lovell
V.I.P.
463 Posts
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Posted: Sep 5, 2010 11:28am
Dave,
Oddly enough I often use Rich Marotta's What Your Future Holds but always do it on the biggest guy in the audience. I found that doing it that way is much funnier and takes any possible embarassment/pressure off the ladies in an audience.
Rich nearly died laughing when we were working together once and I borrowed his pre-release version of the effect to do on the NYC Chief of Police in front of many of his top ranking officers. He said when I started that he didn't know whether to call me a lawyer or an ambulance but it turned out great.
He also filmed me doing it on a guy at my Strange and Unusual Hobbies show (still running and soon to enter its 7th year!) and put it up as an ad for the effect on one of the internet sites (Youtube or something like that)if you want to see my routine with it. Don't ask me for the link ... I don't know it!
It is a great trick with tons of fun and a nice unexpected surprise at the end.
Just my ten cents as per usual!
Simon
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vinsmagic
Inner circle
sleeping with the fishes...
8676 Posts
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Posted: Sep 22, 2010 4:28pm
For me the best packet trick using four cards is Jon Allen's Double back.
This statement is not quite true but the effect is very powerful it happens in specs hands.
vinny
Come check out my magic.
http://www.vinnymarini.com
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blu tiger
New user
67 Posts
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Posted: Oct 1, 2010 10:33am
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On 2010-08-30 23:10, sohaib wrote:
The reason I want to start this thread is I saw Alex Elmsley's Dazzle last night on The Tahoe Sessions and I was blown away! |
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Does that trick use the Dazzle Count? I learned it recently but only know one trick where I use it: Johhny Thompson's version of the Biddle Trick.
But my favortie packet trick right now is probably Gemini Twins. Or a version I do of J.C. Wagners Twisted Underground Transposition.
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Roger Kelly
Inner circle
Kent, England
3313 Posts
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Posted: Oct 3, 2010 10:25am
Not sure about 'best' (for similar reasons well articulated above) but 'FAVE' for me, and I'll go along with Pepka's great 'categorisation';
Cat 1: French Twist - Richard Vollmer
Cat 2: Twisted Sisters - John Bannon - just edges out Trik Kards by Nick Trost
Wenger MUST go!
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kerpa
Special user
Michael Miller
593 Posts
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Posted: Oct 15, 2010 2:42pm
I like Backflip, by Sam Schwartz.
Michael Miller
(Michael Merlin: original family --and stage-- name)
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Dougini
Inner circle
I have killed more topics with my
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Posted: Oct 15, 2010 3:13pm
Ya know members, this question really has me thinking...what criteria qualifies a packet trick to be "the best"? I was up a good portion of the night, trying to think of a fair answer to a question. A simple question asked by Sallymagi, in The Feminine Mystique section: "How would a girl become the best?"
And the answer I came up with is: "...practice, and strive to be the BEST you can BE!"
The answer to, What is "Best Packet Trick Of All Time"? I would say, the one YOU do BEST! There is no "All Time". New ones are constantly being created. and, the variations, combinations, gaffs etc.. Plus, the number of successful ones, NFW, Color Monte, Twisted Sisters, BackFlip. Oh, and the book, "Focus"! How can we judge which is "best"? Owww, my brain hurts. 'Nuff said...
Doug
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Mr. Mystoffelees
Inner circle
I haven't changed anyone's opinion in
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Posted: Oct 15, 2010 5:54pm
My fav is Darwin O's Jumping Gemini, followed by the Asher twist...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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55john55
Regular user
129 Posts
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Posted: Oct 16, 2010 9:02am
This may belong in another forum but will include it here because it came up in one of the posts here. The word "best" by definition means there can be only one. However, I suggest that there are two meanings of the word best. So, I'll tell a short story. When I was young I wondered who the best baseball player was. When I grew up I had Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, and Hank Aaron among others to choose from and found it impossible to decide. Eventually I decided there was another definition to "best". It means that in any area there are a few who stand out so far above the rest that we call them "the best", and although there are very few, there are, in fact, more than one. Galileo, Newton, Einstein, were the all the best in the the area of science. Mozart, and Michael Jordon were the best in their respective areas even though there are a few others who were also "the best" in the same areas.
So twisted sisters can be the "best" , but so can a number of others. They stand head and shoulders above the rest.
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Mr. Mystoffelees
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I haven't changed anyone's opinion in
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Posted: Oct 16, 2010 10:30pm
No disagreement that sometimes "best" is plural, like "what are the best restaurants in Chicago". But, the OP was clear in asking what you thought was THE best...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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marlyd
New user
10 Posts
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Posted: Oct 17, 2010 5:53am
Hi all,
What about Marked for Life by John Cornelius I have a feeling it's going to be a classic.
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Jon Allen
V.I.P.
England
1329 Posts
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Posted: Dec 4, 2010 9:23am
Here's a quote from Dean Dill:
"Double Back is my favorite packet trick of all time"
You can check it out for yourself here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUn7PPBb0tE
Watch the brilliant new effect, Rule of Three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CytuXsCbL0 and order it from www.onlinemagicshop.co.uk
Order the bar-raising DVD set 'Connection' at www.onlinemagicshop.co.uk
Flexion: the new key bending routine that takes this effect to a whole new level! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBsa8sQdqzQ
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afinemesh
Inner circle
In Sebastopol, Ca. on a fence built with
1543 Posts
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Posted: Dec 8, 2010 11:21pm
Hey guys,
What about Daryl's "Cardboard Chameleons"? I've been doing this one for about fifteen years.
Never fails to charm the leity.
Jorey
"I've always been mental, I'm sure of it" Boris Pocus 
"Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny". . .Bruce Springsteen
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panlives
Inner circle
2088 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2010 8:52am
My current favourite is “Twilight Angels.”
B’Wave, as mentioned, kills.
"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
"The dog did nothing in the night-time."
"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.
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zipper
New user
91 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2010 1:24pm
This is an interesting thread, and I find all the comments both enjoyable and valuable. I am not familiar with the all the packet tricks out and about, nor am I even familiar with all the packet tricks referred to on this post. Two of the aformentioned tricks, however, are go-to tricks for me, the wild card and dirty deal. I am familiar with the effects of many of the packet tricks mentioned although I don't do them myself (e.g., B'wave; Twilight Angels; Double Back). I have trouble convincing myself that any packet tricks are on par with Dirty Deal or Wild Card. Packet tricks where, for example, cards switch places, or those in which a mentally chosen card is magically produced, are less baffling than amusing. What makes wild card so impressive and convincing, despite the fact that it can be monotonous, is that the cards are seemingly shown in a fair and open way and they are then all changed to cards of a different suit and value. Watch the reaction of Wonder's audience to his wild card, certainly not as technically challening as Vallarino's, and you will see the jaws drop. I can't imagine receiving the same reaction from other packet tricks on the market (e.g., color monte, B'wave, NFW, double back). The attraction of dirty deal, to me, is even greater than wild card. Dirty Deal has a nice patter (about being a gambling man), shows several mini-climaxes (cards change color several times), and then, when the trick seems to be over, it has a major climax, one that is dramatic and inexplicable. None of the other packet tricks that I have done over the years even come close. My two cents worth.
Zipper
P.S. I do have one other packet trick that I bought from a Cincinnati dealer long ago for $1.00 (marked down from $3.00). It's name was something circus cards. Performer has ace through 4 and magically reverses each card one at a time (along the lines of each card doing a circus trick, comparable to rotating the aces). The final climax comes when all four cards change to being different colors (e.g., 4 is red, 3 is yellow, etc.). It got incredible reactions for the reasons mentioned: It has a nice story, several mini-climaxes, and one major climax, making the trick dramatic and totally inexplicable, which makes it memorable to audiences. It was also fun to do.
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panlives
Inner circle
2088 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2010 2:56pm
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On 2010-12-09 13:24, zipper wrote:
This is an interesting thread, and I find all the comments both enjoyable and valuable. I am not familiar with the all the packet tricks out and about, nor am I even familiar with all the packet tricks referred to on this post. Two of the aformentioned tricks, however, are go-to tricks for me, the wild card and dirty deal. I am familiar with the effects of many of the packet tricks mentioned although I don't do them myself (e.g., B'wave; Twilight Angels; Double Back). I have trouble convincing myself that any packet tricks are on par with Dirty Deal or Wild Card. Packet tricks where, for example, cards switch places, or those in which a mentally chosen card is magically produced, are less baffling than amusing. What makes wild card so impressive and convincing, despite the fact that it can be monotonous, is that the cards are seemingly shown in a fair and open way and they are then all changed to cards of a different suit and value. Watch the reaction of Wonder's audience to his wild card, certainly not as technically challening as Vallarino's, and you will see the jaws drop. I can't imagine receiving the same reaction from other packet tricks on the market (e.g., color monte, B'wave, NFW, double back). The attraction of dirty deal, to me, is even greater than wild card. Dirty Deal has a nice patter (about being a gambling man), shows several mini-climaxes (cards change color several times), and then, when the trick seems to be over, it has a major climax, one that is dramatic and inexplicable. None of the other packet tricks that I have done over the years even come close. My two cents worth.
Zipper
P.S. I do have one other packet trick that I bought from a Cincinnati dealer long ago for $1.00 (marked down from $3.00). It's name was something circus cards. Performer has ace through 4 and magically reverses each card one at a time (along the lines of each card doing a circus trick, comparable to rotating the aces). The final climax comes when all four cards change to being different colors (e.g., 4 is red, 3 is yellow, etc.). It got incredible reactions for the reasons mentioned: It has a nice story, several mini-climaxes, and one major climax, making the trick dramatic and totally inexplicable, which makes it memorable to audiences. It was also fun to do.
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Tommy Wonder was great, but the audience reaction you are seeing is regrettably from a “canned” crowd.
That identical audience recurs in many videos made by the same manufacturer and they were/are either paid or otherwise encouraged to overreact.
Too bad, because Mr. Wonder was a genius who didn’t need pre-ordained reactions.
"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
"The dog did nothing in the night-time."
"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.
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vinsmagic
Inner circle
sleeping with the fishes...
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Posted: Dec 9, 2010 3:00pm
I use Jons double back with my business cards and I agree with dean .
I also said it was the best trick of the year when it first came out
vinny
Come check out my magic.
http://www.vinnymarini.com
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zipper
New user
91 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2010 3:28pm
Panlives,
Wow, color me naive. Thanks for the heads-up on what the deal was with Wonder's audience. I expect this kind of stuff on the shopping channel but hoped magic was free from it. I guess not. As you said, it's a shame because it is unnecessary with this particular performer and trick.
Zipper
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Magic Patrick
Inner circle
1266 Posts
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Posted: Dec 10, 2010 9:09am
NFW is my favorite packet trick, although I am relooking at my presto printo as of late.
Patrick
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zipper
New user
91 Posts
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Posted: Dec 10, 2010 3:07pm
Magic Folks,
Two things from me. First, I just checked, and the packet trick to which I referred in my earlier post is named Pasteboard Circus by Master Magic. It was a pleasant surprise and a great packet trick due to its patter line, method of operation, and dramatic effect at least to lay audiences). Also, it was hard to beat the price. Second, I've been working with NFW (principally due to the rave reviews some of you have given it), and I just don't get all the accolades. Practically everything about it strikes me as clumsy (though I am willing to admit that I may be the one at fault and not the trick). It is not the overall effect that bothers me: The manipulation of 4 cards with their eventual transformation into something else is both common and impressive. It is how the effect is achieved with this set of cards. I don't see how you can hide the gimmick on a face-up card(if it can be called that), keeping it in plain sight, as you are instructed to do in the directions. The count in which you are supposed to show four jokers individually also seems ill-advised. What spectator other than the visually challenged is going to believe that one card has been kicked into the hand when it's really four?. I guess if you have spectators who are willing to believe that four jokers have been counted instead of two, they will also believe that four jokers have changed into four aces. I'm sure that NFW works for those of you who use it, but I can't imagine that it would be selected as the "best" with all the problems that I have found with it (or better than all the other packet tricks that are availabel to us). If you want to show audiences that you have the ability to change cards magically, why not do the mental photography deck and show them that you can print and unprint an entire deck in a heartbeat? (I'm not even going to comment on the requirement in NFW of counting smoothly and convincingly when the "gimmick" can easily do something with an adjacent card that it is not supposed to do, ruining the illusion from the get-go.)
Maybe instead of voting on the "best" packet trick, we should try to reach some agreement on what makes a packet trick (or any other trick) good or bad (or at least why experienced magicians would disagree so much on which ones to define as best or worst).
Zipper
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Magic Patrick
Inner circle
1266 Posts
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Posted: Dec 10, 2010 3:18pm
Zipper,
Great points. However, I have no problems with NFW as you stated in your last comment. I will explain. Instead of the Gimmick, I use Zig 2 way glue and is is transparent to the spectators eyes. I sometimes have to touch it to make sure it is still on. I start off by saying that I have 4 Jokers. I don't say all face up. I just say 4 jokers. I then tell them before I do any counts that one is the leader and the others will follow. Then I do the count. The one face down I call attention to and say that it is the leader. I then do another count and there are 2 face down. I then tell them that one followed. Then I count them off to show 2 up and 2 down. I then take the bottom card and turn it over non magicaly activating the gimmick and then as I spread out the cards I explain that they all have turn upside down. I then tell them that they all left and now all I have is four 5's. I always get great reactions. It is a killer packet routine. I do like many others like color monty, stand up monty, visible monty, Wild cards, Duplicity and the list goes on but they all have their problems and limitations. It really comes down to personal preference on this one. Which is it that you prefer. That is the best to you.
Patrick
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zipper
New user
91 Posts
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Posted: Dec 10, 2010 5:29pm
Patrick,
Thanks for the information on NFW. I will get some Zig 2 and give the trick another chance, following your sage counsel. I may like it better without having to worry about the gimmick. I still can't imagine, however, that it will have the impact that Dirty Deal does.
Magical things,
Zipper
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Erdnase27
Inner circle
2360 Posts
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Posted: Dec 11, 2010 5:09am
Ambitious classic, Twisting the Aces and Daley's last trick are most used by me so they are "my best".
"He must be content to rank with the common herd." - S.W. Erdnase
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Magic Patrick
Inner circle
1266 Posts
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Posted: Dec 11, 2010 9:22am
Zipper,
You may be right. It all depends on the audience you are performing for. I remember I got a trick called in a flash and thought that it was the end all be all and performed it at a dinner party for older people and it flopped. Then recently I performed it at a movie theater and everyone liked it. There are so many awesome effects out there and one shouldn't be better than another but it is all about who is performing it and to whom they are performing it.
MichielTummers said it perfect above.
Good luck Zipper.
Patrick
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Roger Kelly
Inner circle
Kent, England
3313 Posts
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Posted: Dec 11, 2010 9:41am
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On 2010-12-04 09:23, Jon Allen wrote:
Here's a quote from Dean Dill:
"Double Back is my favorite packet trick of all time"
You can check it out for yourself here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUn7PPBb0tE
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Jon - was that you performing it? A spooky coincidence - but Claire (one of your spectators) is a colleague from my office. I could hardly believe it when I saw the clip!
Wenger MUST go!
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panlives
Inner circle
2088 Posts
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Posted: Dec 12, 2010 1:08pm
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On 2010-12-09 15:28, zipper wrote:
Panlives,
Wow, color me naive. Thanks for the heads-up on what the deal was with Wonder's audience. I expect this kind of stuff on the shopping channel but hoped magic was free from it. I guess not. As you said, it's a shame because it is unnecessary with this particular performer and trick.
Zipper
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Hyperbole and Magic advertising...a long and sordid history that has stung many a newcomer and veteran alike.
Please do not feel naive. Deceptive marketing continues to get grift from even the most experienced Magis.
"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
"The dog did nothing in the night-time."
"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.
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Jon Allen
V.I.P.
England
1329 Posts
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Posted: Dec 12, 2010 2:08pm
Hi Roger. Yes, that is me. Now I feel compelled to say that no stooges were used during the filming of this trailer She is also on the trailer for Flexion. Ask her if she still has the bent key.
Watch the brilliant new effect, Rule of Three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CytuXsCbL0 and order it from www.onlinemagicshop.co.uk
Order the bar-raising DVD set 'Connection' at www.onlinemagicshop.co.uk
Flexion: the new key bending routine that takes this effect to a whole new level! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBsa8sQdqzQ
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voh002
Elite user
415 Posts
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Posted: Dec 12, 2010 3:09pm
Twisted Sisters - John Bannon
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