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pkg
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Posted: Sep 23, 2010 8:14am
I finally got my trinity system and was "spoiled" with a spool of stripped Legacy Thread to try it out.
The Trinity System has been reviewed over and over again, it is a great device, it helps getting the job right for the clumsy ones (me!) Sebashtion mentions on the dvd that someone didn't like the color of the system, I have to agree with that person for ONE reason, a white finish would've been easier for the eyes to see the thread, that's about the only downside to it.
As for the tying process, if you can count to 10, you can tie it. The first couple of tries took me a few minutes just to get the tension and length right, after that the system itself became a measuring unit for me, whoever has the DVD will know what I mean.
There are 1001 ways out there to tie wrist hoops, and again, for someone like me who has trouble tying them and always ends up with "afro hair" like wrist hoops, this system helps a lot. I am finally able to tie wrist hoops/loops/bands/circles that fit MY wrist with no afro hair on it! This is one of the greatest advantages for me!
Amateur or a professional, it will save time and cost.
For the dvd content, it's all clear, detailed, everything has been covered and credited.
Now, for the Legacy thread. SO FAR (I am still in the process of trying various settings/routines to test it out) It is hands down stronger, sturdier from what is available out there, stretches even more than the rest without losing tension.
To be fair, I tied loops using Mesika's Elastic thread and Legacy Thread, here's the verdict:
haunted deck looks more stable (5-6 times using the same band of Legacy Thread, didn't break yet, 3 runs with Mesika's and ADIEU!),
VCR: 9 runs (i am baffled) with Legacy, 4 runs with Mesika's
Now out of the LOOP context:
Poker chips slides faster, boomerang card routine works flawlessly (Yes Yigal provides another type of elastics with the instructions, I just used the Legacy Thread, a few tries so far and it didn't break and didn't cut thru the wax BUT I am using two strands and it still is invisible)
As with anything and everything, it all comes down to your personal preferences, in a head to head comparison the Legacy Thread is my weapon of choice. And this is coming from an amateur.
Double posters should be shot!
No really!!
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paisa23
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Posted: Sep 23, 2010 12:52pm
Thanks for the Review, I too am amazed and truly love my Trinity and the Legacy Thread is superb.
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Sebashtion H.
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Posted: Sep 23, 2010 4:31pm
Thank you for the great review PKG....
and thank you PAISA23.
we are coming up soon on the release of Legacy Thread, we are waiting on the Labels for Legacy..... Legacy is in and ready to go....
PKG the boomerang card, is this the same as humming bird card? we tested out Legacy on one strand doing this, and had no issues in till our studio cat decided that she wanted the card, snatched it, and ran with it, it stretched about 6ft before breaking, but it was funny.....
we also have a blog that we are posting updates on as we go, I have posts up there for this and soon all our products....
no need to sign up just bookmark it....
thank you guys again for the really kind words...
Sebashtion H
Sebashtion H.
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pkg
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The City of Ithobaal I son of Hiram I
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Posted: Sep 24, 2010 2:16am
Hey Sebashtion,
you actually shoot the card out and it comes back flying to your hand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAcFoQmzk3k
Double posters should be shot!
No really!!
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Sebashtion H.
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Posted: Sep 24, 2010 11:18pm
OK .... forgot about Yigal's effect......
will have to test that out when I get back to the studio tomorrow night...
sebashtion H.
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Sebashtion H.
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Posted: Sep 25, 2010 2:31am
Proof for the final Legacy label will be in on wensday..
Cannot wait... Thread is being spooled..... Legacy Thread is coming!!!
Over 300 ft of IET for your tying pleasure.....
We are going to blow out a sale for the release of Legacy......
More to come soon, keep an eye on the blog....
Sebashtion H.
Sebashtion H.
Start Your Legacy!!!
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MagicMattMan
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Tampa, FL
538 Posts
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Posted: Sep 29, 2010 12:49am
So as one of the original owners of the Trinity System to tie my elliptical elastics, Sub Divided Studios has always kept me updated about their products, and they have certainly come a long way over these past few years. I am highly grateful for the late night chats about this or about that with Sebashtion H. over at SDS. It was exciting when they updated the Trinity System a while back and they got in touch with me to receive the update, which by the way was very superb. However, the latest update is the best ever- it does not affect the Trinity, but rather the invisible elastic thread! Past orders of Trinity were sent Infinity Thread, which was way better then what has been on the market. Unfortunately, Infinity Thread was retired which made SDS scramble to develop their own thread for the Trinity System. As one of their most loyal customers (self-assumed title), I was asked to beta test a thread that took a little over a year to produce- and that’s where the Legacy began!
I am proud to introduce to my magical brethren, Subdivided Studios’ new “Legacy” thread. It is truly here to stay! After weeks of playing around with it, comparing it to the usual magic shop threads, and then using it in my routines, I have established it as my new thread for my elliptical elastics. Sure, we all grew up with Meiska’s loops, which props to him for getting us re-interested in thread work; it was not the ultimate solution as it is quite annoying to go through a pack a week of his product for performances. Several methods have been made as a replacement to tie your own, but once again this is where Trinity triumphed.
Like I said, Trinity came with Infinity, which was like gold compared to the usual Meiska thread or any standard invisible thread found in magic shops. I have gotten great use out of the Trinity and Infinity not expecting any better. But now there is better! “Legacy” is the toughest IET that I have ever used! Naked to the human eye unstripped and naked to the technological eye stripped, Legacy allows the best visual performance of Haunted Deck, Spirit Pack, Hummingbird Card, and anything else you’re inclined to do with IET bands.
As I was playing around with it, it beefed up my favorite IET routine, “VCR” by Justin Miller (which I learned from Trinity). In it, you cause a single card to vertically rise from a deck standing up, leaning against your card box. Sometimes when I perform it, I like to try to snap my wrist to try to make it spin out of the deck and snatch it. That could only be done with a newer band or else it’d break (which you know is normal, my thread buddies) But with a Legacy made band, I was able to “pull” it out, make it spin, and snatch it in the air multiple times without Legacy thread flinching. It held up for over 50 performances in a row before it was even stretched out! Very, very strong!
To goof off with the elasticity of it, I set up a hummingbird card, which I like using elastic thread for to have more of a bounce back effect with it floating in the air. I was teasing my cat by having it hover over their head, only to have it snap back to my hand before she could grab it. Best laughs ever! Eventually she was able to pin it to the ground with her paw, but the thread didn’t break, and so when she lifted up her paw, it came back to me!
I could go on and on about how I aggressively abused Legacy trying it with bills, coins (a half dollar!), pens, forks, etc. It held up to everything. However, Legacy is not car proof! What broke my elliptical elastic was catching my wrist on the car door! Otherwise, Legacy lasts beyond any other IET band until it was old and gave out.
So guys, two TTs up for Legacy and 10/10 stars.
Please improve your thread work and start a "Legacy" today!
-Matthew Miller
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not, none will suffice." -Joseph Dunninger
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paisa23
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Posted: Sep 29, 2010 2:11pm
AWESOME AWESOME REVIEW!!!
June 22 2012 9:02 AM baby Usnavi was born!
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Sebashtion H.
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Posted: Sep 30, 2010 10:54am
We are excited that you guys like Legacy!!!!! We are gearing up for the release of this great IET....... We are going to blow out a nice sale for the release.... we are looking at the first of OCT for the release.....
We are going to offer buy one 300ft spool get one free, and buy 5 spools and get a free Trinity system!!!!!! Now these sales cannot be combined its not buy 5 get 5 free plus the TLS, but for the buy one get one you can order as many as you like....
and if you want to be a great friend to buy another 5 and get the TLS for a friend please email me to let me know this is what you want to do so we can ship it to where you would like.....
We are excited about this IET and we are looking forward to hearing your experiences with it..
"START A LEGACY"
Sebashtion H.
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MagicMattMan
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Tampa, FL
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Posted: Sep 30, 2010 12:11pm
Whoa Guys!
That is such a great deal Sebashtion! I'm probably going to get the 5 spools deal, even though I already own a Trinity. Start a Legacy for my grandkids!
Guys, you need to jump on this deal now!
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not, none will suffice." -Joseph Dunninger
"Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it."Hebrews 13:2
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Blindside785
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Olympia, Washington
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Posted: Sep 30, 2010 1:04pm
Price price price? I need to get into some loop work 
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Sebashtion H.
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Posted: Sep 30, 2010 4:51pm
We will be selling the spools of Legacy for $20 each... this is over 300ft of pre-stripped (no stripping needed)IET.... We are waiting on the labels to come in to release this..... that's the only thing left is put the labels on.....
I am told that they will be in on the week of the 8th....
We will have the site updated by this weekend for all the information for Legacy Thread......
Sebashtion H.
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Sebashtion H.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2010 10:10am
Site is updated with more information and the new Legacy Trailer..
http://www.subdividedstudios.com/legacy.html
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lunatik
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Posted: Oct 3, 2010 11:04am
I didn't see the new trailor?
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Sebashtion H.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2010 4:00pm
Its on the page might take a min to load....
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Blindside785
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Olympia, Washington
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Posted: Oct 3, 2010 4:14pm
I'm down for this I don't have a trinity loop system and this looks like a great deal. I'll have IET for the ages.(5 X300feet)
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lunatik
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Posted: Oct 3, 2010 4:31pm
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On 2010-10-03 16:00, Sebashtion H. wrote:
Its on the page might take a min to load....
Sebashtion H
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for whatever reason Google Chrome doesn't show that there's a clip on that page, I loaded up IE8 and I can now see it 
it's also missing Paisa's pic with his bride and the pricing at the very bottom. I'm not sure why Chrome is not showing this
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Blindside785
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Posted: Oct 3, 2010 4:36pm
I'm using Chrome, works just fine
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Sebashtion H.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2010 5:07pm
I noticed IE8 and 7 displayed the page funny but I was also zoomed in when I zoomed out it went kinda normal.... I have a call in to the web-guy to see what can be done to make this correct across the browsers......
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Sebashtion H.
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Posted: Oct 4, 2010 3:56pm
We just received Justin Millers Quote For Legacy Thread....
“ Seb has finally found the unfindable… The Holy Grail of IET. The Journals of magic when read to generations ahead of us will define this moment as a gigantic leap forward in thread magic… The game is now changed” --Justin Miller
Thank you Justin for this great Quote!!!!!
Update We signed off of the final proof for the Legacy Label The Labels will be in on Oct 12th........
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paisa23
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Posted: Oct 6, 2010 1:31am
Awesome!!! MY REVIEW WILL BE IN NEXT WEEK!!! OUT OF TOWN RIGHT NOW..
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Brandon Johnson
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Posted: Oct 6, 2010 10:34pm
I got two spools of Legacy thread in the mail yesterday (thanks Sebashtion) so although I haven't had long to play with it this is by far the strongest thread I have ever used. I made a loop (sorry yigal), and had it attached to a sharpie to test the strength of the thread. While it was floating my four year old nephew grabs the sharpie and runs away, but instead of breaking it stretches about 3 feet and then snaps back onto my wrist, any other thread I know of would have snapped.This thread can take a beating. (so far I have not had any breakage)
I was using infinity, but now I'm switching to legacy. With infinity thread I have a small fear of the loop or hook up breaking after performing a few times, but I think Legacy can withstand as many performances as I want to do.
My final thoughts, It's the strongest thread I have ever seen, but it's also invisible to the naked eye. I love it,i'm gonna be doing a lot more thread work. It's like the IET your using now...only it's stronger, has a better elasticity, and it has a cooler name...
Legacy...it's the beast of the thread world.
-Brandon Johnson
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Alysson Nishiyama
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Brazil
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Posted: Oct 7, 2010 12:28am
Can anyone provide more details regarding what differs this thread, in terms of visibility and light conditions, from others?
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Sebashtion H.
Special user
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Posted: Oct 7, 2010 11:03pm
It is not just the visibility and lighting conditions that make Legacy so different as much as the elasticity and the strength that is unmatched. all IET has lighting conditions you really should not work directly under florescent lights ECT.....
I don't want to sound biased so I would like the others that have Legacy to answer also please.....
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Dan Bernier
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Canada
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Posted: Oct 8, 2010 2:46am
Now that the source of Infinity and other IET is out of the bag, my question is how do you spool your thread? Considering that the most important part about IET is how it is re-spooled because of tension and all that other stuff I won't get into in this thread.
I know of three different names for IET that all come from the same source that is being sold but have different strengths and stretchyness due to how it's spooled. Apparently it's not about the source anyomore as much as it has to do with how tight the spool is made.
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Dan Bernier
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Posted: Oct 8, 2010 2:49am
In other words. Most IET on the market today now comes from the same source. How do you take care in re-spooling to assure that the customer is getting the best quality available?
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Sebashtion H.
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Posted: Oct 8, 2010 4:38am
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On 2010-10-08 02:49, Gospel Dan wrote:
In other words. Most IET on the market today now comes from the same source. How do you take care in re-spooling to assure that the customer is getting the best quality available?
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Without going into great detail on the equipment I purchased, and exposing my exact method, and others who sell IET... I can say this... We take a great deal of care and pride in making sure each spool is spooled correctly for maximum use, strength, and elasticity... The Legacy Thread reviews speak for themselves.
We don't have a factory spooling these up for us... We are spooling these up ourselves. We wanted to keep this in house so we know that it is done correctly.
Its seems easier to have quality control as it is being spooled instead of going threw thousands and thousands of spools to try and check that they are correct.
We spent months comparing different threads from more than 2 dozen manufactures, and all IET is not made, colored/tinted the same, Yes there are many different names, and I'm guessing the 3 you know are the main 3, but please let me say that there are a dozen more besides those 3, and each are produced to totally different specs... you are correct It is not the name that matters, it's the process it is produced and the way it is spooled and re spooled....
Another problem you get when re spooling the IET is if it is to tight you don’t actually get a true length count… If the IET is stretched on the spool it will appear longer that it actually is.
I say all this not to knock what you said but to expand on it...
Please do not think I am trying to deny what you say but there is a lot more to IET than what most say...
I hope this answers your question Dan.
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Dan Bernier
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Posted: Oct 8, 2010 10:47am
It does Sebashton. Thank you for your answer. I didn't want to say too much, but I'm glad you answered my question. I look forward to trying out your thread.
Dan
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Sebashtion H.
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Posted: Oct 8, 2010 10:56pm
We just recieved A quote from Ray Lum (Lum Entertainment Group)...
"I have been using the standard Invisible Elastic Circles for the longest. Then Sebashtion turn me on to his Legacy Thread and let me tell you, it's the BEST d## Invisible Elastic Thread I ever used! I never seen a Invisible Elastic Thread that tough! I love the high tension!
Now I need to buy me a Trinity System so I could make me some "Circles"....."
Thank you Ray for this great quote!!!!!
Sebashtion H.
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Magikbob
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Posted: Oct 9, 2010 1:23pm
Hi Sebashtion:
Is the Legacy Thread "deal" with the Trinity System available yet? I see it mentioned on your site, but didn't see the "order" button.
Thanks
Bob
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