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panlives
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Posted: Dec 13, 2010 8:51am
Hi All,
In his dynamic and constantly growing eBook, "Ask Roberto," Roberto Giobbi made this statement in the latest installment:
"I’ve yet to find a woman who has contributed anything groundbreaking to magic, but would be interested to learn if anybody of you knows more."
How might you respond?
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Spellbinder
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Posted: Dec 13, 2010 12:02pm
She's only nine years old, but already Wiz Kid Wilhelmina has come up with three original subtle moves for standard tricks and three completely new and original tricks. Check out her accomplishments in Her Bio under "Goodenough, Wilhelmina" here ( http://magicnook.com/forum/bioFG.htm ). So far she's the youngest.
Going back into the past, we have Anna Eva Fay's "Spirit Handkerchief," Frances Ireland Marshall's many kid show originations, Elizabeth Warlock's rope effects and Anti-Gravity Glasses. I am sure there are others. But of course, it depends on how you define "Ground-breaking magic" to someone like Roberto Giobbi.
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Rebecca_Harris
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Posted: Dec 15, 2010 6:04am
I think the name Anna Eva Fay is enough by itself. Where would mentalism be if it wasn't for her and the other Victorian mediums who came up with most of the classic ideas that we all use now?
I think that Roberto's statement is hugely narrow minded. Given that magic is massively male dominated, is it really a great suprise that there is only a small percentage of women contributing to it?
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seadog93
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 11:36am
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On 2010-12-15 06:04, Rebecca_Harris wrote:
I think the name Anna Eva Fay is enough by itself. Where would mentalism be if it wasn't for her and the other Victorian mediums who came up with most of the classic ideas that we all use now?
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Yes totally!
Not to mention, how many magician's 'assistants' never got credit I wonder?
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On 2010-12-15 06:04, Rebecca_Harris wrote:
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I think (hope) this is changing. I'm always happy at the number of girls who come to my magic classes; and if I do any magic at the library I work at it's more often the girls who are interested enough to check out a book.
Over the summer I had a group come to see a library show because they thought I was a woman magician (that's what happenswhen your name is Courtney!); they gave me my favorite compliment of the year:
"We didn't even notice you weren't a girl!" 
I recommended Heather Rogers and Caddwynn to them after the show, I hope they were able to see them.
Posted: Dec 16, 2010 12:42pm
Also what about Charlotte Pendragon. I don't think there is any question (although I could be wrong) that the Pendragons revolutionized metamorphosis, and Charlotte Pendragon was at least half of that revolution.
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Stucky
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Posted: Dec 26, 2010 7:16pm
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On 2010-12-15 06:04, Rebecca_Harris wrote:
I think that Roberto's statement is hugely narrow minded. Given that magic is massively male dominated, is it really a great surprise that there is only a small percentage of women contributing to it?
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I agree. There are many who have had/have an influence, but not given proper credit. Luna Shimada has created many things (behind the scenes as well) and she is still alive and breathing, so far as I know. Adelaide Hermann ring a bell anyone? Tina Lennert? The list goes on of course.
Have any of these women created some obscure card slight? This is probably Giobbi's only concern sadly.
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Father Photius
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Posted: Dec 26, 2010 10:05pm
I'm still trying to figure out where Celeste put all those doves.
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SpellbinderEntertainment
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Posted: Dec 27, 2010 1:46pm
OMG, research Adelaide Herrmann and you'll find one heck of an innovator.
Also Talma Queen of Coins, and Dot Robinson.
The early ladies were masters of illusion...
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ELDEMONIO
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Posted: Dec 29, 2010 9:58pm
It's obvious that the large number of male performers will undoubtebly fog a little great female performers, specialy to laymen I think. I believe Giobbi's statement isn't meant in any negative way although some might take it as a negative challenging statement. I believe he is trying to show that he hasn't found women who have reached the hihg ranks other male performers have, such as, Jean Eugène Robert-Houdin, Houdini, Dai Vernon, etc. These men dramatically changed the face of magic, and I belive Mr. Giobbi is trying to find a woman that is comperable to these legends. Could the names of the women mentioned above be in the same ranks?
I'm familiar with magic history and it's performers, but not an authority in any way for me to say such a statement. I believe there are great women performers and thinkers now and in our past, and perhaps they havn't gotten the respect and prestige they deserve.
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SpellbinderEntertainment
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Posted: Dec 30, 2010 8:04pm
Yes, many women were/are in the same ranks as the great performers, inventors, and innovators.
And it is too true that they have not received the same prestige and respect as their male counterparts.
Just attend a local IBM or SAM meeting to see the general attitude towards women today,
and you'll have an idea of the magnified feelings of lady-magi of other times.
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Payne
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Posted: Dec 30, 2010 11:31pm
Let us not forget Lulu Hearst, The Famous Georgia Magnet.
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ELDEMONIO
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Posted: Dec 31, 2010 3:38am
This is a very interesting topic. Does anyone know good books or documentaries of women in magic? I went to the screening of the documentary Women In Boxes at the magic castle and what an informative movie. If you haven't seen the film you can watch it here http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/women_in_boxes/
I believe the director of the film said they would make a sequel named "women outside boxes" or something to those lines, and it would be about great female performers in magic.
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TheGreatNancini
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Posted: Jan 11, 2011 2:14am
All of my magician friends seem to think that Ursula Martinez broke new ground with a TT. I am not familiar with her work. Can anyone tell me about her. Did she put out an instructional DVD?
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gsidhe
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Posted: Jan 12, 2011 10:13am
She does her act as a strip tease, doing the same trick (A TT scarf production) over and over in various states of undress until finally nude and producing a scarf from her...urm...most private parts.
I would consider her a novelty act, not a groundbreaker. The act is amusing at best.
I am guessing most of your magician friends are male.
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Cyberqat
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Posted: Jan 12, 2011 11:21am
Lets not forget Lulu Hurst, the "Georgia Magnet"
Really, that original statement struck me as just incredibly ignorant and maybe a bit sexist.
Edit; whoops, someone else beat me to almost exactly the same post!
Edit 2: "Could the names of the women mentioned above be in the same ranks? "
Absolutely! Ms. Hurst was at least as well known in her day and created a whole new kind of act. (One could argue that it was inspired/informed by sideshow strongman acts, but then Houdini wasn't the first to get out of a rope, either  )
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TheGreatNancini
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Posted: Jan 12, 2011 2:38pm
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She does her act as a strip tease, doing the same trick (A TT scarf production) over and over in various states of undress until finally nude and producing a scarf from her...urm...most private parts.
I would consider her a novelty act, not a groundbreaker. The act is amusing at best.
I am guessing most of your magician friends are male.
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Wow....Just wow! Thank you for that "interesting piece of info". Yes, most of my magician friends are male, in fact by nature of loving the art of magic and being a magician myself, all of my non magician friends are male as well. Most of the women I know do not get my love for magic or for my love of entertaining.
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ablanathanalba
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Posted: Jan 15, 2011 11:35pm
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On 2010-12-13 08:51, panlives wrote:
In his dynamic and constantly growing eBook, "Ask Roberto," Roberto Giobbi made this statement in the latest installment:
"I’ve yet to find a woman who has contributed anything groundbreaking to magic, but would be interested to learn if anybody of you knows more."
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What a strangely backward thing for him to say. Disappointing.
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scottsheltonmagic
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Posted: Feb 21, 2011 9:20pm
Gay Blackstone!
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hugmagic
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Posted: Feb 23, 2011 7:52am
Gay Blackstone has produced more hours of television than anyone in one year Male or female. Yes, she is still thought of by many as simply the widow of Harry Blackstone. She is much much more.
Dothy Dietrich has broken much ground in the field of escapes. Adelinne Herman was a major star in her own right.
I think some people need to read their history more and look beyond just a few years span.
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Pakar Ilusi
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Posted: Feb 24, 2011 6:47am
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On 2010-12-13 08:51, panlives wrote:
Hi All,
In his dynamic and constantly growing eBook, "Ask Roberto," Roberto Giobbi made this statement in the latest instalment:
"I�ve yet to find a woman who has contributed anything groundbreaking to magic, but would be interested to learn if anybody of you knows more."
How might you respond?
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This is a classic example of the "foot in mouth" syndrome imho...
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R.E. Byrnes
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Posted: Feb 25, 2011 4:29am
Quite an impressive list of groundbreaking contributions that has been complied in this thread.
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Autumn Morning Star
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Posted: Mar 23, 2011 4:36pm
There have been many contributions, but magicians must realize who is recording and writing the history of magic. Even at the biggest magic conventions there are many entrenched 'old boy' attitudes in place. At these conventions, the women hired to do 'magic' are usually lovely hoop twirlers, acrobats, unique dancers, etc., in tiny outfits. Few, if any, of the performers are working magic professionals. This is certainly not due to a lack of working women magicians!
Change must come from within, from the ranks of male magicians who speak on our behalf. There are just too few female voices. We need our brothers to speak up and make requests that a door be opened and kept open. We have so much to contribute! While conventions don't define women as magicians, the lack of a female presence speaks to the stubborn resistance against our inclusion.
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Stucky
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Posted: Mar 25, 2011 7:19pm
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On 2011-03-23 16:36, Autumn Morning Star wrote:
There have been many contributions, but magicians must realize who is recording and writing the history of magic. Even at the biggest magic conventions there are many entrenched 'old boy' attitudes in place. At these conventions, the women hired to do 'magic' are usually lovely hoop twirlers, acrobats, unique dancers, etc., in tiny outfits. Few, if any, of the performers are working magic professionals. This is certainly not due to a lack of working women magicians!
Change must come from within, from the ranks of male magicians who speak on our behalf. There are just too few female voices. We need our brothers to speak up and make requests that a door be opened and kept open. We have so much to contribute! While conventions don't define women as magicians, the lack of a female presence speaks to the stubborn resistance against our inclusion.
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I don't think conventions cater to anyone but hobbyists really. Sure you have the professional ones but then it's the good ol' boy thing you spoke of before. They hire their friends and people they want to see it seems. They seem to aim for the over 40 male. The youth and female demographic tends to be ignored. (One exception is WMS' teen stuff)
Another problem I have seen is many of the female magicians are trying so very hard to prove themselves they blend into the the rank and file of the men. magic is a weird place sometimes.
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Lynetta
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Posted: Mar 29, 2011 7:46pm
I think that quite often, women are not good at tooting their own horns, so their achievements and contributions in magic often go unnoticed and they don't receive the credit they deserve. Women also often work behind the scenes in magic and their contributions are then credited to the person who is headlining the act. That being said, I am going to toot my own horn. First of all, an ad for my company, Fabric Manipulation, is at the top of this page. I built the first Twister Illusion and most of the Fabric Manipulation products are my own creations, or what I feel are improved versions of existing effects. I also hand make practically ever product in my line. And it's not just me, there are other women who are also currently contributing new creations to the world of magic... Randi Rain is continually putting out original products and Rachel Wild Columbini has created many original effects. As far as contributing outside of the product realm, Joanie Spina is contributing by directing and improving magic acts all the time. In the past, how can Marian Chavez be overlooked for her massive contributions to dove magic. I don't have time to list all of the performing female magicians I know, but if you look around, you will see many women contributing in wonderful ways to the performance side of magic.
The women that I have mentioned are just a few that I thought of off the top of my head. I'm sure if I sat and thought about it, along with the women that have already been mentioned, the list would be quite long. So, I guess the answer to your original question is YES, many women have contributed and are currently contributing in great ways to the art of magic.
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Cyberqat
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Posted: Mar 29, 2011 8:50pm
A wonderful short-list, thank you!
People, particularly younger ones today, forget that it hs only been in the last generation or two that women didn't have to hide behind men to have their creations appreciated. The great science fiction writers "Andre Norton" and "James Tiptree Junior" were actually women hiding behind mens names to get their books accepted in the general market.
The fact that women needed to hide behind men, real or made up, in the past has unfortunately hidden their contributions as women to society in general.
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Spellbinder
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Posted: Mar 30, 2011 12:42am
Wiz Kid Wilhelmina continues to grow and amaze me with her magic thinking. I am getting ready to release her "Easter Egg Jelly Bean" Surprise trick to close off The Wizards' Journal #20 on my site. Most recently she has decided she wants to write a book of "Magic For Girls" so she can get some of her friends to think about joining the Wiz Kids and playing around with magic. While her cousin Qua-Fiki was coming up with creative ideas for his Sponge Fish, she has been doing the same thing but with a set of colorful rubber jacks. She showed me some of the moves she has been entertaining her friends with on the school playground at recess and I agreed to take a chance that she has a whole bunch of ideas to fill her "Magic For Girls" book. The "Magic Jacks" will be the first chapter in the book which has a holding spot on my site.
She went with the Wiz Kids to the Jersey Magic Jam this past Sunday and charmed Tony Karpinski so much that he gave her two free magic wands AND her own personal Die Box trick (the other fancy walnut with inlayed decorations box she has to share with other Wiz Kids). You can see the photos of the kids at the Jam Here: http://www.wizkidzinc.com/WK2011/JerseyJamPhotos/JerseyMagicJam.htm
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Posted: Apr 10, 2011 10:09pm
The Delphian Oracle - One of the Founders of the Q&A and related mentalism acts.
The Witch of Endor - big enough to make the Big Book of Judeo-Christianity (if you take the Big Book to have a historical bent versus allegory)
... not sure if Morgana La Fey truly existed... I'll go see...
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Spellbinder
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Posted: Apr 18, 2011 3:11am
Follow-up on my previous post: "Magic Jacks" is turning out to be an entire new field of magic (like sponge balls was a new field back in my youth). I am overwhelmed by the cans of worms (or snakes) that Wilhelmina has unleashed in this one e-Book. There are new sleights, unthinkable with anything but Jacks, a new vanishing principle that applies to any small object covered with an ordinary silk (she calls it "Yankee Hanky"), and it's turning into a textbook on the subject of "Magic with Jacks." I haven't yet even gotten into what she has done with magic for superballs included with the Jacks these days.
In the meantime, I decided it was easier to finish up and release her "Teddy Bear Houdini" effect, once again filled with wonderful new stuff plus another new principle she calls her "Back Loading Cape." Trust me, if you do kid shows, you will be using this one principle from "Hairy Houdini", if not the entire routine. Back to work. I can't wait to see what she comes up with next.
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dennfox
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Posted: Apr 18, 2011 12:34pm
Kitchen Magician?
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wanda&viktor
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Posted: Apr 26, 2011 5:28pm
Wanda my partner, she improved mind reading system. This is a non visible work but verry important and difficult.
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charliewerner
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Posted: Nov 8, 2011 1:14am
Cold reading is created by a woman, I think.
Woman are famous for forecasting future...
Woman are famous as a witch doctor .... (Most being burned because they are thought to be real but infact they just a great magician.
Woman are famous for talking to the dead...(Psychic)
Why is there no record for woman in magic? Because most woman are not taught to write. And most woman don't share their secret with men.
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