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entermagic
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 2:39pm
Hands off means that you don't touch the deck ever. If you touch the box and then the subject open the box and remove the cards
this effect is not hands off.
Hands off is something like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdXIVQ-asqU
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Turk
Inner circle
Portland, OR
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 4:11pm
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On 2011-02-01 10:41, doriancaudal wrote:
What I don't understand is that ted french says: "The deck that the revelation comes from(get ready for the screaming caps) IS ON DISPLAY THE WHOLE TIME AND THE PERFORMER TOUCHES IT FOR 1 SECOND TO OPEN THE BOX", whereas Patrick, the creator, states that the performer doesn't need to touch the deck. Maybe ted french was talking about the version from "Mendacity", wasn't he?
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doriancaudal,
Perhaps the performer does not touch the deck at all--but "merely" touches the box? I sincerely hope we are not playing such a linguistic game.
What I am taking away from both Ted's and Patrick's statements is that the performer does briefly (for one second?) touch the box, but, to the audience (since the deck inside the box is never seen to be touched), the performer is seen to have used a Hands Off methodology. Hence, if you consider the box as part of "the deck", Ted's statement is factually true and Patrick's statement is true as perceived by the audience.
Time will tell what the effect actually entails when "first purchaser" buyers step up to the plate, by the item and then post actual informed reviews.
Still waiting for an answer to my original post asking for the price (including S&H) of this item.
Magic is a vanishing Art.
This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto.
Eschew obfuscation.
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 4:23pm
"Hands Off" is the title of the effect. Presentation wise its the theme of the effect. The ad copy doesn't claim the performer doesn't touch anything.
Included in this release is the stage version of the effect allows the subject to remove the deck from a bag they've been holding the entire time. They reach into the bag, they remove the box, they remove the cards from the box and again do all the counting. They know there's a deck in the bag because the subject can feel that it's there.
The box must be removed from the table or mantle or wherever it's been sitting by the performer. It's literally for a moment to hand it or toss it to someone. The box may be opened, cards may be removed and then counted all by an audience member.
I'm not sure on the cost of this DVD as of yet. I apologize for not being able to answer that question.
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doriancaudal
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 4:57pm
Thank you very Patrick and Turk for all these precise answers. Cannot wait for the release date! Do you have a precise idea of "when" in March, beginning, end... from Patrick Redford's website only ? 
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entermagic
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 5:17pm
Excellent! Hands off is not hands off. (This is a linguistic game  )
What are the differences between Hands off and Route 01,
I believe it is same effect, maybe changes only the name.
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doriancaudal
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 5:33pm
Entermagic, read again what Patrick wrote : "Just to repeat the performer does not have to open the box. The subject may open the box, remove the cards, AND do all the counting UNTOUCHED by the performer. Hence the name "Hands Off"
It is logical for me that it IS hands off, even if you just have to touch the box for some seconds.
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ted french
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Columbus Ohio
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 6:17pm
Hands Off is an updated and improved version of an effect he released years ago before route 1 was released so I doubt they are the same similar maybe but Patrick put the work into this release so that it is improved enough to justify the release. Don't forget there is a bonus impromptu version that is different from the main effect but it is very unique in the world of ACAAN type effects.
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JanForster
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Germany ... two of me is one too much ..
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 6:29pm
Yes, Ted, we both think of "Auspicious Coincidence". Jan
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Ustaad
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INDIA
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Posted: Feb 3, 2011 6:41am
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On 2011-01-31 17:07, JanForster wrote:
It's good, read Patrick's "Mendacity"... Jan
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On 2011-02-02 18:29, JanForster wrote:
Yes, Ted, we both think of "Auspicious Coincidence". Jan
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You first made me to lookup "Mendacity" and then "Auspicious Coincidence"; and in turn I had to look up "Fantasie Impromptu". You really have the knack of keeping us on our toes Jan.
Eagerly looking forward to Patrick’s take on the Any Card @ Any Number plot.
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Illucifer
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891 Posts
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Posted: Feb 3, 2011 11:14am
Have a peek at David Britland's "Cardopolis" column in the December issue of Genii Magazine. He details Raynaly's Card At Any Number (originally published in 1908). It's a fantastic, unusual approach to this effect. It's very easy to accomplish, and a real stunner. Best of all, the presentation is wonderful.
Also, for a very fresh, astonishing, and oft-overlooked version, see Guy Hollingworth's "Drawing Room Deceptions (Mike Caveney's Magic Words, 1999). Guy's effect uses a signed card, and the procedure is, dare I say, almost too fair. It's about as perfect an effect as one could ask for and the applications go far beyond Any Card/Any Number.
It's all in the reflexes.
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Gorecki
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Posted: Feb 3, 2011 2:46pm
Thanks a lot for the references, Illucifer.
I shall look those up...
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
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Posted: Feb 3, 2011 3:33pm
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On 2011-02-03 11:14, Illucifer wrote:
Have a peek at David Britland's "Cardopolis" column in the December issue of Genii Magazine. He details Raynaly's Card At Any Number (originally published in 1908). It's a fantastic, unusual approach to this effect. It's very easy to accomplish, and a real stunner. Best of all, the presentation is wonderful.
Also, for a very fresh, astonishing, and oft-overlooked version, see Guy Hollingworth's "Drawing Room Deceptions (Mike Caveney's Magic Words, 1999). Guy's effect uses a signed card, and the procedure is, dare I say, almost too fair. It's about as perfect an effect as one could ask for and the applications go far beyond Any Card/Any Number.
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The Hollingworth routine is, indeed, very clever. Though it isn't an Any Card @ Any Number routine. It is still simply a card @ any number (though it is a supposed signed card at any number) that doesn't allow for any card @ any number. It also has a bit of restriction as it uses a dual reality approach.
I can't speak on the effect published in Genii as I haven't had a chance to review it. Thanks for the heads up!
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Douglas Lippert
Inner circle
E Pluribus Unum
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Posted: Feb 3, 2011 3:40pm
Will you be selling this at your Missouri lecture?
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
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Posted: Feb 4, 2011 1:55am
If all goes well, I will have these on my upcoming tour!
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InfinityDream
Regular user
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Posted: Feb 4, 2011 3:28am
WOW, the demo looks very good.
Can you perform it without to show the blue deck?
In my opinion, if you don't show the first blue deck,
the effect becomes very impressive and removes any malicious thoughts.
Release date?
-Antonio
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doriancaudal
Special user
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Posted: Feb 4, 2011 11:29am
Patrick, to summarize, what will be the major differences with "Auspicious coincidence", apart the fact that the spectator can open the box and remove the cards?
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nanaswan
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Posted: Feb 4, 2011 12:22pm
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On 2011-02-04 03:28, InfinityDream wrote:
WOW, the demo looks very good.
Can you perform it without to show the blue deck?
In my opinion, if you don't show the first blue deck,
the effect becomes very impressive and removes any malicious thoughts.
Release date?
-Antonio
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No definitely not IMO.
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Patrick Redford
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Michigan
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Posted: Feb 4, 2011 11:32pm
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On 2011-02-04 11:29, doriancaudal wrote:
Patrick, to summarize, what will be the major differences with "Auspicious coincidence", apart the fact that the spectator can open the box and remove the cards?
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There are three different approaches/handlings included in this DVD project.
You get both instructions for the close-up version of the gimmick and the stage gimmick which are different gimmicks.
Both gimmicks are vastly improved from previously published material.
In the stage version, an audience member holds onto a package (in this case a gift bag) with a deck of cards inside it (they can feel and confirm that it's there and theoretically could even be shown that the cards were in the bag before its handed out to hold but this (in my opinion would kill the effect theatrically).
In the close up version, not only is the deck openly on display, but the box may be viewed from all sides...in fact even handed out to the audience top be opened. This was not possible in the original version of the effect. The gimmick that does the secret something is essentially self vanishing. This was not the case in the original version.
In addition there are additional details not included in the original versions that apply other systems to this system. Everyone will have their preference on which system works best for them. This is one of that great things about this effect is that different people will prefer different handlings and they're all talked about and explained on the DVD. I'm being purposefully vague here as to not give away the farm. There's some clever thinking from Tom Baxter, for example, that really brings in a different approach to the cards themselves.
The impromptu version, which we should have a video preview of that up soon, has seen print before but this is the first time the necessary something has been explained and taught in video format. A lot of folks have felt the need for more visual instruction of the one simple invisible move.
There's been a lot of work bringing this project to where it is and has been in development for a very long time. Many of you are familiar with some of that work along the way. I'm thankful to be working with Anatomy Productions in finally bringing this project the digital video world of light.
-PGR
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NYCJoePitt
Elite user
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Posted: Feb 5, 2011 9:34am
Patrick, you will be lecturing at Tannens next month, but I will be out of town on business that week 
Are you doing any other lectures in the NYC area?
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doriancaudal
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Posted: Feb 5, 2011 11:59am
Thanks for your answer Patrick, cannot wait
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John Carey
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Posted: Feb 5, 2011 2:36pm
Wish you every success with this project Patrick.
Best
John
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
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Posted: Feb 5, 2011 3:50pm
I should also note that the differences between my original version published in 2005 (Auspicious Coincidence) and David Forest's that was published a few years later (Route 01) both involved a similar principle but his involved tape, glue, and what not. The original version of this effect did not involve having to glue or tape anything together. That is not the case with the updated gimmick, but the original method is briefly discussed in passing on the DVD and if you'd like to go that route (no pun intended) you may certainly choose to do so.
-PGR
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doriancaudal
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796 Posts
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Posted: Feb 6, 2011 4:40pm
Is the DVD going to be available to buy from patrickredford.com or one of your other websites ? Thanks!
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
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Posted: Feb 8, 2011 12:15am
Hi Dorian,
Yes it will be available through my usual product site and eventually all other dealers soon.
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tincture
Special user
534 Posts
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Posted: Feb 8, 2011 12:52pm
This update has fooled me! I'm looking forward to your new work o this subject.
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
1468 Posts
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Posted: Feb 9, 2011 11:02am
Thanks! I'm glad you've enjoyed it!
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Eshla
Inner circle
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Posted: Feb 9, 2011 7:20pm
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On 2011-02-09 11:02, Patrick Redford wrote:
Thanks! I'm glad you've enjoyed it!
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Dear Patrick,
Firstly, let me just say that I think I'm becoming a fanboy of yours. And I definitely need to look up your lecture tour dates (in the North?). You're style and charisma never seem to fail to charm me; and the hat is awesome.
Secondly, is it possibly to use my own deck stack with this? You say yours doesn't require maths or memory work, but I am worried that it will be something that (when spread) is obviously stacked. I only ever like to carry one card deck around with me, though I will now carry this second gimmicked one too, but I like performing with this deck in my own style. I use it to do card calling and so on.
Do I have to change the structure of my deck, or can it remain as it is? If you do indeed have a clever way of removing all the mentally hard work, then I'd love to use your deck, but I am worried that if I do it will mean I cannot do things like Card Calling or so on.
xx
I come from the future to culture you poor sods with fire.
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Patrick Redford
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Michigan
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Posted: Feb 11, 2011 3:43pm
Eshla,
Thanks for the kind words. While a memorized stack is not required, nor is any full deck stack, it certainly may use one if you choose. I'm a big fan of the Aronson Stack and have used a modified version of it for years. That said, whatever stack you choose to use (where you're able to know the position of every card at every number) work well with this effect. Again, it is not necessary to use such a stack or any stack that has any pattern to it. On the dvd I describe how to perform this effect with what is essentially a legitimate shuffled pack of cards (with a few exceptions) where it would be very difficult to spot any pattern as any pattern that does exist only does so amongst five cards.
I don't see the use of another stack with this method being an issue.
If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
-PGR
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Tragic Geek Patriot
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53 Posts
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Posted: Feb 12, 2011 2:59am
I'm confused. Does Hands off use a stacked or doesn't it?
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JanForster
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Germany ... two of me is one too much ..
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Posted: Feb 12, 2011 3:48am
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On 2011-02-11 15:43, Patrick Redford wrote:
I'm a big fan of the Aronson Stack and have used a modified version of it for years...
-PGR
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What we could see in the video... being myself a fan like you... Jan
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