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jdmagic357 Special user 737 Posts |
So while recently in Vegas I had the displeasure of taking a few friends to see Marc Savard. The tickets were $5, so it didn't break the bank but even if they had given me the tickets for free, I would have been disappointed about the time I lost. His show was playing at the V theater in Mile Mall and it seemed as though we walked a mile to get there. We waited in line to be the first through the doors only to find that VIP's were the ones to sit by the stage and the general admission seats were filled in a way that put those who came first in the worst seats in the far left corner. When I complained we were given better seats.
But I digress. More about the show. After some nonsensical ravings about how anybody can be hypnotized because hypnotism is a state between sleep and consciousness, he invited anybody who wanted to participate on stage and narrowed the participants down to about 10. It was so obvious that had chosen those who would play along the best and had the most gregarious personality's. My wife who knows nothing about hypnosis said "look that guy on the end is obviously just helping him out". This became even more clear when he was asked to simulate coitus with an inflatable doll of a man. The guy just wouldn't do it. So why was the show such a let down? Well, it just wasn't anything special. Nothing new and for a Vegas show we expected more. I guess that's our fault but never the less we won't be recommending it. I will say one good thing about the show, his assistant was lovely, and the byplay with them passing an imaginary joint between them while not giving any to the Rastafarian was stellar.
Just cause they say it, doesn't make it true.
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HighClass New user 87 Posts |
Wow! I've been to Savards show several times and have given it the highest recommendation. As a working stage Hypnotist, I'll tell you the focus is on entertainment not deep trance. He has minutes to determine who will provide the best show for his paying audience. Nobody wants to watch a drawn out level by level trance induction with multiple deepeners. He is looking for sonabalist who go very seep very fast and dismissing those who will require more attention.
As for the guy who wouldn't do the final deed with the doll. Quit normal. Hypnosis doe not mean you will do what ever the hypnotist says. This is not voodoo! |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
It seems to be you might have little knowledge of hypnosis by your review. Such statements as "After some nonsensical ravings about how anybody can be hypnotized" demonstrates my point. In reality this is known as a pre-talk and is conditioning the audience for the best results and subjects.
"It was so obvious that had chosen those who would play along the best and had the most gregarious personality's" is also a very incorrect statement. The last thing a stage hypnotist wants is someone faking ot or playing along. While it may not appear like it, he is looking for direct signs of response and who is most suggestible. Yes, looking for the better or more outgoing personalities is part of it, as the worst thing you can have is a group of deeply hypnotized subjects that even though they are quite hypnotized and very unresponsive or lack any character or animation. Not everyone hypnotized is outgoing and willing to do whatever they are told. I've also never understood why anyone would think a hypnotist would keep or want someone "just trying to help him out". This again makes no sense. More than likely it was someone responding in their own way, a bit differently, or wanting to become hypnotized and participate so badly that they in fact were actually trying too hard to become hypnotized whicch may have the outcome or look you described. As far as the location of the theater, the seating policy of the theater and so on, this has nothing to do with Marc, his ability and the level of competance of the performer or the quality of the show. He just rents the room. Then my last thought is you got it for 5 BUCKS! Even an off night or poor performance in my opinion is well worth more than 5 bucks. You attended a Las Vegas Stip evening show for 5 BUCKS! People seem to forget that hypnosis is very much dependent of the volunteers, the Hypnotist is just the ringmaster. It is no magical controlability that the Hypnotist has to assure everyone and everything are perfect each performance. That is one of the gretest appeals of hypnosis, you could see the exact same show in the same night or on two consecutive nights, with the same material, and still end up experiencing two completely different outcomes and responses comprising an entirely different show. Remember hypnosis is not magic. Marc is very skilled. We travel in some of the same circles although have only met in passing once. We're often invited to be guests a specific stage hypnosis training events, and I can personally vouch for his professionalism. Seems you were focused more on the negatives rather than other aspects that could have made it more enjoyable for you. Sorry you didn't have a good time. Also the way you mention your expectations of a "Vegas Show", may have been also at the root of your ill perception. Vegas is no different than anywhere else, our performers that are dependent on the audience volunteers here are the same as anywere else. I belive that in many cases Vegas audiences, especially the younger crowd 18-32 is among the toughest audience in the country to perform for. All the want to do is drink until they pass out, be loud obnoxious and impress their friends thinking their cool, (heaven forbid if they have to put their drink down for 40 minutes to participate in the show), have no respect for the vene or performers, and since they're in Vegas, much like Mardi gras or Sping Break, they think they do not have to follow any rules or abide by any laws here. So with all that in mind, they then decide "let's go to a hypnosis show", followed by "I'm going to volunteer...watch this". Trust me I see it here in town every day, every hour of the day. To me these are the worst performing situations to be in, with only minimal control of what could or will happen. These are far less than optimal performance environments for hypnotists. Yes, comedians, magicians, mentalists and other entertainers here feel and experience it too, but nothing like the hypnotists do. Perhaps your expectations were a bit unrealistic? |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Oh well. Don't go back. Pretty simple really.
Danny Doyle
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Jesse Lewis Loyal user 227 Posts |
The nonsensical ramblings = pretalk
Guy not doing coitus = probably covered in the pretalk As for not liking the show = Don't go again/ Do a better one yourself
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quicknotist Special user 888 Posts |
One audience member's point of view from an audience of what size exactly?
I wonder what everyone else thought. |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
What surprized me is that I usually hear this type of review from the other high-profile hypnosis show in town.
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Shamaneri New user 39 Posts |
Quite frankly I am shocked that an entertainer of that status would employ such low class "humor". That business with the doll sounds quite disgusting and is the sort of thing that brings hypnosis especially from a therapy standpoint into disrepute. I am not terribly keen on the references to "joints" either. It really brings a low tone to the entertainment. I didn't see the show so I won't comment on the rest of the original poster's criticism.
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Oh dear. A cock.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Guys, whether we like it or not, perhaps that is how hypnosis is seen. I remember seeing Paul McKenna playing huge venues. He got tonnes of spectators onto a stage and played the numbers game, reducing them down to ten (always ten) after a tedious half hour. The man made plenty of money, and was very successful. But I have seen plenty better. I have never seen Marc's show, but is the best response really to take down the reviewer?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
To be curious was my response of don't go back taking him down?
His opinion is just that ONE opinion and as valid as any. But no more valid either.
Danny Doyle
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
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On 2012-01-06 23:29, Shamaneri wrote: Are you kidding? Have you not been to Las Vegas? It's called "Sin City" for a reason which is primarily anything goes. Truth be told, this is a decent, quite respectable show. There are several I've seen including Dr. Naughty's and Anthony Cools that is nearly 100% XXX rated, where passing a fake joint would be considered mundane. Not just in Las Vegas, but in comedy clubs all across the country, truth be told, this is what audiences come to see and actually expect. And the younger the audience the more the raunch factor increases. Part of being a good entertainer is giving the audience what they want. Also please remember, this has absolutely nothing to do with therapy or a therapy standpoint, this is a stage hypnosis or performance hypnosis forum, talking about stage hypnosis, and a stage hypnosis performance. Of course this would not be acceptable in a therapy practice or session, just as much of a therapy session would not be proper or welcome in a stage performance. I'm guessing you may not have been to a stage performance before or at least not recently, or perhaps only at a NHG or similar convention, which is rarely a real-world type of performance situation. Trust me if he wasn't talent, good and appealing, he wouldn't be in Las Vegas working at such a corporate venue as he is. Remember this entire post is based on one man's opinion, which may have seemed a bit biased from the beginning. Yet of course he is still welcome to his opinion and it is quite valid. Rarely would any stage hypnotist have completely performed 100% to the taste and satisfaction of the entire audience, myself included. |
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Jacob Smith Inner circle Columbus, OH 1871 Posts |
Strange you say that, I saw him recently while at HTG and thought his show was great. My attention was completely held the whole entire time and the people were obviously hypnotized, to top it off afterwards Marc broke down some of the things in his show...blew my mind!
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Shamaneri New user 39 Posts |
Mind Pro. I can assure you that I have seen many hypnosis shows both clean and unclean. I prefer the clean route as I believe it is a better route in the long run. From a business point of view too. Furthermore it is the dirty shows that tend to encourage legislation in various jurisdictions restricting or even banning stage hypnosis. They are second only to dangerous shows in encouraging this tendency. You would think that with all the controversy surrounding stage hypnosis that it would be common sense not to fuel the fire. Of course common sense is not that common among stage hypnotists.
If a show is presented with good taste and decorum it can be a fascinating entertainment and give some dignity to the phenomena. As for Las Vegas I have seen a hypnosis show there which was quite tasteful. I think the fellow's name was Dr Scott Lewis although I may be mistaken here. But in any event one of the greatest stage hypnotists (now retired) of them all lives in Vegas. He had one of the most successful hypnosis shows in history breaking all records. I saw him work and he was a fantastic showman. I far prefer his philosophy which he espouses here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhi-evAV5CU&feature=related |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
Oh, don't misunderstand me, I agree with your sentiments, but in reality times have changed. With today's "instant" generations and their "instant" world, and the way their culture - style, music, humor, language, casualness, and generational standards are, the type of show you are referring to is not appealing or as entertaining to them.
To audiences and perhaps our generation, I would agree, but that's not the new Vegas. Yes, I know and like Dr. Scott Lewis show, and yes, Reveen one one of the best and is still in Vegas as Lance Burton's manager, but the reality is these are not the types of shows that sell the tickets, fill the room, and make the profits, and lack he edge of today's audiences. Unless it was for an older demo property such as Golden Nugget, or some of the off-strip or older casinos (like Dr, Scott's Riviera, Kreskin another classic had a run there recently too), the main strip casinos are more of what I discussed earlier, which you more than likely would take offense to. Much of these perspectives also seem generational. Yes I agree a respectable show would probably be safer and overall better for the industry on many points, but I might tend to disagree with you slightly on the controversies surrounding hypnosis, as I feel today's generations and even the one previous have less intrepidations, resistance and reluctance towards hypnosis than ever before. They seem to accept it, get it, understand it and welcome it, rather than the skepticism, reluctance of belief and unacceptance that has long existed. I feel this is an advancement in hypnosis. I also don't like many of the things and ways that performance hynposis has taken, and while previous generations were always taught it's better (and you are more talented) if you can perform without being blue, to newer generations of stage show audiences the dirtier shows the funnier, and are more their norm. |
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Shamaneri New user 39 Posts |
Oh, dirty shows are ten a penny nowadays. For this reason a clean show stands out and is actually a good selling point. There are many places you cannot work with a dirty show and if the word gets round that this is what you do then you limit your market. You can work dirty in many colleges and universities although not all of them. You can work dirty if you promote your own show which is the norm in Vegas. Nobody actually books you there-you have to promote the thing yourself. You can work dirty in bars. But that really is about it. Your market is limited.
However, you cannot work dirty in high schools, resorts, fairs or corporate events. There are some exceptions even here I will grant you, but not that many. And the good news is that you can ALSO work in the places that the dirty hypnotists work. I have seen clean hypnotists work in colleges, self promoted shows and even bars. They seem to do just as well revenue wise and go over just as well if not better than the crude shows. From a pure business point of view I believe this is the way to go. Of course we all have our own opinions and I respect yours even though they are not my own. I am afraid we shall have to agree to disagree in this matter. |
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Jesse Lewis Loyal user 227 Posts |
I could not agree more the clean show actually does stand out and is a pretty good selling point in fact all of my shows are clean because that is the market I go after.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Let's not move the goal posts. The first post was not about marketability. It was asan opinion about content. It is valid as any.
Danny Doyle
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aerobat New user 6 Posts |
I have seen Marc many times, have taken his stage hypnosis training and found him to be a first class entertainer, performer and trainer.
He has been a hypnotist since school days and during the training course said he only started doing adult skits at Vegas because that is what is expected there. Marc has been packing the V theatre six nights a week for several years - that says something ! |
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Shamaneri New user 39 Posts |
Yes. It does say something. It says that he has been packing in a theatre six nights a week. But will all due respect that is all it says. He still needs to get rid of questionable material. And if he does he will STILL be packing in a theatre six nights a week.
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