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Red Eyed Coyote New user 35 Posts |
I remember watching the old cartoon Samurai Jack (try not to laugh haha) and one of the episodes featured Jack facing two dragons who were brothers; one of whom could not lie and the other could not tell the truth. Jack had to interrogate them to find something (i don't remember what). I thought that this would make for a good over-the-phone trick or performed with two spectators.
Performance: Call a friend and ask them if they would like to participate in a magic trick over the phone. Ask them to imagine that they have a brother sitting right next to them. Either they or their brother cannot tell a lie and the other cannot tell the truth. Once they understand the circumstances ask them to take a small object near by (such as a ring or watch), tell you what it is, and then either give it to their brother or keep it to themselves. Then inform them that you will ask questions addressed to both him/her and his/her brother. Remind them that one of them can only tell the truth and the other can only lie and that they cannot switch roles from here on out. Ask them a short series one-word-answer questions and ask a similar series to their brother whom they answer for. Once they understand how the game goes you ask the money question. "If you were your brother, how would you answer the following question: 'do you have the (ring/watch)?'" Their answer will always be a lie, thus you conclude who has the item and reveal it. Concerns: I know right away that if this is done over the phone it can become quite heady and overly complicated for one person to answer for two (figurative) people, let alone keep track of who is lying and who is not, and making sure they are sticking to the rules. It would be better in person, the only adjustment would be that you turn your back and cover your ears while they decide who is who and conceal the object. A possible remedy for the phone version is to have them bring someone else into the room and put the phone on speakerphone. This is far more just a brainstorm session than it is a finished product. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Behind this mask is an idea, and ideas, Mr. Creedy, are bulletproof.
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gab Regular user 123 Posts |
You're at the beginning of a great journey!
You'll eventually meet Banachek's ring of truth or in a parallele path Leo Boudreau's Lie yo me. You may even meet some guys like Patrick Redford or Jerome Finley... Who knows! |
psychicturtle Special user UK 821 Posts |
Ever seen 'Labyrinth'? Anyone who has is not impressed by this VERY OLD puzzle - which is what it is, a puzzle. But it has been advanced by a few good people. But this is not an effect.
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Red Eyed Coyote New user 35 Posts |
I know that it is a puzzle rather than an effect and that it is ancient in terms of age, but I wanted to see if it were possible to spin or adapt it to a performer's advantage. Aren't "puzzles" what most magic tricks are based on? Puzzles or subtle psychological/subconscious truths that magicians take advantage of? I have heard of Labyrinth but have not seen it though I know many people have. I am not counting on a spectator having seen it (perhaps a mistake?), or if they have, recognizing the puzzle from the movie (or somewhere else), much less the solution to it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you say the same of any trick? With a proper knowledge base, no one is going to be impressed by any "magic" trick. All tricks are puzzles that we expand our knowledge base of and use to our advantage and adapt to a performance standpoint. No?
PS: Thank you for the insight. As I said earlier, this just popped into my head so I decided to play with it.
Behind this mask is an idea, and ideas, Mr. Creedy, are bulletproof.
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santlerconjurer Veteran user 364 Posts |
And here, half a decade later, is the solution to making this stage-worthy!
First, openly instruct two volunteers to secretly agree which is the Truth Teller and which is the Liar. Then have them secretly decide which paper cup hides a spike that can pierce your hand when you crush the cup. Finally announce you have to choose the correct (safe) cup by asking one and only one question of one of the two volunteers. (It probably adds to the suspense if you let a random audience member decide which to the two volunteers gets the question.) Finally WHISPER the magic question to one of the volunteers, causing him to point to the cup with the spike under it. Act as if you're going to crush it, but then dramatically crush the safe cup. |
Marc O Special user The Netherlands 755 Posts |
And then find yourself in the ER of your local hospital....
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santlerconjurer Veteran user 364 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2017, Marc O wrote: Or perhaps you could use two warm cans of soda, one shaken, one not. |
Machina Elite user 408 Posts |
When Banachek does it, it's an effect!
This "has nothing to do with the Magician who doesn't like Rock n Roll!" Corinda
www.mechanicsofthemind.com |
bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
Look in to imbalanced by Atlas.Or V by Manos.
Both of these are excellent.Both are hard to backtrack and both take the puzzle look out of it. Todd |
Yogi2x4 Regular user 190 Posts |
Great show! Love the idea of incorporating their exchange into some interesting lines. Thanks for the idea!
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Banachek V.I.P. Houston 1086 Posts |
Just a warning, any performer doing a spike trick that relies upon a spectator doing as asked without the performer watching is asking to be hurt. NEVER EVER EVER do this. It must be marked and even then you will have a brain fart. My knife routine (the first knife routine ever) as far as I know, is the only method where it is 100 percent safe and even If I mess up I know far in advance and have a way to fix it. And no, I have never put it out there yet. But Please never reply upon a logic puzzle for a dangerous stunt. It only takes one time for the spectator to get confused or mess up and you are hurt as a result. Dangerous stunts are all about the illusion of danger, that is where the true illusion is, even Houdini the KING OF SUCH STUNTS knew this.
In thoughts and Friendship
Banachek Campus Performer of the Year two years in a row Year 2000 Campus Novelty Act PEA Creativity Award Recipient http://www.banachek.com |
WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
I'd like to see your knife routine done live, Banachek. I think I've only heard about it.
That being said, Nailed It! by Scott Alexander is also 100% safe.
Christopher
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ThatsJustWrong! Special user My flying monkeys are perched on 629 Posts |
First off, listen to the nice Mr. Banachek. He seems like a bright guy No spikes, please, for the sake of your hand and your own credibility. Allow me to explain:
It's been my experience that no matter how clearly you explain rules and roles like these in the set up, it will occasionally happen that a volunteer gets confused or your well-honed 'spectator selection radar' fails and you get one who decides to mess with you. Now, let's assume you have marked the 'penalty' by some method for your own safety so you know you've been steered wrong. Here's Hobson's choice: You know the announced selection isn't right, do you go with their answer anyway? If you double-speak or otherwise equivocate your way out of using their choice, the audience will feel it. If you don't validate the spectator truthfully then you obviously knew the answer regardless of their statement so why should the audience place any credence in other volunteers? In most cases, I choose to take the miss because it suits my presentation; I do not present myself as infallible or godly (except for my looks) because most of my 'demonstrations' are framed in a "look what we can do together" feel. The participant is never wrong, we just didn't connect on this one; it's not their fault. Likewise, I'm not going to drive a spike through my hand to prove that what they say actually matter. For that demonstration, there's the Pain Game and even that has been on my shelf and out of the show for many years. And now, a quick anecdote to remain in keeping with the OP. I got in trouble for this one way when I was in the eighth grade (back in the days when numbers only went up to ten and abacuses weren't allowed in the classroom). My math teacher presented this same Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum logic puzzle as a challenge that required three questions to determine who was the liar. I solved it in one: "Are you a triceratops?" We got to discuss that one after school.
Joe Leo
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Banachek V.I.P. Houston 1086 Posts |
*** typos.. sorry, was typing as walking through an airport... lol
In thoughts and Friendship
Banachek Campus Performer of the Year two years in a row Year 2000 Campus Novelty Act PEA Creativity Award Recipient http://www.banachek.com |
Yuan Moons Veteran user 348 Posts |
Gotta respect Banacheks opinion on this. He did perhaps the craziest most dangerous stunt ever on TV and thankfully survived. He knows what he's talking about when it comes to dangerous stunts, that's for sure. And he knows logic puzzles too...
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