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Vincero
Veteran user
New Zealand
373 Posts
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Posted: Jul 1, 2011 6:10am
Wonderful work, I'm jealous. It's great to see this. You have so much potential, I hope that more of the proffessional guys aroun dhere are able to comment on your technique. You will go far.
Zac
"Which way I fly is Hell; myself am Hell; And in the lowest deep a lower deep
Still threat'ning to devour me opens wide, To which the Hell I suffer seems a Heav'n" -John Milton, (Paradise Lost)
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joeyfx
New user
Germany
73 Posts
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Posted: Jul 1, 2011 11:06am
Thank you again zac
really means a lot to me =)
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even if they don't
I already learned a lot from just reading their posts and searching through the forum
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joeyfx
New user
Germany
73 Posts
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Posted: Jul 3, 2011 2:03pm
New Video:
http://vimeo.com/25935502
(ping pong shift)
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Unknown419
Inner circle
1332 Posts
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Posted: Jul 3, 2011 4:11pm
Joey your ping pong shift is excellent, the illusion is great.
Now regarding your Charlie Miller shift, you're doing this like a grade A magician which needs to be improved upon. How? Stop picking up the deck and looking at all the bottom card(s) before you place the deck in your hand to deal. You think if I was playing cards with you that I would let you look at the bottom stock? Hell no. This is a great advantage in playing cards, knowing what and what not to play or to disband. I have a friend by the name of Doug Edwards who demonstrates this Charlie Miller Spin Pass just like you and I told him the same thing. Eliminate that looking at the bottom of the deck pick up and you will have a perfect gambling shift for the card table.
Take care,
Respectfully,
Doc
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joeyfx
New user
Germany
73 Posts
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Posted: Jul 3, 2011 4:32pm
Thank you for your comment Doc, highly appreciated =)
makes perfect sense
the reason I added this sliding action was because I could never believe that the pass would work
no matter how much I tried, the visible spinning action of the top packet always disturbed me
so I added this extra motion to cover it, the downside of course is what you mentioned in your post
I guess I'll just go back to the original handling of the shift, without looking at the bottom card
again thank you for your comment =)
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Unknown419
Inner circle
1332 Posts
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Posted: Jul 4, 2011 12:13am
If you do the spinning action fast enough no one will see it except for you. If you still see it and you're not satisfied when you look in the mirror then just add a little more cover by using all 4 fingers close together with no windows and you or no one else will see the move.
Take care,
Doc
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bblumen
Special user
Baltimore
987 Posts
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Posted: Jul 6, 2011 5:19pm
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On 2011-07-03 16:32, joeyfx wrote:
[snip]
the reason I added this sliding action was because I could never believe that the pass would work
no matter how much I tried, the visible spinning action of the top packet always disturbed me
so I added this extra motion to cover it, the downside of course is what you mentioned in your post
I guess I'll just go back to the original handling of the shift, without looking at the bottom card
again thank you for your comment =)
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Look at this handling.
Just eliminate the all-around-square at the end.
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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kipling100
Loyal user
224 Posts
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Posted: Jul 6, 2011 8:17pm
Or maybe if you do the shift on top of a cut card, the picking up and looking at the bottom card wouldn't be as problematic?
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Unknown419
Inner circle
1332 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2011 3:27am
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On 2011-07-06 17:19, bblumen wrote:
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On 2011-07-03 16:32, joeyfx wrote:
[snip]
the reason I added this sliding action was because I could never believe that the pass would work
no matter how much I tried, the visible spinning action of the top packet always disturbed me
so I added this extra motion to cover it, the downside of course is what you mentioned in your post
I guess I'll just go back to the original handling of the shift, without looking at the bottom card
again thank you for your comment =)
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Look at this handling.
Just eliminate the all-around-square at the end.
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Joey don't pay attention to the photos or the video. The bottom card is still flashed to the players at the table which is wrong and the photos of charlie miller show the move the wrong way with the bottom card being shown to the opposite player which is wrong. Do it as I told you to, just use more fingers as cover and speed up the spin action if necessary.
Doc
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joeyfx
New user
Germany
73 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2011 8:56am
@bblumen: thanks for the link
I know about the handling but I never really liked the cover for the move
@Doc:
Im practising it the way you told me
I'll post another video when Im ready =)
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Unknown419
Inner circle
1332 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2011 5:43pm
Hey Joey here's a really brief clip of me doing the Spin Pass when I was with Sal, Rod the Hop and Steve Forte in Vegas. It's nothing special about it but you see how I cover it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zxJBy13PKw
Respectfully,
Doc
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bblumen
Special user
Baltimore
987 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2011 5:46pm
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On 2011-07-07 17:43, Unknown419 wrote:
Hey Joey here's a really brief clip of me doing the Spin Pass when I was with Sal, Rod the Hop and Steve Forte in Vegas. It's nothing special about it but you see how I cover it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zxJBy13PKw
Respectfully,
Doc
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Excellent!
Brian
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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Unknown419
Inner circle
1332 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2011 5:57pm
Thank you Brian
Doc
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bblumen
Special user
Baltimore
987 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2011 6:07pm
Doc,
Would you use it in a game?
Brian
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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Vincero
Veteran user
New Zealand
373 Posts
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Posted: Jul 8, 2011 1:14am
That's a beautiful Miller Shift Doc!!
"Which way I fly is Hell; myself am Hell; And in the lowest deep a lower deep
Still threat'ning to devour me opens wide, To which the Hell I suffer seems a Heav'n" -John Milton, (Paradise Lost)
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Unknown419
Inner circle
1332 Posts
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Posted: Jul 8, 2011 6:18am
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On 2011-07-07 18:07, bblumen wrote:
Doc,
Would you use it in a game?
Brian
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I used this shift a whole lot in games when I used to bottom deal. You all have to understand that the players who you're gambling with don't know you, so how in the world would they know how you replace a cut. People accept from you what they first see and from that point on to them that is your mannerism. If you start off dealing fast they accept that as the way you deal all the time. To me everyone that I've shown the spin pass to love it because it's so pretty. How can a person who don't know anything about a hop understand a spin pass; they can't.
If you all don't believe me just go up to anyone and say watch this cut and don't tell them that you're putting the deck back to it's original position and you'll see that they don't even know what's going on unless you tell them.
Best,
Doc
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Gino T.
New user
Celestopoli
9 Posts
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Posted: Jul 8, 2011 9:49am
I love the miller shift since it can be used with a cut card too.
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joeyfx
New user
Germany
73 Posts
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Posted: Aug 21, 2011 9:15am
New Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJWYkZgabH0
Not much improvement but Im back froma a week in hospital and wanted to let you know Im still alive =)
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jjsanvert
Veteran user
Paris, France
394 Posts
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Posted: Aug 22, 2011 2:55am
***ed - I hope it was not for your hands 
JJS
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joeyfx
New user
Germany
73 Posts
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Posted: Aug 22, 2011 3:45pm
 no the hands are fine
but I couldn't practise a lot
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joeyfx
New user
Germany
73 Posts
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Posted: Aug 23, 2011 12:02pm
New Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3b65qU223o
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joeyfx
New user
Germany
73 Posts
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Posted: Sep 1, 2011 1:24pm
New Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO51G_TXmUY
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joeyfx
New user
Germany
73 Posts
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Posted: Nov 6, 2011 7:38am
New Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBVAq60K6cI
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Vincero
Veteran user
New Zealand
373 Posts
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Posted: Nov 6, 2011 3:54pm
Something about the way you handle cards is very rhythmic and elegant. I like it. Well done, as always.
"Which way I fly is Hell; myself am Hell; And in the lowest deep a lower deep
Still threat'ning to devour me opens wide, To which the Hell I suffer seems a Heav'n" -John Milton, (Paradise Lost)
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poonchingyip
Veteran user
Canada
359 Posts
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Posted: Nov 7, 2011 12:08am
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On 2011-11-06 15:54, Vincero wrote:
Something about the way you handle cards is very rhythmic and elegant. I like it. Well done, as always.
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I agree. His style on gambling materials are very nice and unique =)
- Arthur
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joeyfx
New user
Germany
73 Posts
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Posted: Dec 30, 2011 11:11am
Thank you Vincero and Arthur, glad you guys like it
New Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947wkLwLobY
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joeyfx
New user
Germany
73 Posts
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Posted: Feb 10, 2012 3:34am
New Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewsAJVow7EA
(moving a slug from the bottom to the top of the deck)
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poonchingyip
Veteran user
Canada
359 Posts
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Posted: Feb 10, 2012 3:52am
I cannot follow the slug at all!!!! EXCELLENT WORK AGAIN =)
- Arthur
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tommy
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
13336 Posts
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Posted: Feb 10, 2012 7:20am
This is a distinct change of procedure but very nice
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy
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joeyfx
New user
Germany
73 Posts
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Posted: Feb 10, 2012 8:12am
@Arthur: Thank you as always
@tommy: because I did the last cut after a running cut, instead of doing it after a shuffle as usual? or because I did the kinda strange squaring action (looking at the cards)
or because of both?
thanks for your input, much appreciated 
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