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xxxRoyxxx
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Posted: Aug 8, 2003 11:41am
I figured this to be the best place to post this...
I have a tattoo on my inner forearm that I regret because of my magic. It is large and difficult to hide regardless of being on stage/close-up. Sleeves would seem to be the obvious answer but, being that my concentration is mainly manipulation, sleeves get in my way when performing!
I know this can be a bit tricky but are there any suggestions, views...?
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paraguppie
Elite user
Rapid City South Dakota!
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Posted: Aug 8, 2003 1:04pm
Why do you want to hide it so badly? I say let people see it. There was a time that tattoos were socially not very acceptable. I think that time is gone. I have one on my shoulder. It is not visible unless I am in a tanktop shirt, but if anyone sees it, I don't mind.
Is it destracting from your routine? Is it inappropriate (naked woman or something)? Why the need to hide it so badly?
Keith
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xxxRoyxxx
Loyal user
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Posted: Aug 8, 2003 2:01pm
Keith,
Thanks for the reply. It's not that I want to hide it so badly but I figure that people would look at it in a negative way, which would therefore affect the way they see my magic. Am I wrong?
Also, I think it could be distracting. Like I said, it's on my forearm. Imagine me doing card manipulations/close-up with it showing. What do you or anyone else think?
Oh, no, the tattoo is not inappropriate, it shows a name and a date.
Any other thoughts/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
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paraguppie
Elite user
Rapid City South Dakota!
411 Posts
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Posted: Aug 9, 2003 1:58pm
I could be wrong, but I don't think it's a big deal. Then again, I work with 125 other firefighters and I would say a third have tattoos. It's very popular with firefighters here for some reason.
I guess some people might feel that it's a negative thing, but I think those people would be the minority now. Tattoos have become much more accepted in the last few years from what I have seen. Anyway, just my thoughts. Good luck with whatever you decide to do with it. 
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marko
Inner circle
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Posted: Aug 9, 2003 4:33pm
I wouldn't worry about if it's just a tattoo of a name and date. I don't think anyone would care, I wouldn't. If it was a flaming skull with snakes coming out of its eyes, that might be different. That could be distracting. But this doesn't sound like a big deal.
Sidenote: Ricky Jay has a couple of tattoos on his arm. He doesn't seem to make any effort to hide them despite the fact that they are visible when he rolls up his sleeves and performs. No one seems to care.
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zombieboy
Special user
Connecticut, USA
889 Posts
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Posted: Aug 9, 2003 6:43pm
Have you seen Reed McClintock?
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Nicholas J. Johnson
Inner circle
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Posted: Aug 9, 2003 7:32pm
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On 2003-08-09 13:58, paraguppie wrote:
I could be wrong, but I don't think it's a big deal. Then again, I work with 125 other firefighters and I would say a third have tattoos. It's very popular with firefighters here for some reason.
I guess some people might feel that it's a negative thing, but I think those people would be the minority now. Tattoos have become much more accepted in the last few years from what I have seen. Anyway, just my thoughts. Good luck with whatever you decide to do with it.
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I love the fact you are a firefighter and your hands are on fire!!! 
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RandyStewart
Inner circle
Texas (USA)
1991 Posts
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Posted: Aug 10, 2003 1:18am
I wear $3,000 worth of custom work on entire left side of chest and lower body. Yes I refer to tattoos. The inkwork began in Georgia and was added to in Korea and Louisiana.
My ink work is extremely important to me and can't imagine living without it. It's that important to me. You may consider having your piece removed if you are that self-conscious about it.
Despite the extensive work on my own body, I have an option to show it in public or not depending on type of shirt.
Trust me I've been to the same restaurant with a "wife beater" shirt exposing tats and asked to leave. On the other hand, showing up at same location in a shirt, tie, and jacket (as I do in most settings) gets me somewhat of a red carpet and table treatment away from the crowd just as I like it.
It's a good deal.
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Diavo
Veteran user
The District
353 Posts
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Posted: Oct 4, 2003 2:24pm
Depending on the size, you could either have a (large?) band-aid or one of those flesh colored wraps for when you sprain your ankle...
A girl I worked with once was a cashier with a large tat on her leg, which was unacceptable to the store. It was summer and hot, so she just used the wrap to cover it...
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Ron Reid
Inner circle
Phoenix, Arizona
2677 Posts
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Posted: Oct 4, 2003 7:10pm
Hi Roy:
Yes, I think you're wise in covering it up. I don't know what type of clientèle you perform for, so it may be alright, but many people still react negatively to tattoos and the last thing you want to do is offend a paying client. Say, why take the chance on something like that? It doesn't sound like the tattoo has anything to do with your act, so I say cover it up. Just my humble opinion; others may disagree.
Ron
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marctheamazing
New user
Gainesville, FL
4 Posts
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Posted: Oct 7, 2003 11:39pm
I also suggest covering it up. Obviously you're self-conscious about it, which does affect your confidence level and thus, the strength of your performance. If sleeves are not an option, visit your local costume shop. The odds are good that they have a good tattoo concealer makeup. The costume store where I live carries it all the time and sells a lot of it. Mehron is a company that makes a very good concealer. The pigment is very dense and it's available in a palette with different shades so you can mix to match your skin tone.
Additionally, the costume shop should also have a setting powder that will make the makeup resistant to sweat and water and not rub off on clothing. It'll come off with cold cream or makeup remover.
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Chezaday
Inner circle
Naperville, IL
1612 Posts
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Posted: Oct 12, 2003 12:35am
Here's another topic that hits home with me...Tattoos. It's all part of my look, rock and roll that is. I've got a lightning bolt on my right shoulder and it's easy enough to see, as I don't wear sleeves. Spandex and leather, that's my outfit.
Steve
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xxxRoyxxx
Loyal user
218 Posts
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Posted: Oct 12, 2003 11:39am
I just want to thank everyone for their replies. I guess it just depends on the audience; I recently performed for a group that would be considered the "elite" of our city and they had NO PROBLEM whatsoever about it. I was even performing close-up magic!!!
Anyhow, if anyone else has this same problem, I found a simple solution. I got the idea from the Shimada tapes, where he wears a sock on his forearm to help his dove toss. I've tried it and it works great, as I also use tails and perform the toss.
Thanks for sharing your methods to conceal tattoos as well as your thoughts.
Roy
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magicsoup
Elite user
454 Posts
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Posted: Oct 13, 2003 1:20pm
Did you know that in Canada you can not give blood for a full year after getting a tattoo? What if people getting tattoos decided to give blood instead?
Since you already have it I say show it! Distracting tattoos could be great misdirection. You could make jokes about it.
The first video demo I saw Reed M do I thought OMG look at all those tattoos! Now think about this. If someone like that could perform for someone like me and win them over how great would that be! It sounds like a fun challenge. It wouldn't surprise me if Reed actually has stories like this.
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Nicholas J. Johnson
Inner circle
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Posted: Oct 13, 2003 6:15pm
Depending on what the tattoo is there for, you could even use it in an effect. Force the name and date and viola!
Of course, that may not be appropriate if the tattoo is a remembrance of some sort.
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Scott Ocheltree
Veteran user
363 Posts
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Posted: Oct 13, 2003 11:40pm
Anybody here ever see Reed McClintock? Amazing full-arm tattoos, plus a full deck ribbon spread across his abdomen...
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hackmonkey
Special user
England
813 Posts
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Posted: Nov 2, 2003 4:29pm
I have three tattoos myself, one being the word "magic" on my lower neck which can be seen if I wear a T-shirt or a vest. I have a large tribal tattoo on my left arm that can easily be seen if I wear a T-shirt or short sleeve shirt. Both these are easily covered by a normal long sleeve shirt, which is what I do sometimes, but I often wear a T-shirt or a tanktop when doing night club gigs or parties, depending on what sort of venue it is. But my tattoos are part of my image as a magician and I would show them off at every venue if that was appropriate.
I have done magic at some very "elite" clubs with very rich clientele, stars, business men and other club owners. I never had any problems, in fact it helps separate me from other "suit and tie" magicians. ("He didn't even have any sleeves!!" was often heard as I walked away.) I got many bookings on that fact.
I think as long as your clients know what to expect then no one should have any problems, and your tattoo sounds like nothing to worry about. I like the idea Nicholas mentioned, of using it in effect that could be your signature piece/gimmick. Luke Jermay has some thoughts on this.
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mdspark
Special user
764 Posts
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Posted: Nov 3, 2003 12:21am
When I see large tatoos on obvious body parts...I always wonder where the person did their prison time....
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kulhaq
New user
16 Posts
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Posted: Nov 6, 2003 2:29pm
I respect and admire those who have tattoos, as long as they have a story behind them (perhaps with a trick, hint, hint!) 
Krazy Kiran
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Bob Sanders
Grammar Supervisor
Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama
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Posted: Nov 8, 2003 11:02pm
If the tattoo really needs to be gone, for about $100/square inch you can solve the problem. If it is there because you want it, then it is part of you. The real test is your audience and what it does or does not do to them. What I was told as a young sailor in the US Navy was that a tattoo is a permanent reminder of temporary insanity. But they are certainly popular now. My Phi Beta Kappa niece has several. I doubt it will make her less smart or me any less proud of her.
It is also a fact that people will love you for your faults and hate you for your virtues. Audiences can be very kind when we belong to them. My wife and partner was a ballerina and is still the epitome of grace and form. On the other hand, I enjoyed being a cowboy when I could. Consequently, sometimes I limp and sometimes I don't. So it can be a very blatant comparison on stage. In 42 two years I've never had an audience mention it to me.
If manipulation is really your act and you find someone fixed on your tattoo and you decide to believe worst, there is a line we have all used at some time, "And here's a little trick I learned in prison." That tends to cash the check for them. If they laugh, you're OK.
Don't sweat the small stuff! Entertain them.
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j.g.sager
New user
11 Posts
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Posted: Nov 11, 2003 12:21am
I have two tattoos, one on my forearm and one on my wrist. I found out it doesn't matter if you have tattoos as long as it is not seen in the audience's "first impression".
What I do is start with a long sleeve shirt, give a good first impression and give them time to warm up to me. Then I roll up my sleeves so I can show them the real magic or "give 'em the good stuff" and if your first impressions are good enough and the magic is good, then I promise you they won't even care and half won't even notice you have a tattoo. I've had people I've done magic for several times who didn't notice I have a tattoo for over two weeks. 
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BonzoTheClown
Regular user
176 Posts
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Posted: Dec 15, 2003 8:52am
One night, a little worse for drink, while walking back from the bar I made a rash decision that would affect my life forever. I chanced upon a tattoo parlor. It turns out this place decided to stay open until 3 am just to catch the drunken crowd.
I told the burly, yet camp tattooist to tattoo my nose blue. When I woke up the next morning it was too late I was stuck with it. I had to give up my high flying career as a stock broker and I thought my life was ruined until one day, in a vision, a dream, Bonzo was born.
Ever since my life could not have been better. I incorporated the blue nose into my persona and have travelled all around the world and it has made me rich. I am forever identified through my blue nose rather than who I really am which is great, nobody likes the real me anyway.
There is a moral to this story: don't be afraid to tattoo your nose after a few pints of the good stuff. You won't regret it.
Please choose a different color.
Marc Climens
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xxxRoyxxx
Loyal user
218 Posts
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Posted: Dec 15, 2003 9:37am
Marc,
Is that a true story or are you just messin' around??? 
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M_Fortune
New user
9 Posts
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Posted: Dec 15, 2003 10:55am
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On 2003-12-15 08:52, BonzoTheClown wrote:
I incorporated the blue nose into my persona and have travelled all around the world and it has made me rich....
Marc Climens
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Marc
You seem familiar...
Boasting a blue nose in certain parts of Glasgow may not be such a good idea. Unless you want a good kicking of course. 
mal
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BonzoTheClown
Regular user
176 Posts
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Posted: Dec 15, 2003 11:43am
Mal. That reminds me of an old psychic joke:
How do you make a Ouija Board?
I'm sure you don't need the punch line
Lamentably the above story is true. Truth, my friends, is stranger than fiction.
Marc Climens
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M_Fortune
New user
9 Posts
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Posted: Dec 15, 2003 1:48pm
Lol, nice one.
There's also a joke waiting to be made about magicians and brown noses... 
Mal
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ninjaduffy
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england
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Posted: Dec 19, 2003 9:34pm
That can not be true. Never. If it is true you must be from the UK.
Only we have the balls for that kind of...
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Joshua Lozoff
Inner circle
Chapel Hill, NC
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Posted: Jan 13, 2004 7:19pm
This is exactly what I was thinking. So often in magic we have to turn a negative into a positive. If you've got numbers and a date on your arm, USE IT!
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On 2003-10-13 18:15, Nicholas J. Johnson wrote:
Depending on what the tattoo is there for, you could even use it in an effect. Force the name and date and viola!
Of course, that may not be appropriate if the tattoo is a remembrance of some sort.
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Joshua Lozoff
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Karl Miller
Elite user
Folsom, California
494 Posts
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Posted: Jan 23, 2004 11:28pm
If people judge you by your tattoos, that is their problem, not yours. Reed McClintock has a lot of tattoos, and he is one of the nicest guys on the planet. Maybe you should ask him about his experiences?
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Steve Pellegrino
Loyal user
224 Posts
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Posted: Mar 6, 2004 11:17pm
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On 2003-10-04 19:10, Ron Reid wrote:
Hi Roy:
Yes, I think you're wise in covering it up. I don't know what type of clientel you perform for, so it may be alright, but many people still react negatively to tattoos and the last thing you want to do is offend a paying client. Say, why take the chance on something like that? It doesn't sound like the tattoo has anything to do with your act, so I say cover it up. Just my humble opinion; others may disagree.
Ron
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Man, I came in late to this thread! No, I don't have tattoos, but Reed McClintock is a good friend and just to reply to Ron's comments about covering tattoos - Reed doesn't cover his and has many corporate clients. I even incorporated a tattoo into Reed's web site when I was redeveloping it.
I think that tattoos where probably a negative thing years ago, but not anymore. If the whole procedure of tattoos didn't scare the heck out of me, I'd probably have a couple!
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