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BenSalinas
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Posted: Apr 27, 2011 4:53pm
I learned the Aronson Stack a while ago, but never used it much. I just got Tamariz's Mnemonica and only 70 pages in, my mind is just zooming with ideas and great routines!
I cannot recommend this book strongly enough! Many of the routines are not stack-specific, so I can use the Aronson Stack.
Do you all have any favorites I should be on the look-out for?
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rjs
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Posted: Apr 27, 2011 5:32pm
At the Magic Circle Centennial gathering in 2005 Tamariz performed Mnemonicosis via a spectator's mobile phone.
He scored a bull's eye.
This wasn't a card trick; this was a miracle.
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Steven Keyl
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Posted: Apr 27, 2011 7:05pm
Ben,
This is one of my all-time favorite books. For anyone that has memorized a stack--ANY STACK--this should be required reading. Each time I re-read this book I find a couple more jewels that I had overlooked. To answer your question, and forgive my lack of brevity, my favorites are:
- Mnemonicosis
- Flying Through Thin Air
- Control in Chaos
- Carbuquillo
- Cards Called For to Pocket (Two Card version)
- Sympathy
- Face to Face/A Grand Triumph/A Predicted Triumph (Great three effect routine)
- Theft of the Century
- Exact Location
- An Assortment of Very Beautiful, Loose and Simple Ideas
- The Missing Card
- Memory Jumble
- Total Memory
- Sense of Touch
- A Card and a Number
- Any Cards Called For
- The Liar-A Classic
- T.N.T.
- Telescopic Coincidence
- Fingerprints and "Cardprints"
- Tell Me Who You're With and I'll Tell You Who You Are
- Neither Blind Nor Stupid
In truth, some of these I haven't performed in quite a while and would need to re-read them in order to get back to performance level. But at some point I have performed all of the effects listed and though I'm no Tamariz (who is, right?) they have never failed to impress.
Steven Keyl
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Vlad_77
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Posted: Apr 27, 2011 10:55pm
Ben!
I was wondering if you ever bought Mnemonica!! Steven Keyl's list is a fine start from that book, and, you will put a SERIOUS hurtin' on John B. LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Vlad
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BenSalinas
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Posted: Apr 28, 2011 10:36am
Wow, I just performed All Of A Kind (the Stack Makes Good routine) on p95. WOW!
RJS, Mnemonicosis reads like a miracle, can't wait to try it out.
Steven, thanks for the list!
Vlad, yeah I'm a little slow to get to the good stuff. I still have the list of books you recommended to me over. I am slowly getting them.
Ole' Blake will have to change his Depends.
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Steven Keyl
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Posted: Apr 28, 2011 1:24pm
Just to clarify a point for anyone else stumbling across this thread. The list of effects above can be done with any stack, not just the Tamariz stack. I don't use the Tamariz stack but since MOST of the routines are stack-independent it doesn't matter.
One nice thing about the layout of the book is that the stack-dependent routines are in their own chapters. So if you don't use the Tamariz stack you can just skip over them.
Steven Keyl
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BarryFernelius
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Posted: Apr 28, 2011 1:32pm
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On 2011-04-27 17:32, rjs wrote:
At the Magic Circle Centennial gathering in 2005 Tamariz performed Mnemonicosis via a spectator's mobile phone.
He scored a bull's eye.
This wasn't a card trick; this was a miracle.
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And this is not a matter of luck. At MagicCon San Diego 2010, for an audience composed of both magicians and their friends, Tamariz also performed Mnemonicosis using (you guessed it) a spectator's cell phone. The reaction to this effect brought down the house.
I saw a group of 250 people gasp, applaud, laugh and play air violin. Truly, this was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen!
"I don't teach people stories about the coyote for them to tell. I AM the coyote. They tell stories about me."
-Pop Haydn
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Damon Zale
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Posted: Apr 28, 2011 5:01pm
I am impressed you memorized a stack and didn't use it for a while, once I did it , I got obsessed with that kind of magic , probably at expense of other stuff (warning). Mnemonics is my #1, most favorite book bar none. Barry , are you aware of any recordings of Tamariz performing Mnemonicosis (while speaking English)? I saw him do a couple of effects from the book at a lecture video but not that one.
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JorgeRamos
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Posted: Apr 28, 2011 7:36pm
He did it with the phone at this years world magic seminar and it was crazy. I bought mnemonica right after that, still going through the huge amount of stuff in the book.
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BarryFernelius
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Posted: Apr 29, 2011 11:54am
I'm not aware of any recordings of Juan Tamariz performing Mnemonicosis while speaking English.
"I don't teach people stories about the coyote for them to tell. I AM the coyote. They tell stories about me."
-Pop Haydn
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BenSalinas
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Posted: Apr 29, 2011 12:29pm
Dmitriy - I am getting a bit obsessed. I spent a 2.5 hour car ride last night talking about the book and stack tricks.
So far my favorites are: Three Piles, All of A Kind, Crown Jewels, and Mnemonicosis.
Thank you all so much for the ideas!
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moualb
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Posted: Apr 29, 2011 2:21pm
Apart from all the above ideas, what I really enjoyed is the chapter on the half stack. I know, it may sound obvious, but until I read it I did not realize that even if you destroy half of your deck you still can produce some miracles with the other half including A card and a number.
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Damon Zale
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Posted: May 5, 2011 5:32pm
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On 2011-04-29 12:29, BenSalinas wrote:
Dmitriy - I am getting a bit obsessed. I spent a 2.5 hour car ride last night talking about the book and stack tricks.
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Ben, I am jealous you got a willing listener, and for 2.5 hours no less! 
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Dennis Loomis
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Posted: May 5, 2011 6:47pm
Mnemonicosis is a great effect, but will require lots of practice to do it well. This is a "Thinking on your feet" effect along the lines of Vernon's "Trick That Can't Be Explained." But, Mnemonicosis is easier because you have the memorized deck to help you out.
Getting the spectator to make that initial cut properly, without tipping how important that is, is the key. The next most important thing is to have the names and possibly nicknames of as many spectators as possible. That gives you quite a bit of leeway in spelling into either of the packets. I am fortunate in that my first name can cover a lot of territory. If I need six or seven letters, I can spell "Dennis" and go with the card that comes up with the "S" or I can spell "Dennis" and turn the next card. However, my friends and family also call me "Denny" or "Den" which also makes it easy to spell to 3, 4, 5, and 6 cards down in either stack. Sure, I would rather use a spectator's name, particularly the one that selects the card... but knowing that my name will bail me out most of the time gives me the confidence to do the effect. Tamariz says, in Mnemonica, that Mnemonicosis is the best thing in the book.
Remember, you can always leave out the cut. You merely have a card named with the deck sitting on the table. This leaves you open to the possibility that the card will be on the top or bottom, which is another miracle, or that the card will be near the top or bottom and you can count or spell to it with ease. Also, be sure to figure out and remember what card will appear if you spell your full name. In my case, If I spell to "Dennis Richard Loomis" from the top of the Aronson Stack I end on the Seven of Spades, and with the "Next Card" ploy I can also get to the Five of Spades. From the bottom, I can get to the Jack of Hearts or the Jack of Clubs the same way.
The use of a cell phone (they're everywhere these days) can definitely strengthen the effect. How the heck can you read the mind of someone who's not even as your show?
Juan Tamariz is truly a genius and Mnemonicosis may be the epitome of his work.
Dennis Loomis
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BenSalinas
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Posted: May 9, 2011 9:58am
Thanks Dennis.
I always have my name ready to get me to the card, and I take a few seconds to run through all the variations of the spectator's name as well. I have had all direct hits and 2 "got-it-but-not-in-a-pretty-way" hits. I think I'm ready to go at it with the cell phone.
Your resources for the Memorized Stack are fantastic (http://dennisloomis.com/memdeck/index.html)! I love Eyeless in Gaza, but now that I can get into it from Aronson, it's a worker!
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Vlad_77
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Posted: May 9, 2011 1:13pm
Ben,
Are you talking about Stephen Minch's Eyeless in Gaza?
Your partner in nefariousness,
Vlad
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Steven Keyl
Inner circle
Washington, D.C.
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Posted: May 9, 2011 7:11pm
Yes, he is talking about Minch's Eyeless in Gaza. Dennis wrote an article detailing the changes necessary to use it with the Aronson stack. You can find it here:
http://dennisloomis.com/memdeck/memdeck04.html
Steven Keyl
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BenSalinas
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Posted: May 9, 2011 10:57pm
Oh yeah, Vlad! Great piece. It's a jaw-dropping complete act. Dennis has a method for getting into it from the Aronson Stack which fits perfectly into my plan...to take over the world.
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TheStoner
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Posted: May 22, 2011 11:37am
There's always something new and exciting in Mnemonica. It's the main book that I dip into when needing some new inspiration and ideas. A must have book for all card workers!
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helder
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Posted: Dec 21, 2011 2:48pm
This book it's great and Juan Tamariz a genius. It seems that I have lot of work to do with this book. Start reading at 2 weeks.
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ebusojar
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Posted: Dec 22, 2011 9:27am
Hey Ben,
I LOVE this stack - Tamariz is simply one of the best thinkers in magic (plus a lot of the outside ideas are amazing as well).
Personally, my go-tos out of Mnemonica are Control in Chaos, Neither Blind Nor Silly, and Carbuquillo (the idea of a completely made up game appeals to me a lot!). I also mess around with some different variations of ACAAN, and recently I've been trying to come up with a good presentation for Answering Computer.
Honestly, I've never read a book with so many incredible (and workable!) effects.
Let us know which gems you come across next!
Evan
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Steven Youell
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Posted: Dec 25, 2011 7:46pm
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On 2011-04-29 14:21, moualb wrote:
Apart from all the above ideas, what I really enjoyed is the chapter on the half stack. I know, it may sound obvious, but until I read it I did not realize that even if you destroy half of your deck you still can produce some miracles with the other half including A card and a number. |
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I came up with that idea and have been lecturing/publishing it since the late 80's/early 90's...does anyone know when Juan first published it?
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Steven Youell
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Posted: Dec 25, 2011 8:47pm
Spoke with Stephen Minch-- my work precedes Juan's, but Ravelli published the basic concept in 1963. (Ibidem).
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eric6
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Posted: Jan 15, 2012 9:53am
Please could someone tell me what is the purpose of the cell phon in conjonction with Mnemonicosis ?
What is different from the original?
Thanks before hand
Eric
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Jeff Hinchliffe
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Posted: Jan 15, 2012 10:57pm
Eric,
The inclusion of a cell phone in the effect is simply a psychological tool for increasing the impact. The theory is that by having the person 'thinking of a card' not even present for the effect, the fairness level is increased. As well, the physical scale of the trick is enhanced, and this combined with the fairness makes the effect even stronger. On a side note, this same tactic can be used with the invisible deck, making the impact of that already strong effect even stronger as well.
Jeff
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eric6
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Posted: Jan 16, 2012 7:16am
Thanks for your fast repyi Jeff
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