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scott0819

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Toronto, Ont.
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Posted: Jul 18, 2011 10:04am    Reply with quote   View Profile of scott0819  

Looks like Canada's paper money, $50's and $100's at least, will not be around much longer. Can any Australian or South American Café members comment on how difficult these new bills are to work with? On the upside, maybe there will be new effects possible since part of the new bills are see-through. Check them out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X_hw8ze5qo
Dr_J_Ayala

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Posted: Jul 18, 2011 11:06am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Dr_J_Ayala  

I am excited to see what things can be done with these new bills when they come out. I am not a Canadian citizen but I live 15 minutes outside of Windsor in the U.S. and I have a lot of fun playing with Canadian currency. I am sure there will be plenty of applications possible, but knowing how easy they will be to handle or work with can only come with time.
hackmonkey

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Posted: Jul 19, 2011 6:12am    Reply with quote   View Profile of hackmonkey  

Yep these are looking just like Ozzie notes, clear window and all.
The only effect using the see-through bit I could come up with is wrapping a card in the note, then using it to visibly change a card. Like the card index being seen through the plastic window,then flicking it and the index changes?

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Dr_J_Ayala

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Posted: Jul 19, 2011 8:08am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Dr_J_Ayala  

Though it might still be on the messy side (I enjoy performing it often myself) but these bills should stand up better to a Bill in Lemon effect. All the better that they are larger bills because the audience is always on edge when you borrow anything of theirs, and ever more so when it is a bill of large denomination...

The clear section of the bill could be used for lots of change-effects. I like the idea for the pip change as mentioned by hackmonkey. At least in my head, the clear section of the bill could be played on with an Alice in Wonderland "Through the Looking Glass" mentality - a world where strange things happen all the time. Even if the window is only translucent, it would still work!
scott0819

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Posted: Jul 19, 2011 9:12am    Reply with quote   View Profile of scott0819  

I'm wondering how difficult these new bills will be to fold. Could you even fold it tight enough to do the $100 bill switch or bill in lemon? Extreme Burn, Greed, Mislead; these are other ones I'm worried about.
Dr_J_Ayala

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Posted: Jul 19, 2011 11:26am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Dr_J_Ayala  

I am betting the folding part will not be so bad, but getting a good crease and making them stay may be an issue. Good point Scott!
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Posted: Jul 19, 2011 1:35pm    Mike Maturen is on-line  Reply with quote   View Profile of Mike Maturen  

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On 2011-07-19 11:26, Dr_J_Ayala wrote:
I am betting the folding part will not be so bad, but getting a good crease and making them stay may be an issue. Good point Scott!


That's what they make steam irons for!

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Dr_J_Ayala

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Posted: Jul 19, 2011 5:13pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Dr_J_Ayala  

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On 2011-07-19 13:35, Mike Maturen wrote:
Quote:

On 2011-07-19 11:26, Dr_J_Ayala wrote:
I am betting the folding part will not be so bad, but getting a good crease and making them stay may be an issue. Good point Scott!


That's what they make steam irons for!


That would be true for a pre-set. But for impromptu/borrowed bill effects, I think that may be a challenge?
Bill Hegbli

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Posted: Jul 21, 2011 12:32am    Bill Hegbli is on-line  Reply with quote   View Profile of Bill Hegbli  

They are certainly beautiful bills. I wonder if instead of burning, do they just melt.

Maybe someone will come up with a black art principle effect using the windows. Sort of like the Chinatown quarter or half dollar coins.
CasualSoul

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Edmonton, Canada
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Posted: Feb 15, 2012 4:13pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of CasualSoul  

With the transition to plastic money in Canada well underway, does anyone have any insights on which effects will be unworkable now? I haven't had time to experiment yet myself, but some of my favorite paper money effects like Extreme Burn and the Juan Pablo bill switch look like they won't be viable with the new bills.

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liampower

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Posted: Feb 16, 2012 4:02am    Reply with quote   View Profile of liampower  

First of all I'm stoked with all your creative magicians maybe they can come up with new effects, methods with plastic money. They don't stay folded very well although if you want to do some pre folding leave them between some heavy books overnight and it works pretty well. They don't burn, they melt shrivel up like a chip packet if you put it in the oven. Most billswitches are possible, extreme burn is harder but doable but I haven't been able to do the Juan Pablo bill switch. They hold up pretty well if you want to stick them in a lemon though.

oh and don't do what Mike Maturen says the'll melt
Al Angello

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Posted: Feb 16, 2012 11:04am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Al Angello  

A steam iron on a plastic bill sounds like you will wind up with a charred shrunken, or worse yet liquid bill to me. With those windows you can't do Hundy 500 either.

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Pete Biro

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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 8:03pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Pete Biro  

Without seeing where the window is, you could do Hundy's etc. by having bills alternating. ???

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Al Angello

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Posted: Feb 21, 2012 10:29pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Al Angello  

Pete
The bills have holes on both sides.

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Daz Buckley

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Posted: Feb 27, 2012 12:27am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Daz Buckley  

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On 2011-07-19 09:12, scott0819 wrote:
I'm wondering how difficult these new bills will be to fold. Could you even fold it tight enough to do the $100 bill switch or bill in lemon? Extreme Burn, Greed, Mislead; these are other ones I'm worried about.


They are harder to keep folded, but it is possible and you can certainly perform a bill swithch or bill to lemon. I perform both these effects regularly.
It is really about using the benefits of the new type of bill. For example, many magicians produce a bill from flash paper and with paper currency it appears as a rolled up piece of paper. With a polymer bill it is harder to p**m out, but when it is produced the "memory" of the polymer makes the bill un-fold in your hand, which has a quite eerie and magical appearance.
Don't stress too badly about the clear window either. You will find ways to perform around that and , as some have already said, it can lead to other effects that you couldn't do without it.
EliotGilbert

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Posted: Mar 7, 2012 2:27pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of EliotGilbert  

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On 2012-02-15 16:13, CasualSoul wrote:
With the transition to plastic money in Canada well underway, does anyone have any insights on which effects will be unworkable now? I haven't had time to experiment yet myself, but some of my favorite paper money effects like Extreme Burn and the Juan Pablo bill switch look like they won't be viable with the new bills.



I think Extreme Burn (or any effect where bills are not borrowed) will still be able to be performed no matter what. The way I see it, worst comes to worse, the new polymer bills are unusable for that type of effect, but you can always use paper bills and justify it. For example, you could say something like "Do you know the real reason why Canadian bills are polymer now? Truth is, the paper ones were way too easy to counterfeit" and then proceed to do Extreme Burn.

In regards to the effects where you borrow a bill, I can't really say one way or the other, but I am hoping all goes well!
chappelly

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Posted: Mar 13, 2012 6:13pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of chappelly  

Quote:

On 2012-02-15 16:13, CasualSoul wrote:
With the transition to plastic money in Canada well underway, does anyone have any insights on which effects will be unworkable now? I haven't had time to experiment yet myself, but some of my favorite paper money effects like Extreme Burn and the Juan Pablo bill switch look like they won't be viable with the new bills.



Most bill tricks work fine with polymer notes.

Bill Switches
Self Folding Bill When not in use I keep in a card press to keep the creases.
Cut/Restored note
Penetration Effects

I haven't been able to use these notes for Extreme Burn. They work fine for Slow Burn.
If they come into contact with fire, obviously they melt very quickly.
They don't rip,they have to be cut.

Chappelly
Daz Buckley

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Australia
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Posted: Mar 16, 2012 12:45am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Daz Buckley  

Just to let everyone know, you cannot perform Extreme Burn with these notes. However, watch this forum for some news soon. All this talk has got me working on a version that will work for Polymer bills. It will not be able to be done as a change from banknote to banknote, but will be a startling change anyway. I am just waiting for my printer to get back to me on time and price and I will let everyone know the effect.
jamesbond

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Posted: Aug 18, 2012 8:50pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of jamesbond  

Anyone can point me to any routines available on the web for these bills? thanks!

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chappelly

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Posted: Aug 18, 2012 9:04pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of chappelly  

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On 2012-03-16 00:45, Daz Buckley wrote:
Just to let everyone know, you cannot perform Extreme Burn with these notes. However, watch this forum for some news soon. All this talk has got me working on a version that will work for Polymer bills. It will not be able to be done as a change from banknote to banknote, but will be a startling change anyway. I am just waiting for my printer to get back to me on time and price and I will let everyone know the effect.



Any news on this Daz?
Alan Munro

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Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA
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Posted: Aug 22, 2012 9:12am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Alan Munro  

Quote:

On 2012-02-16 11:04, Al Angello wrote:
A steam iron on a plastic bill sounds like you will wind up with a charred shrunken, or worse yet liquid bill to me. With those windows you can't do Hundy 500 either.


One thing to try is to put a cloth between the iron and the bill. It may improve the results.

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