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rogue999
New user
14 Posts
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Posted: Aug 26, 2011 12:20pm
I have a question. Are magicians who do card tricks good at poker and other card games? Do they win a lot?
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alibaba
Loyal user
Hawaii
280 Posts
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Posted: Aug 26, 2011 5:43pm
Not this one.
I'm as real as you think I am
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JanPieter
New user
13 Posts
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Posted: Aug 27, 2011 5:49am
It depends. When you speak about "poker", do you mean "honest" poker? 
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rogue999
New user
14 Posts
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Posted: Aug 27, 2011 6:25am
Poker at home, with friends.
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panlives
Inner circle
2088 Posts
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Posted: Aug 27, 2011 5:37pm
No.
"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
"The dog did nothing in the night-time."
"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.
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taiga
Loyal user
Chicoutimi, Qc
299 Posts
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Posted: Aug 28, 2011 1:15am
I am the worst card player you ever met! My brother in law try to show me once how to play a simple game of card. He surrender after two hours of explanations.
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Edmark Law
New user
Philippines
55 Posts
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Posted: Aug 28, 2011 2:48am
It depends on the skill level of the magician.
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JanPieter
New user
13 Posts
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Posted: Aug 28, 2011 4:53am
I do, having fun cooling decks, stacking and peeking with underground methods.
But nobody wants to play with me anymore...
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panlives
Inner circle
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Posted: Aug 29, 2011 8:05am
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On 2011-08-28 04:53, JanPieter wrote:
I do, having fun cooling decks, stacking and peeking with underground methods.
But nobody wants to play with me anymore...
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If it is a home game (your own home) in which you control the variables, the heat is less potent.
But playing under fire at someone else’s table?
I say again – no.
"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
"The dog did nothing in the night-time."
"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.
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Vlad_77
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The Netherlands
3979 Posts
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Posted: Aug 29, 2011 11:10am
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On 2011-08-29 08:05, panlives wrote:
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On 2011-08-28 04:53, JanPieter wrote:
I do, having fun cooling decks, stacking and peeking with underground methods.
But nobody wants to play with me anymore...
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If it is a home game (your own home) in which you control the variables, the heat is less potent.
But playing under fire at someone else’s table?
I say again – no.
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I agree. Sleights in the magic world allow us to present the illusion of control over the outcome of the deal. But remember also that our magic is performed under ideal conditions; these same conditions are NOT afforded the mechanic. Don't take my word for it. Ask people like AMcD, Ortiz, Turner, Forte, Piacente, and others. If a magician flubs an effect the WORST that happens is derisive laughter. If a mechanic misses ...
Ahimsa,
Vlad
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MagicJuggler
Special user
Anchorage, AK
918 Posts
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Posted: Aug 30, 2011 5:59am
I don't cheat at cards, and apart from a couple card games that I enjoy periodically, I don't play. I would say the majority of card magicians wouldn't be able to convincingly cheat in a game. Learning a few gambling demonstrations does not a hustler make.
Actually the only time I have ever cheated in a game, was when I worked at a behavioral hospital for children, and a kid insisted on playing a game of war with me. I hate that game, so I culled all the good cards to the bottom of the deck, and bottom dealt the cards to the kid. He won the game, and the game only took three minutes, so he felt like he accomplished something, and I accomplished not having to play a long drawn out game of war. 
Matthew Olsen
www.mattolsenmagic.com
I heard from a friend that anecdotal evidence is actually quite reliable.
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JamieUK
Regular user
119 Posts
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Posted: Sep 1, 2011 4:23am
I have NEVER beaten my grandmother at cards.
Grandmother beats magician every time.
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J.Warrens
Inner circle
Canada
1044 Posts
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Posted: Sep 17, 2011 12:00am
I don't play cards at all - except for crib. No fun cheating in a "fun" game. Totally takes away the reason for playing in the first place.
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jvickers
New user
38 Posts
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Posted: Sep 22, 2011 6:36am
Anyone who repeats the addage that it´s soooooo much harder to cheat in a home game than perform a magic trick clearly hasn´t tried the former. Cheating has a more elitist reputation than it deserves (with certain exceptions).
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RS1963
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Posted: Nov 20, 2011 4:34pm
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On 2011-09-22 06:36, jvickers wrote:
Anyone who repeats the addage that it´s soooooo much harder to cheat in a home game than perform a magic trick clearly hasn´t tried the former. Cheating has a more elitist reputation than it deserves (with certain exceptions).
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Incorrect. Most magicians that say that they could or can cheat in a game and get the money. Are lying
Also Jvickers your comment is obviously coming from someone that has no idea what it would be like to cheat in a home game. If you come back on and try to say you have and do get the money you're lying.
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brehaut
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kentucky
1907 Posts
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Posted: Nov 20, 2011 9:21pm
I was at Mindvention in Vegas. I play a lot of blackjack (use to count cards a long time ago). Most people would think a casino would be nervous of having a group of mentalist at their casino (all you have to do is predict red or black). The funny thing--I never saw anyone else in the casino! That should tell you something. By the way, I won a good deal of money, got everything comped, and bought a bunch of new effects
Twitter: @GSBKY and Author of "Inspired"
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goatears
Loyal user
214 Posts
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Posted: Nov 21, 2011 4:38pm
I love card games. I don't gamble at all outside of demonstration. Magic does help but not too significantly. For instance in Canasta we play that you get a bonus if you can cut exactly 22 cards off the deck. Because I'm used to cutting 26 for a faro shuffle I can usually get 22 every 3 of 4 tries.
Other than that I can't see anything that really helps me play any better.
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landmark
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By now they've deleted all but
3000 Posts
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Posted: Nov 27, 2011 7:56am
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On 2011-09-01 04:23, JamieUK wrote:
I have NEVER beaten my grandmother at cards.
Grandmother beats magician every time.
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I have some shocking but important news for you: the woman you call your grandmother is actually a 42 year old male Moldavian exile, a cigar-smoking, whiskey-guzzling career criminal, Hell's Angel, and cardsharp named Jimmy "The Enforcer" Cassidy. Just a heads-up there.
Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.
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jasonmcconnie
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canada
51 Posts
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Posted: Dec 16, 2011 12:25am
Brilliant idea!;
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On 2011-08-30 05:59, MagicJuggler wrote:
Actually the only time I have ever cheated in a game, was when I worked at a behavioral hospital for children, and a kid insisted on playing a game of war with me. I hate that game, so I culled all the good cards to the bottom of the deck, and bottom dealt the cards to the kid. He won the game, and the game only took three minutes, so he felt like he accomplished something, and I accomplished not having to play a long drawn out game of war.
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dbriegs
New user
NJ
60 Posts
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 9:44pm
I'm actually a very serious card player. Have won many poker tournaments. But magic and poker have absolutely nothing to do with one another, other than the cards.
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freewayh
Regular user
Mexico
112 Posts
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Posted: Jan 24, 2012 7:40pm
From my point of view anyone who is know to be able to handle card with magic, rises suspicion when playing cards, especially when you get good hands in consecutive rows, at least it happens to me so when I play they don't let me handle the cards. I bealive it would depends on the game to, some of them are pure luck.
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dbriegs
New user
NJ
60 Posts
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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 11:22pm
In any "real" poker tournament/game (at a casino or major event), players never handle any cards except the ones given them by the dealer.
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BenGGie
New user
61 Posts
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Posted: Feb 1, 2012 10:39pm
I wish, on average I think I lose more than I win.
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Chris Bianchi
New user
4 Posts
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Posted: Feb 9, 2012 5:00pm
I actually don't know how to play any card games (except for Klondike Solitaire). Obviously, I know what many Poker hands are as they are central to many effects. I've also learned most of the "lingo" associated with Poker and Blackjack primarily for performance effect. There is a difference between a magician and a card mechanic (though some individuals possess both skills).
That said, given the opportunity, I legitimately would refuse to cheat at a game of chance - unless I was confident that I was being "hustled" in some way. Most card games are for fun, and there's no fun in cheating. The one exception would be MagicJuggler's instance - entertaining a child by helping him or her to "win." It's very rewarding for a child to be able to do better than an adult at something. If you're playing repeat games and the child just isn't having luck, why not edge the game in their favor?
www.chrisbianchimagic.com
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Hushai
Veteran user
St. Louis, Missouri, USA
333 Posts
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Posted: Mar 10, 2012 12:40am
None of this, of course, makes less pleasant the standard joke in which the magicican, in the middle of a card routine, says off-handedly to a spectator, "Do you play cards?" To which the spectator replies "Not with YOU!"
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magicfish
Inner circle
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Posted: Mar 10, 2012 3:30am
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On 2011-08-26 12:20, rogue999 wrote:
I have a question. Are magicia
ns who do card tricks good at poker and other card games? Do they win a lot?
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yes.
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panlives
Inner circle
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Posted: Mar 15, 2012 7:38pm
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On 2012-03-10 03:30, magicfish wrote:
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On 2011-08-26 12:20, rogue999 wrote:
I have a question. Are magicia
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yes.
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nope.
"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
"The dog did nothing in the night-time."
"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.
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