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Kjellstrom

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Posted: Sep 25, 2011 11:57am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Kjellstrom  

Some comments about ACAAN:
http://www.geniimagazine.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=253280&page=1

http://www.matskjellstrom.se
Larry Davidson

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Posted: Sep 25, 2011 2:19pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Larry Davidson  

I believe that the "ultimate" ACAAN relies more on presentation than method. That being said, I'm not aware of any ACAAN presentation that has a deeper meaning than "look at this."
Illucifer

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Posted: Sep 28, 2011 12:29pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Illucifer  

If you don'r encumber yourself with all of the popular restrictions, you can achieve miraculous results with this effect using a borrowed, shuffled deck. Does it require skill? Yes? Balls? Absolutely. Read the new Berglas book. Larry is correct that presentation rules the day here. the reason David Berglas' effect is so legendary is because making it legendary in people's minds has been his focus, not a bunch of crazy rules.

He understands, as we all naturally should, that the perceived effect is all that matters, not what actually took place. People very rarely recall exactly what took place anyway. And on top of that, they want to remember it as the ideal. They will, with your guidance, remember it as something far more miraculous than it ever was. This is true in all cases of this effect, as it must always be built up as a miracle becauseit is far from that. A simple double-lift card change in a spectator's hand is more of a miracle than this effect. ACAAN is nothing more than a 1-in-52 shot (if it were actually being done legitimately with no control by the magician). Far from a miracle. 1-in-52 is pretty good odds, so you, as the pitchman, must sell it as a miracle.

All of that said, I am curious to see Mansilla's take on this. If Jim and Jon have his back, then I'm interested.

It's all in the reflexes.
zgecko

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Posted: Sep 28, 2011 2:14pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of zgecko  

Illucifer,

I agree with your major premise, minor premise, and...conclusion. (I guess that makes your post a 'syllogism'!)

Tom
rickhypno

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Posted: Sep 28, 2011 3:57pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of rickhypno  

Quote:

On 2011-09-25 14:19, Larry Davidson wrote:
I believe that the "ultimate" ACAAN relies more on presentation than method. That being said, I'm not aware of any ACAAN presentation that has a deeper meaning than "look at this."



Excellent thought.
Jan Walla

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Posted: Sep 29, 2011 4:29pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Jan Walla  

Anyone received this yet? I ordered it a couple of weeks ago. when is it supposed to ship?

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zgecko

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Posted: Sep 29, 2011 5:13pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of zgecko  

Jan,

I'm not aware of anyone having received it yet!

Tom
Jan Walla

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Posted: Sep 29, 2011 5:14pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Jan Walla  

Quote:

On 2011-09-25 14:19, Larry Davidson wrote:
I believe that the "ultimate" ACAAN relies more on presentation than method. That being said, I'm not aware of any ACAAN presentation that has a deeper meaning than "look at this."



That and:

- Stooging

- Instant Stooging

- Psych Force

- Pre Show

- Get Lucky


Those are in my humble opinion the ONLY 5 ways to present the ACAAN plot under the given,stringent Berglas conditions.

Magic, in essence, is the ability of conjuring spirits who help the magician accomplish astonishing feats.
-Be glad that I am not a Sorcerer...
Illucifer

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Posted: Sep 29, 2011 5:50pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Illucifer  

No. Those are not the only ways. No stooges, pre-show, or forces necessary.

It's all in the reflexes.
Jan Walla

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Posted: Sep 29, 2011 7:00pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Jan Walla  

Quote:

On 2011-09-29 17:50, Illucifer wrote:
No. Those are not the only ways. No stooges, pre-show, or forces necessary.



Not under the condition that:

- Deck is out on top

- Any card, any number named

- Performer never touches deck

- Spectator counts the cards face up

Your version probably includes performer counting or a stacked deck which is not the cleanest.

Magic, in essence, is the ability of conjuring spirits who help the magician accomplish astonishing feats.
-Be glad that I am not a Sorcerer...
doriancaudal

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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 3:59am    Reply with quote   View Profile of doriancaudal  

Quote:

On 2011-09-29 16:29, Jan Walla wrote:
Anyone received this yet? I ordered it a couple of weeks ago. when is it supposed to ship?



Roberto Mansilla sent it to me today, so as soon as I receive it (Argentina >>> France), I will do a review for all of you guys.
zgecko

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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 10:37am    Reply with quote   View Profile of zgecko  

Doriancaudal,

Thank you! We will all be looking forward to your comments!!

Tom
zgecko

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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 10:55am    Reply with quote   View Profile of zgecko  

I guess that means it will be available to all of us...SOON !!!

Tom
brehaut

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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 11:35am    Reply with quote   View Profile of brehaut  

Quote:

On 2011-09-30 03:59, doriancaudal wrote:
Quote:

On 2011-09-29 16:29, Jan Walla wrote:
Anyone received this yet? I ordered it a couple of weeks ago. when is it supposed to ship?



Roberto Mansilla sent it to me today, so as soon as I receive it (Argentina >>> France), I will do a review for all of you guys.



Very much looking forward to the review. I have preordered this

Twitter: @GSBKY and Author of "Inspired"
Antera

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Posted: Oct 4, 2011 4:40am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Antera  

Looking at the video it looks similar to a version that I use where the "Any Card" is that named by the performer and the number is named by the spec. By looking at the final spread of cards leads me to think that its a similar method..maybe its not that new then but ill have to order the VD to find out. The spec can shuffle as well but he cant name the card in my own version , the laws of physics are here to stay then for amateur mortals like myself.

There are other applications of the method as well to other classic card tricks, indeed if its what I think it is
doriancaudal

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Posted: Oct 4, 2011 6:15am    Reply with quote   View Profile of doriancaudal  

Roberto Mansilla sent me the DVD yesterday by UPS. As soon as I get it (it shouldn't be long), I will do a short review.
Cheers
brehaut

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Posted: Oct 4, 2011 6:44am    Reply with quote   View Profile of brehaut  

Quote:

On 2011-10-04 06:15, doriancaudal wrote:
Roberto Mansilla sent me the DVD yesterday by UPS. As soon as I get it (it shouldn't be long), I will do a short review.
Cheers



Terrfic--look forward to hearing your thoughts

Twitter: @GSBKY and Author of "Inspired"
AWESOME

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Posted: Oct 4, 2011 8:21am    Reply with quote   View Profile of AWESOME  

This is a different video than I saw before of Eureka X. In this the magician is revealing the card at the end, and you can see how the cards end up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycHNt8biJuE
Potty the Pirate

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Posted: Oct 4, 2011 8:49am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Potty the Pirate  

Assuming that the effect is presented under "test conditions" (i.e. spectator is the only one who handles the cards, at any time, cards can be verified as a regular deck, number is freely chosen, and spectator counts the cards himself), I've always doubted that spectators perceive any difference between "ACAAN" and "Card at any number". And the latter has many simply incredible ways to achieve this result, which in my opinion outstrip the very best ACAAN presentations.
I'll read with interest the reviews on this latest take on the plot.
Potty

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Antera

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Posted: Oct 4, 2011 11:45am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Antera  

Quite

My bet that is Eureka is a CAAN plot , lets face it a lot of Adverts play with semantics and if the spec shuffles then its a done deal so to speak that he cant name any card unless the Magi gets his mits on the pack .

also
probably a few discrepant moments.. around three at a guess
AWESOME

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Posted: Oct 5, 2011 10:10am    Reply with quote   View Profile of AWESOME  

Quote:

On 2011-10-04 11:45, Antera wrote:
Quite

My bet that is Eureka is a CAAN plot , lets face it a lot of Adverts play with semantics and if the spec shuffles then its a done deal so to speak that he cant name any card unless the Magi gets his mits on the pack .

also
probably a few discrepant moments.. around three at a guess



The ad for Eureka explicitly states "Any Card" can be chosen using an ordinary deck with no deck switches, although I remember controversy with Bob Farmer's BAMMO Deckronomicon when he lied in his ad for that, so who knows.
Jan Walla

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Posted: Oct 6, 2011 12:44am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Jan Walla  

Still haven't received mine. Hope this doesn't turn into another Godot drama...

Magic, in essence, is the ability of conjuring spirits who help the magician accomplish astonishing feats.
-Be glad that I am not a Sorcerer...
zgecko

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Posted: Oct 6, 2011 8:48am    Reply with quote   View Profile of zgecko  

At least in GODOT, the 'wait' was entertaining!

Tom
doriancaudal

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Posted: Oct 6, 2011 9:59am    Reply with quote   View Profile of doriancaudal  

I will receive mine this week-end, and immediately write a review, so don't worry!
zgecko

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Posted: Oct 6, 2011 10:35am    Reply with quote   View Profile of zgecko  

Doriancaudal,

Thank you, again!

Tom
AWESOME

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Posted: Oct 6, 2011 3:46pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of AWESOME  

Hocus Pocus now has this in stock.
zgecko

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Posted: Oct 6, 2011 4:37pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of zgecko  

Lo and behold! Let the reviews begin!!
(It's available through Murphy's, so I suspect all the major dealers will have it.)

Tom
doriancaudal

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Posted: Oct 7, 2011 12:09pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of doriancaudal  

Received today! I will do my reveiw later on during the week-end
doriancaudal

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Posted: Oct 7, 2011 7:10pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of doriancaudal  

As promised, here is my review (sorry for my english, I am french):

The DVD is very nicely made and it is a plesaure to watch it (either in spanish, or in english). There are two presentations of the effect: one in a close-up situation, and the other one in a parlor situation. Both versions are beautiful, and very clean. I was fooled! I watched them several times before watching the explanations, because it was so good to enjoy the moment of not knowing the secret This ACAAN is perfect for several people (minimum 3-4 people).
The explanations are very clear (presented in a dialogue form, so it is clear to follow everything as Roberto explains). Then there is a summary of the explanations, step by step. At the end, Roberto talks about the genesis and evolution of the effect in his mind. He was inspired by the greatest magicians (his crediting is excellent), and constructed progressively his own method. He explains several ideas, several versions (that he tried or not), and everyone can find one which will suit his own style and personnality.
Here is a summary of the conditions for this ACAAN:

1 - Shuffled deck before the effect, put back in the case, that is placed on the table before the effect begins. Choices of the card and the number occur later.
2 - Freely chosen card
3 - Freely chosen number (only one small restriction, but it will be unnoticed thanks to Roberto's presentational tips)
4 - Normal deck
5 - Almost no mental calculations (no stack)
6 - Almost no deck manipulation by the magician
7 - The magicians distributes the cards until the chosen number, in a fluid way.
10 - The chosen card is at the specific numer, not just before, or just after.
11 - Magician or spectator can turn the card at the chosen number.

This DVD is excellent, Roberto is a very sympathic guy, his ACAAN version is fresh and dynamic. If I had to rate hit, I would put... no I just find sooo stupid to give a mark for a release or a DVD! It is a version I will definitely use. It comes into my favourite ACAANs effects next to MTB by John Born.
Congratulations Roberto!
AWESOME

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Posted: Oct 7, 2011 7:59pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of AWESOME  

Quote:

On 2011-10-07 19:10, doriancaudal wrote:
As promised, here is my review (sorry for my english, I am french):

The DVD is very nicely made and it is a plesaure to watch it (either in spanish, or in english). There are two presentations of the effect: one in a close-up situation, and the other one in a parlor situation. Both versions are beautiful, and very clean. I was fooled! I watched them several times before watching the explanations, because it was so good to enjoy the moment of not knowing the secret This ACAAN is perfect for several people (minimum 3-4 people).
The explanations are very clear (presented in a dialogue form, so it is clear to follow everything as Roberto explains). Then there is a summary of the explanations, step by step. At the end, Roberto talks about the genesis and evolution of the effect in his mind. He was inspired by the greatest magicians (his crediting is excellent), and constructed progressively his own method. He explains several ideas, several versions (that he tried or not), and everyone can find one which will suit his own style and personnality.
Here is a summary of the conditions for this ACAAN:

1 - Shuffled deck before the effect, put back in the case, that is placed on the table before the effect begins. Choices of the card and the number occur later.
2 - Freely chosen card
3 - Freely chosen number (only one small restriction, but it will be unnoticed thanks to Roberto's presentational tips)
4 - Normal deck
5 - Almost no mental calculations (no stack)
6 - Almost no deck manipulation by the magician
7 - The magicians distributes the cards until the chosen number, in a fluid way.
10 - The chosen card is at the specific numer, not just before, or just after.
11 - Magician or spectator can turn the card at the chosen number.

This DVD is excellent, Roberto is a very sympathic guy, his ACAAN version is fresh and dynamic. If I had to rate hit, I would put... no I just find sooo stupid to give a mark for a release or a DVD! It is a version I will definitely use. It comes into my favourite ACAANs effects next to MTB by John Born.
Congratulations Roberto!



Thanks for the great review! I have one question about the number of spectator's that you mentioned. You said this ACAAN is perfect for 3 to 4 people, do you feel the same way if it's performed one-on-one?
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