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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts 
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The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten...
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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Dean is so upset he doesn't even want to read any of these posts.
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7565 Posts
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It's been my experience that many of the top pros take a stand on creator's rights. For example, Murray Hatfield has said this in the past about unauthorized illusions:
"If you can't afford the 'real' (authorized) prop then chances are, you're not ready for it." - Donald
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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jazzy snazzy Inner circle run off by a mob of Villagers wielding 2109 Posts
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This problem has become epidemic. Two of my advertising clients were ripped off this month alone. All intellectual property has become fair game.
Litigation is not the answer. It is costly, time consuming and stressful. International patent protection is beyond the means of most of us and is usually useless anyway. When your name or tradmarked product name, ad copy, photos, etc. is used in their advertising, you should immediately send a CEASE AND DESIST LETTER. Another tactic that offers some measure of satisfaction is to use it to your advantage in your own advertising. Phrases like "The Original", "Accept no substitutes" will get the point across. Otherwise, about all you can do is try not to get jaded. With 47 years in business, I've seen more of these hijinks than you could imagine. One of the most important parts of product development is to take all steps possible to protect yourself BEFORE THE FACT. Thanks to the Magic Café, the word is out. Hopefully this will have an effect on their bottom line and the bums will think twice about pulling this stunt again.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts
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All I can say is Bill Groome is an idiot. If you don't like me saying that. Too @#&@! bad.
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magicgettogether Special user Michigan 556 Posts
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I understand the frustration here (as you can see by my reaction to Spellbinder, all I remember was some guy named Spellbinder ripping off Dukes Dye Version under the guise of upgrading it and this same magic shop gleefully promoting it).
Not a whole lot can be done and even this entire thread could be considered an ad because we are letting hundreds of people know where they can get this product. Currently this shop has a world ranking of 807,458 and a US ranking of 238,515. It would be interesting to check the stats again in a month and see if this thread affected them one way or another. If the traffic flow goes up, perhaps the Café should consider moving threads like this into the 50 or more category because they generate free publicity (this entire thread is getting the word out someone is selling something cheap). I do feel bad for Dean and I know that won't go away anytime soon (Dukes Dye Version still ticks me off because the guy renamed it to his name - Spellbinders Dye Version). If you complain you get letters like the one above which try to deflect the blame (are you afraid of competition, competition is good, the Walmart line or foreign car line, don't you sell _____ which is a deviation from _______ , I'm not doing anything illegal, I bought the rights from "some unrelated third part", I laminated the instructions and improved it, etc ). I can offer one positive (or perhaps I should say one neutral), it does seem that Dukes Dye Version has not endured any bad effects from this as it still sells well. The silks Abbott supplies are made at the plant and meticulously hand dyed by a lady name Karin from high quality silks (check out the silk process at http://youtu.be/cBZei4_qOTs and you will see what you are paying for) - they are not cheap and were not meant to be! People still see the value in quality (more than the value in saving a buck) and likewise will see the value in Deans box over the imitation. |
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Ken Dumm Inner circle 1241 Posts
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Well it seems the emails have helped, even if it is just a little late> I received an email from Bill this morning in response to my protest emails. Here is the content:
Hi Ken. We have decided to pull the product once our inventory sells out, due to all the controversy. I doubt it will change anything much. We are only one drop of water in the bucket. All the Best, Bill Ken |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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"Inventory runs out" ???? He should NOT sell these, he should either burn them or ship them back to the maker.
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Bill Groome New user Columbia, S.C. 89 Posts
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I really don't understand your logic Pete, no disrespect. Your friends buy these products and that's okay (from your former post)??? They support this industry financially, yet you are up in arms over the people selling it? It's kind of hypocritical to financially support this trade and at the same time lambaste it.
Regardless, we will discontinue the product once the inventory runs out. I don't need the hassle. Regardless the product will still be available for you and your friends from other dealers in the USA. |
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jolyonjenkins Inner circle United Kingdom 1181 Posts
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Well to be fair, Pete didn't say his friends, he said people he knew, which is not quite the same. We can't be held responsible for the behaviour of everyone we know.
Jolyon Jenkins
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makeupguy Inner circle 1411 Posts
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What about the knock off Losander table?
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Bill Groome New user Columbia, S.C. 89 Posts
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What about the knock off Strat-O-Sphere? Look I know you are a dealer/manufacturer so I know you have an agenda. The tables are distributed through a major US distributor, which means half the US dealers are carrying it. Take it up with the distributor.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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I probably should have said, "People I heard about". This came from Dean saying he had calls from guys that bought boxes on ebay (very cheap) and they "thought" he made them and were calling to complain about the quality.
You should have been with Dean yesterday to see him "prepare, inspect and pack" two boxes for customers. It was like watching a parent getting his child ready for the day.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts
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When I bought my Deans Box (directly from Dean) it came shipped in so much stuff to protect it, it was insane. You can really tell that Dean cares a great deal about "his baby!"
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts
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On 2012-05-31 11:54, Bill Groome wrote: Why don't you do the only CORRECT THING and discontinue this item now? You can write it off on your taxes so you won't really loose anything. Plus it will show at least some act of ethics on your part. I bet you won't do the right thing however. |
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mickym Loyal user 236 Posts
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On 2011-09-12 14:01, boydy wrote: Refering to the first post, see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtwBEAnunXc Micky |
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RNK Inner circle 7530 Posts
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On 2012-05-29 23:07, SpellbinderEntertainment wrote: I don't think it's greed, I would have to say it's called America, capitalism, and a consumers right to choose.
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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts
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If a maker or creator has a great product.a generic or knock off
should not hurt his sales at all.but if a maker or creator charges 50 to a 100 times it value then people will seek other choices.everyone was not born with a silver spoon in their mouth.and people generally seek good value in a product.we all do in everything we purchase in our daily lifes.its called smart sense shopping.im not taking any sides on this. just my opinon. |
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Wizard of Oz Inner circle Most people wish I didn't have 5157 Posts
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On 2012-05-31 09:12, magicgettogether wrote: I loved this video. I'm not a silk buyer, but this was enlightening none the less. Thank you.
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jolyonjenkins Inner circle United Kingdom 1181 Posts
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Dean Dill didn't patent it. As we all know, hardly anyone patents magic tricks. It's a pity that this isn't an effective route to go down for magic inventors, but there it is. (Of course, whether Dean Dill's method was truly original is a matter of debate)
This is an unusual case though, because they have explicitly associated it with him and his name. But as far as I know he didn't trademark it either, which is perhaps a pity. That seems to leave "passing off" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_off But they are not pretending that it has an association with DD. The opposite in fact: they are proclaiming that it's a rip-off. Since the laws on intellectual property don't really work for magic tricks, all that leaves is moral opprobrium, which they are getting in spades. But you can't say "That's America", so it's OK. In most other industries, Dean Dill would have used the IP laws to protect his rights.
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