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Dr_J_Ayala
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Posted: Sep 29, 2011 9:32pm
Is there anyone on here that currently uses a Chinese Egg Bag? I am trying to find out if there are any other versions available besides the one that is still sold by Abbott Magic, which I have.
Thanks for any input or information, it is greatly appreciated.
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jazzy snazzy
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Posted: Sep 29, 2011 9:48pm
I searched for quite a while before finding the right placemat and modified one of Bob Sanders' ceramic eggs.
Didn't think to check Abbott's, I knew it as the Karson Egg Bag.
"The secret of life is to look good from a distance."
-Charles Schulz
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Michael Baker
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Near a river in the Midwest
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Posted: Sep 29, 2011 10:45pm
That was one of the first tricks I had as a kid. I think it is still available as E-Z Magic, sold by D.Robbins. I saw some mats the other day, and thought they'd work well for this trick. They were either at Dollar Tree or Walgreen's.
~michael baker
The Magic Company
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Bill Hegbli
Eternal Order
Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
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Posted: Sep 29, 2011 11:13pm
I believe Abbott's sells the E-Z Magic brand of the Chinese Egg Bag. The current problem with this effect is the mat that was used originally is no longer available in China. The current mats do not work as well a the original.
This was one of the 1st tricks I use to do as a child in my shows. I like the principle and Egg changing to a lemon ending.
The principle behind the trick can be used in a number of unique ways to create miracles.
I have graduated to the Mardo Egg Bag and the Malini Egg Bag.
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Dr_J_Ayala
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Posted: Sep 29, 2011 11:25pm
The one that I have was also made by E-Z Magic. We used to have a store near us called World Market that had a bunch of different mats that were perfect for this, and moreso that store was one of my absolute favorite non-magic magic shops. Sadly, they closed two or three years ago. 
I really do like the principle behind this one myself, and I use it often enough when I do not feel like doing the Malini version. There are lots of really neat things you can do besides the egg bag presentation, as William pointed out. I have a Mardo bag too, but for some reason I like the Malini bag better.
Thanks for the input so far, gentlemen.
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mtpascoe
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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 4:59am
I liked the Chinese Egg Bag and made my own when I was a kid. But, there really is no routine to it; you drop the egg in the mat, you show it front and back and reproduce the egg. The concept can be used for other tricks like producing a large quantity of silks and so on.
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Bill Hegbli
Eternal Order
Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 6:06am
The instructions that come with this trick and many others from years ago are only the basic ways to operate the effect. It looks like no one thinks outside the box and creates other possible tricks for this prop. Now people seem to expect everything handed to them on a DVD. This has never been the case actually. Some dealers would add routines to the standard props to extend their demonistrations to sell the trick, but never published their ideas.
With this prop you could produce a seemingly endless quanity of eggs, that vanish. Do some of the hank ball and loop ball moves to prove the egg is not here there or anywhere and yet it is here. Eggs could be caught from the air as well.
So many ideas could be seen to create a truly unique show piece with these simple items.
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Dr_J_Ayala
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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 8:34am
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On 2011-09-30 06:06, wmhegbli wrote:
With this prop you could produce a seemingly endless quanity of eggs, that vanish. Do some of the hank ball and loop ball moves to prove the egg is not here there or anywhere and yet it is here. Eggs could be caught from the air as well.
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I find this to be a very versatile prop.
I have often done various things like a "Miser's Egg" routine, where eggs are repeatedly plucked from nowhere and placed into the folded mat. I have used various endings over the years, such as tripping over something on stage and launching the "eggs" at the audience only for them to see they have all turned into confetti, or ping pong balls, or just disappear altogether. When I was still living in Spain, a local market carried baby lemons, which were perfect for use in a "Miser's Lemon" type routine, and at the end, the lemons all vanished and a glass of lemonade was produced from the mat.
I have also used this to produce a set of chopsticks and a smaller set of Brahmin Rice Bowls, and proceed to do that routine.
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Spellbinder
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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 9:27am
Hint: By disconnecting the gimmick from the mat and attaching it to a thumb loop instead, you can do all kinds of marvelous things with the principle. You can even switch objects mid-stream, from eggs to walnuts to cookies, for example.
Professor Spellbinder
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Bill Hegbli
Eternal Order
Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 10:39am
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On 2011-09-30 09:27, Spellbinder wrote:
Hint: By disconnecting the gimmick from the mat and attaching it to a thumb loop instead, you can do all kinds of marvelous things with the principle. You can even switch objects mid-stream, from eggs to walnuts to cookies, for example.
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It seems you are mistaken that the gimmick is attached to the mat.
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Bob Sanders
Grammar Supervisor
Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama
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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 11:33am
It is no secret that I get a lot of mileage out of droppers. One of the fun things with this trick is going to a real egg and cracking it as in Silk to Egg.
Bob Sanders
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Bob Sanders
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Michael Baker
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Near a river in the Midwest
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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 12:45pm
Combine this CEB principle with a BA well to hold a final load and this trick can really fool people.
~michael baker
The Magic Company
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mtpascoe
Inner circle
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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 1:32pm
I knew there would be a few that would chime in with their bits. No doubt this trick can lead to so many possibilities. It can even blend into another egg routine like egg from mouth or something like that.
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windrunner
New user
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Posted: Oct 3, 2011 12:24pm
Dan Tong sells a great egg bag. Here is a link.
http://www.magicbypauline.com/eggbag.html
Bryan Blankenship
"the alter ego of"
VanDoren the Magician
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Harry Murphy
Staff
Maryland
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Posted: Oct 3, 2011 12:46pm
Pauline does make a great egg bag (actually makes a couple of different styles and all great!)!
However the Chinese Egg Bag isn't a bag. It is a mat. Normally a mat made of slivers of bamboo. The handling is way different than a egg bag. I am not absolutely positive but I think it was a Joe Karson (of Zombie fame) invention.
This is not to be confused with the production of eggs from a handkerchief or bandana (the same egg produced over and over again using an even different principle than the CEB).
I used to perform both back in the day and still have the CEB in a box somewhere.
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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Dr_J_Ayala
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Posted: Oct 3, 2011 3:43pm
As far as I am aware, I too believe that the CEB is a product from the mind of Joe Karson. I am trying to do some further research to see if I can verify that information.
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jazzy snazzy
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Posted: Oct 3, 2011 6:28pm
It is on Cellini's DVD; "Magic That Can be Performed Anywhere" listed as Joe Karson's Chinese Egg Bag.
"The secret of life is to look good from a distance."
-Charles Schulz
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Dr_J_Ayala
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Posted: Oct 4, 2011 12:07am
Thank you Jazzy.
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wkitwizard
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Los Angeles
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Posted: Oct 4, 2011 9:03pm
The Cellini DVD shows moves with the mat and egg that are worth the price of the entire DVD.
Nothing is truer than the incomprehensible, because the sum total of our knowledge consists of the fact that we know nothing. Our reality is an illusion. Thus illusion is reality-Punx
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Bapu
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Posted: Oct 5, 2011 7:34pm
Here's what I did for a recent child's party:
I bought a colorful placemat from Pier One for my "mat" or "Chinese egg bag"...looks a lot better than the cheap mats that come with the trick. Also, you cannot see the egg through the weave of the placemat like you can with a cheap straw mat if the light is right. This is an important consideration if you ever want to present this trick outdoors in sunlight like I did.
I also bought some plain wooden eggs on the big auction site. Drilled a cavity in one of them, put a loop on the other, painted them to look alike.
At the party I did a small silk blendo, then using the "blended" silk did silk to egg, then reached into my bag with the silk stuffed egg-holding hand to ostensibly fetch out my placemat but simultaneously switching the hollow egg for the loop egg. Pulled out the placemat with the hand now holding the loop egg and went into the egg bag bit. Then I moved into an "ether egg hunt", that is, pulling eggs out of the air (ether), kid's hair, etc., filling my hat with eggs as I went. When I had plucked enough ether eggs out of the air I reached into my pocket with the hand p*lming the loop egg, dumped the loop egg and pulled out my magic salt shaker (nothing goes better with ether eggs than a little salt, right?). Salted the hat full of ether eggs down real good, then slowly turned it over. They had vanished! You should have seen their faces. Man is this stuff fun or what?
PS: Get the Cellini DVD to learn some good moves. I made the loop out of 8lb test nylon fishing line. Even very close, no one ever noticed it. When you display the egg just keep the holes where the line attaches hidden by your fingers. You only need to show most of the egg, not all of it. For me the loop works best if you drill a hole all the way through the egg at it's base, or widest part, thereby making a wide, open, loop. The egg in a Chinese Egg Bag set may come with a egg with the loop attached to a nail or tack embedded in the egg, making a loop that comes to a point at the tack. That setup can cause the line to twist or bind amikg the handling a pain. A more open loop works best for me.
Bapu practices law and conjuring in the Great Smoky Mountains of East Tennessee.
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cirrus
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Posted: Oct 7, 2011 4:25pm
Isn't the chinese egg mat, about the same as a mat to roll sushi with?
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Harry Murphy
Staff
Maryland
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Posted: Oct 7, 2011 5:58pm
It is pretty close. The egg mat is a more tightly woven version. That is it masks what needs to be masked well and the sushi mat has more "windows" showing what shouldn't be shown. How's that for cryptic?
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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Bill Hegbli
Eternal Order
Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
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Posted: Oct 7, 2011 6:12pm
Actually, it is the size of a placemat for table setting.
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Harry Murphy
Staff
Maryland
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Posted: Oct 7, 2011 6:21pm
Which is what it was. They were very common up to the 1950s. My mother used them nightly for family dining. Good placemats came out for guests. If I remember correctly they cost about a dollar for a dozen back in those days. That's probably why they got turned into a magic trick. They were ready made and cheap. Wooden "starter eggs" from farm stores were the eggs being used. A loop was tacked to one end of the wooden egg. Those eggs were pretty cheap too.
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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cirrus
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Posted: Oct 7, 2011 6:57pm
You could use this, and make your own:
http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=7l0pc96hq0hla5mrnpauf02pg1&topic=320025.0
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Harry Murphy
Staff
Maryland
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Posted: Oct 7, 2011 7:07pm
Or you could just buy the real deal.
Here is a sample:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0042890RU/ref=asc_df_B0042890RU1710824?smid=A20D0T3EXTAA17&tag=nextagusmp0355885-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B0042890RU
and this one works fine:
http://www.petcarerx.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=14251&k=Bamboo+Place+Mat+W%2fEva+Backing&id=1776
or any of these:
http://www.dollartree.com/new-arrivals-seasonal/while-supplies-last/Caribbean-Bamboo-Placemats/215c276c276p314650/index.pro
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Dr_J_Ayala
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Posted: Oct 7, 2011 9:07pm
The reason most sushi mats would not work as well is because the cording that holds the bamboo slats together is thicker than that used for placemats. That thickness creates those windows, but it also gives a sushi mat the flexibility it needs to do what it is made for, and that thicker string also makes is more durable.
If you have a Pier 1 Imports, Bed, Bath and Beyond, Crate and Barrel or World Market store near you, they all usually have a great selection of perfectly suitable mats for this effect - I have recently seen some of the mats in the links that Harry provided (thanks Harry!) in two of those stores. Occasionally you might find a suitable mat like these in a candle store.
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Bapu
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Posted: Oct 9, 2011 3:31pm
By the way, the edges of my Pier One mat were too floppy as they came from the store. Stuck a couple of wooden shishkabob skewers in ends to stiffen them. That allows for proper handling of the mat as it important that the ends do not flop around.
Bapu practices law and conjuring in the Great Smoky Mountains of East Tennessee.
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Dougini
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Posted: Oct 11, 2011 3:58pm
Hi guys!
I am really surprised no one has mentioned the Jeff Hobson Egg Bag!
http://www.hobsoneggbag.com/
Doug
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mtpascoe
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Posted: Oct 11, 2011 9:39pm
This is the Chinese Egg Bag which is not really a bag at all but a mat. Hobson's would be for a different post.
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