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Lee Smith
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 4:39am
First time I saw this it fooled me bad. Its so deceptive.
You don't have o do the shows at the beginning I find just a couple casual flashes of the watch face is enough.
It may be a bit bold but I have not had one issue with the method since I have used it. Laymen freak and they have nothing to find at the end and are not looking at the beginning.
Its very easy and very very deceptive. Its one of those I wish I thought of it effects and I also wish this was not being put out.
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AndiGladwin
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UK
572 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 5:50am
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On 2011-11-14 20:48, Robert M wrote:
Is it just me, or is it obvious that the watch never changed times and Josh miscalled them?
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Hi Robert,
It's difficult to show this kind of thing on video, while still keeping things honest (something that I believe we do with all our videos). When I use this subtlety (and the way I explain it on the DVD), I show different parts of the audience the watch so that nobody sees it more than once. That really helps this fly.
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David Klass
Special user
Beckenham, England
570 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 6:58am
I would say that in the demo video it appears that the spectators are looking over Josh's shoulder and watching the time being changed...
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Liam Montier
Regular user
180 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 8:25am
Thanks for all the good vibes people 
I know that there is sometimes suspicion about demo videos and new products. Rest assured that Andi Gladwin, Joshua Jay and myself have been using this for years, and the DVD covers everything you need to know to make both the basic effect (shown on the demo) and the other variations fly, and much more.
Bear in mind also that you can contact Vanishing Inc with any questions, or myself through www.tricktastic.com, where I am also taking UK preorders
I am very proud of this effect, and particularly so of the input from Andi and Josh, and we are all 100% sure that if you like and perform any kind of mentalism, you will enjoy 'Timeless' and get as much use from it as we have.
Peace out
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lukecloughmagic
Loyal user
203 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 9:39am
I purchased this a while back and it absolutely floors everyone! Its one of the best things I've bought for a while and not once have I ever had anyone come close to the method. Everyone, without fail, has taken the watch off of me and started shaking it to find out where the hands have gone! Lee smith an myself were out with this just after I got it, and the reactions were superb.
You won't be disappointed I guarantee it!!!
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David Klass
Special user
Beckenham, England
570 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 9:50am
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On 2011-11-15 08:25, Liam Montier wrote:
Thanks for all the good vibes people
I know that there is sometimes suspicion about demo videos and new products. Rest assured that Andi Gladwin, Joshua Jay and myself have been using this for years, and the DVD covers everything you need to know to make both the basic effect (shown on the demo) and the other variations fly, and much more.
Bear in mind also that you can contact Vanishing Inc with any questions, or myself through http://www.tricktastic.com, where I am also taking UK preorders
I am very proud of this effect, and particularly so of the input from Andi and Josh, and we are all 100% sure that if you like and perform any kind of mentalism, you will enjoy 'Timeless' and get as much use from it as we have.
Peace out
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***, I'm in the U.K but ordered from the Vanishing Inc site. Cost me a lot more due to the shipping cost as well 
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Balthasar V.
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New user
17 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 11:39am
I am placing my order right now, the price is just perfect.
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Scott Fridinger
Special user
Ocean Springs, MS
802 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 3:16pm
I can see this as a great mental effect for magicians. Reading the thoguht would be mentalism, but the watch hands vanishing is magic...
Can't wait for it to arrive.
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Scott Imler
Veteran user
Calgary, Canada
394 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 5:33pm
Based on previous posts is it safe to assume they always stop at the same time??
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Liam Montier
Regular user
180 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 7:26pm
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On 2011-11-15 17:33, Scott Imler wrote:
Based on previous posts is it safe to assume they always stop at the same time??
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Hi Scott,
You can use the watch to reveal any time that you like, so if you need to end on a particular time, that's no worries
Liam
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zhoudumu
Regular user
philadelphia
172 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 7:44pm
Will it work as a real watch. Otherwise it will stick at that time all day
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On 2011-11-15 19:26, Liam Montier wrote:
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On 2011-11-15 17:33, Scott Imler wrote:
Based on previous posts is it safe to assume they always stop at the same time??
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Hi Scott,
You can use the watch to reveal any time that you like, so if you need to end on a particular time, that's no worries
Liam
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*Bro*
Loyal user
209 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 8:50pm
This is extremely clever on so many levels! Can't wait to play with it.
Bro
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dave
Inner circle
1629 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 8:53pm
Very important question asked before, can it be an everyday watch, showing the correct time, until you need it.
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ahzhe
Regular user
153 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 9:19pm
I bet the answer is no, otherwise they will be very proud to mention it in their ad.
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Cameron Francis
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5896 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 10:01pm
No. Won't work as a real watch.
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Liam Montier
Regular user
180 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 12:35am
Hi there!
Sorry, the watch doesn't work as a normal one, because at the end of the effect it doesn't have any hands, and is totally examinable.
Believe me, when you do the trick and hit them with the kicker 'You must have been influenced, because the watch doesn't even have hands' after the time reveal, spectators want to examine the watch! That is why in Timeless, you are 100% clean at the end. No palming, nothing added or taken away, nothing to malfunction or break, Clean and simple.
I hope that helps guys
Liam
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David Klass
Special user
Beckenham, England
570 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 4:42am
Liam, thank you for taking the time to come on here and answer some questions.
Is this your preferred way of playing it?:
'You must have been influenced, because the watch doesn't even have hands'
Do you still try to guess the time they have picked (as in the demo video)?
To me it seems that you wouldn't try to guess a time if you have supposedly already planted the time in their minds.
Thanks
David
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brehaut
Inner circle
kentucky
1836 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 7:28am
One selling point for me is the number of people that actually PERFORM with this effect. In other words, it is tested and actually used. Looking forward to getting it.
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Scott Fridinger
Special user
Ocean Springs, MS
802 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 9:30am
While you may night want be able to show that it has the correct time, you can make the specator's believe that it can.
Most of us have phones with times, so it would be easy to know the time. You then look at your watch and say something like, "Wow, it is already 9:45, where did the day go, let me show you one last thing real quick...". When you look at the watch and say this, they will also check their device (watch/phone/clock) and verify the time. If the watch couldn't tell real time why would you look at it. Again, this is all in the mind of the spectator, and while you might not show them the time, you have verified to them it tells the correct time.
Anyway, don't have it, but it is in the mail, and this is the way I am already working it out in my mind. For those of you that have this have you tried this approach?
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elimagic
Special user
Is the number you're thinking of...
728 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 10:20am
What the reset time on this?
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cardbiker
Elite user
484 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 10:56am
I saw Andy Gladwin demo this at LADs, I just don't see how this principle would fool anyone,method just looked so obvious.
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Liam Montier
Regular user
180 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 11:06am
Hi David, My original presentation was to use the influence patter, and downplay the initial phase. However, I now perform it pretty much as Josh does on the demo - both he and Andi get a great reaction from the time reveal, and then the kicker just tops it all off.
Many thanks Brehaut for the kind words, I'm sure you will dig it. This is definitely my favourite item at the moment, and it has gotten the most good vibes with people I've shared it with so far.
Good idea Scott, I guess it is different for everyone, but I suspect you will find that you don't have to use any convincer. I liken it to those watch predictions that were all the rage a while back. They were mechanical, so it did run as an actual watch, but I don't think anyone called attention to the fact that it worked - the assumption is already with the spectators the moment they notice it on your wrist.
Elimagic - the reset is pretty fast (say, 5 seconds) but does need to be done in private, or in a pinch, when your back is turned in the context of a different effect. I hope that helps.
Sorry you didn't like it cardbiker. To be honest, I always expect some negativity on forums and things, but I can genuinely say, with my hand on heart, that Joshua, Andi, myself, and all the other guys that have posted on this thread have used the effect day in, and day out. Yeah sure, some magicians catch it. Most don't. And no layman (in my experience anyway) has even come close. If you think about it, them accepting your offer to examine the watch is basically the moment you have them.
Basically, what's obvious for magicians isn't for laypeople. Sorry for stating the obvious, but I think we can lose track of that sometimes.
Cheers all,
Liam.
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elimagic
Special user
Is the number you're thinking of...
728 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 11:33am
Everything is delve contained correct? If the reset can be done with my back turned or 5ish seconds....could it be done walking table to table and a restaurant gig?
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NFW
Special user
UK
837 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 11:37am
This looks very impressive, may well pick this up now its available in the UK
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Phil J.
Veteran user
328 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 11:46am
Saw this performed at The Session earlier this year and I think it fooled most, if not all, of the magicians in the room. The brilliance of this is it's simplicity.
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Scott Fridinger
Special user
Ocean Springs, MS
802 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 11:53am
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On 2011-11-16 11:06, Liam Montier wrote:
Good idea Scott, I guess it is different for everyone, but I suspect you will find that you don't have to use any convincer. I liken it to those watch predictions that were all the rage a while back. They were mechanical, so it did run as an actual watch, but I don't think anyone called attention to the fact that it worked - the assumption is already with the spectators the moment they notice it on your wrist.
Liam.
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I agree, if it didn't work why would you wear it, but I offer my idea for those who think they MUST be able to show it before.
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Roslyn
Inner circle
3155 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 12:06pm
I know it's not the way to judge things, but it fooled me.
I'm not new to magic, but working close-up rather than on stage or in the street (real street not David Blaine style of street) professionally is something new and pocket management has suddenly become something I have to really think about.
This effect falls in to the "takes up no space" category, so from that point of view I like it even more. Not many tricks can be worn on the wrist. Plus there are other tricks I do that use a watch. Vanishes etc... So that's cool!
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Jack Tighe
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 12:50pm
Just received mine this morning, and have had a few hours to play with it. I was told by a friend to ignore the instructions, at least initially, and try to figure out the method just from messing around with the watch.
I failed. After about half an hour, I gave in and watched the DVD. Literally spat coke all over my computer screen when I found out the method. It is pure genius, and I guarantee you will have a lot of fun performing it.
Liam, Josh and Andi have been fooling knowledgeable magicians left right and centre with this trick, so needless to say, spectators have no chance.
I really rate this, and recommend it completely. Your only issue will be trying to find something you can actually follow it with!
10/10 from me.
Jack
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Cameron Francis
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 1:56pm
Cardbiker, really? You really don't think this would fool anyone? Sorry but how would any lay person reverse engineer this thing? I just can't see it happening.
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Christopher Congreave
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U.K
388 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2011 2:16pm
I've ordered mine! And I know how it's done, excellent stuff I think.
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