On 2011-11-28 16:17, Logston wrote:
what does an expert con also needs?

On 2011-11-28 17:51, alliance wrote:
I think bottom deal is useless now. Greek deal and center are too difficult to use in a real game. It's more magician stuff for gambling demonstration.

On 2011-11-28 16:17, Logston wrote:
Hi, I'm just starting to become an expert at the card table. Im now trying to learn how to Bottom deal. I know seconds are very useful, maybe some centers or greek shuffles also, what does an expert con also needs?

Logston.

On 2011-11-28 18:43, Logston wrote:
I know I can cheat with this move.
Logston

On 2011-11-28 21:51, panlives wrote:
I said it and I say it again, "Artifice, Ruse and Running Shoes at the Card Table."

Is there still a way to make money then?

On 2011-11-28 17:51, alliance wrote:
I think bottom deal is useless now. Greek deal and center are too difficult to use in a real game. It's more magician stuff for gambling demonstration.

On 2011-11-30 07:07, Erdnase27 wrote:

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On 2011-11-28 17:51, alliance wrote: I think bottom deal is useless now. Greek deal and center are too difficult to use in a real game. It's more magician stuff for gambling demonstration.

Depends entirely on the table. There were games where I based dealt pretty much the entire way through. Also depends on the use of a cut card or not.
You can't say : bottoms are useless now. They are still as useful today as they were 15 years ago. It just depends on knowing the company and the table you are in (aka. psychology is more important then any sleight).

Safest way to cheat? Work in cahoots and make up some code. Also ringing in a cooler is 1 move a night instead of 50+ moves a night (or whatever you fancy).
Another way to win at poker is to be actually good at poker (or the game you are playing). That way you can make people give them your money even when not advantage playing.

Riffle stacking was mentioned before. When done correctly, it looks absolutely convincing.

On 2011-11-29 20:23, DavidGold wrote:
Hey I'm not trying to be mean but you did not "perfect" your bottom deal you can spend you entire life just practicing one single slight and by how much your practicing I would say maybe 10 years until you have perfected your bottom deal. Secondly Learn the basics (false shuffles and cuts,passes and misdirection)before you even consider to try and learn centers and the Greek deal, I have been practicing gambling slights for around 2 years and I JUST started to learn centers, and as for cheating at a real game please make sure you have a very good pair of running shoes and a first aid kit. I sincerely wish you the best of luck

David

On 2011-11-30 06:14, iamslow wrote:
Logston, read your first post and your third one... You sound like blackeagle

Dear David, maybe that story tells more about yourself than it tells about me

On 2011-11-30 08:25, Logston wrote:
Dear David, maybe that story tells more about yourself than it tells about me.

On 2011-11-30 20:28, Expertmagician wrote:
I am personally a riffle stack guy......laymen have heard about seconds and bottoms, so they may look at the deal more carefully.

So, I personally like doing the dirty work during the shuffle, so I can deal clean

Of course, this is a very personal decision.

On 2011-11-30 20:28, Expertmagician wrote:
I am personally a riffle stack guy......laymen have heard about seconds and bottoms, so they may look at the deal more carefully.

So, I personally like doing the dirty work during the shuffle, so I can deal clean

Of course, this is a very personal decision.

On 2011-12-01 15:50, AMcD wrote:
Hi all.

One of the best weapons available is stacking. Personally, I use stacking and second deal for years and I've never been caught. Stacking, when you are permanent dealer, is the best tool for your partners.

Bottom deal might be pretty interesting but more and more games are using cut cards nowadays. I'm talking for myself here, but it's ages I haven't seen a game without a cut card (talking about Poker, of course).

False running cuts and false cuts can be pretty useful too.

Never underestimate signaling and collusion. Well done it's almost undetectable and possibilities are endless.

Greek deal, center deal, etc. Well...

On 2011-12-01 16:12, Vincero wrote:
Nice to see you posting again, Arnold. I'm suprised no one has mentioned the glimpse. Knowing the position and value of just one card can lend a huge advantage to the player with this knowledge. Of course, the glimpse usually has to be used in conjunction with one, or a few of the other techniques mentioned above.

Zac