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Andrew_N

New user
Sweden
43 Posts
Posted: Dec 22, 2011 3:51pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Andrew_N  

Hey all
Been doing magic for about five years now, and I have NEVER tried doing rope magic.
Well it's about time! So I wonder if you could tips me of some good DVDs or books.

Andrew
Jim Sparx

Inner circle
Far Out, Texas
1125 Posts
Posted: Dec 22, 2011 4:06pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Jim Sparx  

Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks at Abbotts is one that really old. Tarbell has some good stuff in it.

Spartacus died for your sloth
Andrew_N

New user
Sweden
43 Posts
Posted: Dec 22, 2011 4:35pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Andrew_N  

Thanks!
Any DVD tips?
Al Angello

Eternal Order
Collegeville, Pa. USA
10489 Posts
Posted: Dec 22, 2011 5:08pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Al Angello  

Daryl has a three DVD set that has more rope magic than you can use.

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AngeloR

Veteran user

343 Posts
Posted: Dec 22, 2011 6:29pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of AngeloR  

Aldo and Rachel Colombini have some good rope routines, and you can't beat the price: $10.00!

http://www.wildcolombini.com/

Angelo
Al Angello

Eternal Order
Collegeville, Pa. USA
10489 Posts
Posted: Dec 23, 2011 12:03am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Al Angello  

Aldo & Rachel need the money more

Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com
http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/
"Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone"
rklew64

Inner circle

1093 Posts
Posted: Dec 23, 2011 12:40am    Reply with quote   View Profile of rklew64  

I agree with All the above and stop there.
TheMagicOfLuke

Regular user
Illinois
178 Posts
Posted: Jan 14, 2012 6:31pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of TheMagicOfLuke  

Richard sanders made a DVD with some old principles. It is called Fiber optics, I use it.

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Mary Mowder

Inner circle

2008 Posts
Posted: Jan 16, 2012 3:02pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Mary Mowder  

Of course Daryl and Aldo but also...

"The Dennis Loomis Knot Routine... PLUS!"
www.loomismagic.com

"Flip's Truly Magical Rope Magic"
http://www.llpub.com/zenshop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=27&products_id=1505

-Mary Mowder
magicians

Inner circle
Teacher and Legend
2874 Posts
Posted: Jan 16, 2012 4:37pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicians  

"Toot toot", that's my own horn.

Try Dances with Ropes.
Linking ropes professors nightmare combo.
http://bigduck.tripod.com/id36.html


Illusionist, Illusionist consulting, product development, stage consultant, seasoned performer for over 35 years. Specializing in original effects. Highly opinionated, usually correct, and not afraid of jealous critics. I've been a puppet, a pirate, a pawn and a King. Free lance gynecologist.
Al Angello

Eternal Order
Collegeville, Pa. USA
10489 Posts
Posted: Jan 16, 2012 4:45pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Al Angello  

I love Flip's Truly Magical Rope Magic, Ian's Dances with Ropes, and the Dennis Loomis Knot Routine Plus

Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com
http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/
"Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone"
whippetfish

New user

2 Posts
Posted: Jan 20, 2012 7:13pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of whippetfish  

Richard sanders dvd is a defo. well taught and a good routine you can adapt. I also like it cause scissors aren't involved. Have fun.
magicians

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Teacher and Legend
2874 Posts
Posted: Jan 21, 2012 9:01am    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicians  

Quote:

On 2012-01-20 19:13, whippetfish wrote:
Richard sanders dvd is a defo. well taught and a good routine you can adapt. I also like it cause scissors aren't involved. Have fun.


This is an old conversation, but 90% of Sanders no-scissors aspect is derived from George Sands material.

Illusionist, Illusionist consulting, product development, stage consultant, seasoned performer for over 35 years. Specializing in original effects. Highly opinionated, usually correct, and not afraid of jealous critics. I've been a puppet, a pirate, a pawn and a King. Free lance gynecologist.
Pop Haydn

Inner circle
Los Angeles
1038 Posts
Posted: Jan 21, 2012 1:31pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Pop Haydn  

Mongolian Pop Knot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUMOkWUM7yI

--Pop Haydn
The Sphere of Destiny
Pop's Soapbox
Pop Haydn in the 21st Century
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Bill Hegbli

Eternal Order
Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
12916 Posts
Posted: Jan 21, 2012 2:08pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Bill Hegbli  

Quote:

On 2012-01-21 09:01, magicians wrote:
Quote:

On 2012-01-20 19:13, whippetfish wrote:
Richard sanders dvd is a defo. well taught and a good routine you can adapt. I also like it cause scissors aren't involved. Have fun.


This is an old conversation, but 90% of Sanders no-scissors aspect is derived from George Sands material.



That may be true, but George Sands never made a teaching DVD of his material before he passed away. We all know, this generation cannot read or follow illustration drawings. Richard Sanders filled a need he seen in the market place.

George's brother or son published a book of all of his material. How is it selling?
magicians

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Posted: Jan 21, 2012 2:21pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicians  

Quote:

On 2012-01-21 14:08, wmhegbli wrote:
Quote:

On 2012-01-21 09:01, magicians wrote:
Quote:

On 2012-01-20 19:13, whippetfish wrote:
Richard sanders dvd is a defo. well taught and a good routine you can adapt. I also like it cause scissors aren't involved. Have fun.


This is an old conversation, but 90% of Sanders no-scissors aspect is derived from George Sands material.


His son does have a teaching video of George Sands rope and over-all I believe sales are proportional to Alans lecture appearances.

That may be true, but George Sands never made a teaching DVD of his material before he passed away. We all know, this generation cannot read or follow illustration drawings. Richard Sanders filled a need he seen in the market place.

George's brother or son published a book of all of his material. How is it selling?



His son does have a teaching video of George Sands rope and over-all I believe sales are proportional to Alans lecture appearances.
http://www.alansands.com/old_site/www/store/sandsrope.html
Text and DVD accompaniment.

But, you are right, this is not modern production material and probably won't appeal to the new learning curves.

Illusionist, Illusionist consulting, product development, stage consultant, seasoned performer for over 35 years. Specializing in original effects. Highly opinionated, usually correct, and not afraid of jealous critics. I've been a puppet, a pirate, a pawn and a King. Free lance gynecologist.
bowers

Inner circle

3009 Posts
Posted: Jan 21, 2012 11:30pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of bowers  

Ha andrew all of the said above is good. glad your wanting to expand into rope magic.
Al Angello

Eternal Order
Collegeville, Pa. USA
10489 Posts
Posted: Jan 22, 2012 10:32am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Al Angello  

I have the George Sands DVD, and book. I learned a lot from it, and he is the man when it comes to rope magic. I also have two of Richard Sanders DVD's, he uses no scissors, and his fiber optics routine is George Sands on Steroids.

Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com
http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/
"Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone"
Bill Hegbli

Eternal Order
Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
12916 Posts
Posted: Jan 22, 2012 11:25am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Bill Hegbli  

Yes, it sometimes takes another person to bring the original creators ideas to the peak of entertainment.

I have noticed this myself over the years. I was very happy to actually see the originator of a magic trick present his creation. A lot of the time I was somewhat disappointed; as I or others have done a better job at presenting this same magic effect.

Just because someone invented a trick, does not mean that the presenting of that trick is the best it can be. And, I am not talking about improving on the original trick at all with methods or moves. I am simply saying, when the written word is read by others it can be interpreted in different ways, and when that persons personality is added, it sometimes makes the trick better to an audience.

Different people see thing differently, and that can be an improvement in some cases.

The 1st place I seen the 'sliding knot' idea was in the Jose de la Torre book on magic. Richards Sanders also used this material as well to combine with George Sands material.

I may have to get the Richard Sanders DVD, it might be fun to reference all the combined material and the original sources, and then note how they were changed. What comes to mind, is I see his sliding know is done in his hands, were the original idea was much more dramatic with rope anchored by one foot and sled down the rope. The knot was then shot off with a pistol. Improvement on Richard Sanders apart, I don't know.
Al Angello

Eternal Order
Collegeville, Pa. USA
10489 Posts
Posted: Jan 22, 2012 11:43am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Al Angello  

Richard Sanders has "three ropes and a baby", "Fiber Optics", and "Fiber Optics improved". They IMHO all over lap, so I recommend buying the improved version to get it all.

Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com
http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/
"Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone"
rjthomp

Regular user
Pasadena
169 Posts
Posted: Jan 23, 2012 6:11pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of rjthomp  

I agree with the choices above, but would also throw out the L&L World's greatest magic: rope magic dvd, and Tabary's dvd. Also Pat page's secret seminar dvd if you can still find it...
-Rob
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