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Turk
Inner circle
Portland, OR
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Posted: Feb 6, 2012 12:56pm
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On 2012-01-28 21:53, McSweeney wrote:
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Since the Past Midnight DVDs are now over 4 years old, and since no credit would be necessary if Earl's own routine appeared on Earl's own DVD, I think it's safe to assume that the set in question is not Past Midnight.
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WOW!! What a snarky comment...and one that violates your own pledge (linked to in your profile) that you would "not be a self-righteous, pompous git".
Magic is a vanishing Art.
This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto.
Eschew obfuscation.
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Slide
Special user
538 Posts
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Posted: Feb 9, 2012 5:07pm
"Yeah, I think it was Elmsley who discovered the Gilbreath Principle."
Actually it was Gene Finnell who invented the Gilbreath Principle. It was stolen by Norm Gilbreath. This according to Bruce Cervon.
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Slide
Special user
538 Posts
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Posted: Feb 9, 2012 5:36pm
Read the Castle Notebooks. Clearly stated there.
But of course if you also spent years studying with the Professor, perhaps you know better. What did Vernon tell you about it?
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silverking
Inner circle
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Posted: Feb 9, 2012 5:38pm
There are quite a few folks who have claimed that they discovered it first.
Barry Solayme claims he published it before Gilbreath did, and that Gilbreath stole it directly from him.
There is a well established record for those who choose to do the research, and credit is still given to Gilbreath for the discovery.
As always, the further back you go, the murkier the waters tend to get. Thank goodness for the Max Mavens and other well read researchers out there who have hard facts to offer up on just about any "card controversy".
As for Cervon.......he wore an ascot........just sayin'.
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McSweeney
Regular user
130 Posts
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Posted: Feb 9, 2012 5:38pm
Just as clearly as Gilbreath has been credited for the principle in a much larger percentage of the Printed Word?
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Slide
Special user
538 Posts
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Posted: Feb 9, 2012 5:51pm
"Just as clearly as Gilbreath has been credited for the principle in a much larger percentage of the Printed Word?"
Which means what exactly? Vernon has stated that many of Dr. Daley's notes on tricks were posthumously credited to Annemmon because the transcriber confused Dr. Daley's word Anon (meaning anonymous) for Annemmon. Just because someone is credited in the printed word means nothing. One of Zarrow's Four Ace effects was attributed in print to Vernon. And the person who fixed the attribution? Harry Lorayne in Closeup Card Magic.
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McSweeney
Regular user
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Posted: Feb 9, 2012 6:03pm
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On 2012-02-09 17:51, Slide wrote:
"Just as clearly as Gilbreath has been credited for the principle in a much larger percentage of the Printed Word?"
Which means what exactly? Vernon has stated that many of Dr. Daley's notes on tricks were posthumously credited to Annemmon because the transcriber confused Dr. Daley's word Anon (meaning anonymous) for Annemmon. Just because someone is credited in the printed word means nothing. One of Zarrow's Four Ace effects was attributed in print to Vernon. And the person who fixed the attribution? Harry Lorayne in Closeup Card Magic.
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Please, inform me. I don't own the Castle Notebooks, so I have a few questions.
Is Cervon the only one who has ever leveled this accusation? Has this accusation ever been printed outside of the Castle Notebooks? Has there been a general consensus that this is the case?
If there hasn't been a general consensus, and if Cervon is alone here, then the Vernon effect is an ineffectual argument. That was a case of mere misattribution, where all parties agreed on the mistake and there was no controversy.
This, however, is an accusation of theft.
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Slide
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538 Posts
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Posted: Feb 9, 2012 11:39pm
I have no answer for you Mcsweeny other than to point out the Castle Notebooks were never meant or publication so one can assume that this is what Cervon believed and since they were notes taken at the magic castle that this was something discussed and understood by the inner circle at the time.
I am personally doing a careful study of the castle notebooks since I believe that only a handfull of people will actualy do that. Many treasures within.
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Slide
Special user
538 Posts
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Posted: Feb 9, 2012 11:42pm
Btw, the word "stole" is a direct quote. Take of it as you will.
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Turk
Inner circle
Portland, OR
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Posted: Feb 29, 2012 12:35pm
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On 2012-01-18 12:00, Harry Lorayne wrote:
For those who care - Terry's Pseudometry is in the December, 1979 issue of APOCALYPSE. That's the original. I've seen some of the "take-offs" (not all, obviously). Considering those I've seen - stick with the original. Great idea. HL.
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What a class act--Harry recommending another person's work ("Pseudometry") when Harry himself apparently has a similar version (i.e., "Psud-O-Mem" in Best of Friends, Volume 1)
(And yes, I realize that Apocalypse and Best of Friends are both written by Harry Lorayne. That still doesn't diminish Harry's strong unequivocal recommendation of Terry Lagerould's "Psuedometry" effect.)
All the foregoing is just IMHO; your mileage may vary.
Mike
Magic is a vanishing Art.
This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto.
Eschew obfuscation.
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edh
Inner circle
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Posted: Feb 29, 2012 7:47pm
Wow! abosolutely astonished!
Magic is a vanishing art.
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Alan Munro
Inner circle
Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA
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Posted: Mar 2, 2012 8:32am
Take a look a Gene Anderson's Si Stebbins routine. You won't be disappointed.
http://www.sneakymagician.com/
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martyjacobs
Special user
579 Posts
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Posted: Mar 2, 2012 9:57am
Pit Hartling has a 3 phase memory routine in his book Card Fictions (pg 78). The presentation he uses is so funny. I've seen him do this live and it is well worth looking at.
Marty
Read my magic blog at: www.MagicOnTheBrain.com
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Ricardo Delgado
New user
5 Posts
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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 7:21pm
Since no one mentioned:
Lennart Green has a great trick, apparently not well known, called Fingertip Intuition. It's a memory trick where the spectator finds out he/she has a great memory too.
Bye
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ajb6864
Elite user
UK
432 Posts
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Posted: Mar 17, 2012 12:43pm
Barry Richardson has a very nice method that I use for one phase of my own routine. It was detailed in Bascom Jones "Magick" magazine and may be on his recent dvd series also, but as I don't have them I'm not sure.
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jay leslie
V.I.P.
southern california
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Posted: Mar 17, 2012 2:11pm
I use a Devil's Deck. Looks like the cards are memorised then Faro shuffled then I'll cut to any card called for. Three phases seems to be the magic number, for my taste. The deck can be "shown on all sides" by revolving your wrist as you turn it over
Preceding the Devils Deck I'll do a card stab with a regular deck that was handled by a spectator, put that deck away, then bring "it" back to show them how I knew where their card was 
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Ruairidh
Regular user
London
191 Posts
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Posted: Mar 17, 2012 4:36pm
One of the few that has fooled me is Pit Hartling's routine from his book. Card Fictions.
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Harry Lorayne
V.I.P.
New York City
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Posted: Mar 17, 2012 5:01pm
I've posted this somewhere before, but - if you're intersted at all, way back in 1951 I was doing table magic at Billy Reed's Little Club on Park Avenue in New York City. The actor, Victor Jory came in quite often, each time bringing a different friend for me to do magic for. Each time, I wanted to do at least one trick that Jory hadn't seen yet. I was young, and knew only a finite number of card effects. What happened next was a "pivot point" for me, kinda' changed my life. I was always interested in memory work, and since I'd run out of "normal" card effects, the only choice left was to do a memory thing for him. To me, it was sort-of like scratching the bottom of the barrel, but... Here's the effect:
He shuffled, then I had him call off the cards pretty rapidly. Then, he gave me a number from 1 to 52 and I'd tell him the card at that position. He'd name any card, and I'd tell him where it lie in the deck. I did that 5 or 7 times, and then asked for his favorite poker hand. He said "Royal Flush." I asked which suit. He said "Spades." I said, "Look at the cards at positions 14, 23, 32, 38 and 44." He did, and found the five high spades!
Now, that "pivot point" I mentioned: Mr. Jory stood up and exclaimed, "Harry, the sleight of hand stuff you've done for me over the past weeks were great (etc) but, what you just did..." And he went on to really RAVE about the above-described memory piece. That changed my life, because I realized the strength of the memory work. Just thought I'd relate this, although it has nothing to do with "pseudo." HL.
harrylorayne@earthlink.net
http://www.harrylorayne.com
http://www.harryloraynemagic.com
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tomsk192
Inner circle
1513 Posts
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Posted: Mar 17, 2012 5:55pm
Wow, that was the moment! The rest is history.
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roho
New user
4 Posts
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Posted: Mar 18, 2012 3:53pm
I really like to perform "Sal's Memory Opener" from his Lecture Notes DVD volume one. Without exaggeration one of my favourite card routines of all time.
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velcrowe
New user
89 Posts
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 2:03am
I've grown to like Sal Piacente's Memory Opener as well.
Curious where to find Mockingbird by Mr. Maven. I enjoy much of the procedure, but might reveal differently after learning it.
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velcrowe
New user
89 Posts
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 3:11am
My bad, the YouTube link shows it is on Volume 1 of his Videomind DVDs. Is it in print anywhere?
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MuMu2017
New user
9 Posts
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 10:55pm
Right! More memory man kills. I just learned it one week and performed it twice. And all the layman believed that I memorized the whole pack of cards after they shuffled it. It's simple, strong and really convincing.
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TM
Regular user
124 Posts
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Posted: May 12, 2012 3:49pm
Any one seen the New DVD by Luke Jermay - Card Memory DVD, its available at International Magic, Its also got to do effects with Memory !
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TM
Regular user
124 Posts
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Posted: May 12, 2012 3:50pm
Has anyone Checked out the New DVD, CARD Memory by Luke Jermay at International Magic! Its also based on Card Memory Effects!
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Uli Weigel
Inner circle
Berlin, Germany
1306 Posts
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Posted: May 30, 2012 1:08pm
Here's another one, which I have performed regularly for many years. It's not the most convincing demonstration imaginable, but it's quick, easy, bold as hell and fun to perform. It can also be used as a lead-in to more profound demonstrations like Lagerould's Pseudometry. The trick is called "Photo-Memory" by Hans Trixer and can be found in Corinda's 13 Steps.
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John Carey
Special user
817 Posts
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Posted: May 30, 2012 1:43pm
Shhhhhh uli!!!!!
Handle with Carey and John Carey 24seven dvds.
http://www.johncareymagic.co.uk
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