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Ryan Bliss

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Posted: Jan 17, 2012 11:44pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Ryan Bliss  

Does anyone perform effects centered around "memorizing" a shuffled deck on the spot. I know Harry Loraine has a few effects like this, so does Joel givens, as does Garrett Thomas, but does anyone else dabble in this interesting field?
Rpascual

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 6:14am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Rpascual  

Yeah, definitely. Really shocks spectators if presented right. There ia a great routine in Triangle by Patrick Redford.
MaXiMoN

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 9:16am    Reply with quote   View Profile of MaXiMoN  

Yes!! mr lorayne is already mentionned so
you should look into simon aronson's work
there is good routines from luke jermay you should consider
Justin W

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 10:00am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Justin W  

My absolute favorite is Terry Lagerould's "Pseudometry."
magicfish

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 10:08am    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicfish  

Great choice, Justin, it is such a strong effect. I remember reading it for the first time- my dropped.
ddyment

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 11:12am    Reply with quote   View Profile of ddyment  

This is Bob Cassidy's signature effect; he describes it in one of his books. And Barrie Richardson has an excellent version in print as well.

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Harry Lorayne

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 12:00pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Harry Lorayne  

For those who care - Terry's Pseudometry is in the December, 1979 issue of APOCALYPSE. That's the original. I've seen some of the "take-offs" (not all, obviously). Considering those I've seen - stick with the original. Great idea. HL.

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Randy

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 1:22pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Randy  

There is a version in Rich Bloch's lecture notes "These are a Few of My Favorite Things" These notes came out in the mid 80's but I know I was using the basic method much earlier than that. I don't remember where I learned it. If the method is the same as Terry Lagerould's Pseudometry then that is probably where I learned it.

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silverking

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 2:12pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of silverking  

Originally based on a Steve Forte item (which may have been based on something previously, I don't know) Sal Piacente's "Memory Opener" is one of the strongest card effects I've seen performed anywhere.

People use phrases like "it killed" when describing tricks all the time on the Café, such that one wonders if everything ever released "kills"..........BUT, this trick KILLS.
1tepa1

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 3:37pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of 1tepa1  

Quote:

On 2012-01-18 14:12, silverking wrote:
Originally based on a Steve Forte item (which may have been based on something previously, I don't know) Sal Piacente's "Memory Opener" is one of the strongest card effects I've seen performed anywhere.

People use phrases like "it killed" when describing tricks all the time on the Café, such that one wonders if everything ever released "kills"..........BUT, this trick KILLS.



Indeed. That trick would fool even most magicians not familiar with the principle.

I don't know who came up with the thing first, but Max Maven, aka Phil Goldstein has a version called The mockingbird. Here is a video of that version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxFUhFUZb28

I am not quite sure who came up with the principle, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was Alex Elmsley.
McSweeney

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 3:50pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of McSweeney  

Quote:

On 2012-01-18 15:37, 1tepa1 wrote:
I am not quite sure who came up with the principle, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was Alex Elmsley.



Yeah, I think it was Elmsley who discovered the Gilbreath Principle.
Jeff Hinchliffe

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 3:59pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Jeff Hinchliffe  

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Yeah, I think it was Elmsley who discovered the Gilbreath Principle.



Thanks, this gave me a chuckle. It's been a rough day.

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McSweeney

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 4:08pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of McSweeney  

Happy to be of service.
Rpascual

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 4:25pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Rpascual  

I remember performing Pseud-O-Mem as a brief memory effect in one of the routines I had set up. I have forgotten most of it, although I do remember it using a key card in a unique way. I guess I have to take out my Best of Friends set and find it (Pretty sure it is in Volume 1).

Anyone know the difference between this one and the original one that appeared in Apocalypse?
tomsk192

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 4:43pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of tomsk192  

Quote:

On 2012-01-18 15:50, McSweeney wrote:
Quote:

On 2012-01-18 15:37, 1tepa1 wrote:
I am not quite sure who came up with the principle, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was Alex Elmsley.



Yeah, I think it was Elmsley who discovered the Gilbreath Principle.



Coincidentally, it was Gilbreath who invented the Elmsley count. I hope that new DVD has proper crediting.
tomsk192

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 4:58pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of tomsk192  

Quote:

On 2012-01-18 16:25, Rpascual wrote:
I remember performing Pseud-O-Mem as a brief memory effect in one of the routines I had set up. I have forgotten most of it, although I do remember it using a key card in a unique way. I guess I have to take out my Best of Friends set and find it (Pretty sure it is in Volume 1).

Anyone know the difference between this one and the original one that appeared in Apocalypse?



I know the one in Apocalypse, (not using a key card as such), but not in Best of Friends. Are you sure there is a difference? In Armageddon, HL credits the *idea* to TL, but is clear that it is *his* handling.

Harry, please help here!

Tom

(Mockingbird is great, but I do prefer the memory approach found in Terry Lagerould's creation. Then again, I am not a mentalist, so that figures.)
1tepa1

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 5:18pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of 1tepa1  

Quote:

On 2012-01-18 16:58, tomsk192 wrote:
Quote:

On 2012-01-18 16:25, Rpascual wrote:
I remember performing Pseud-O-Mem as a brief memory effect in one of the routines I had set up. I have forgotten most of it, although I do remember it using a key card in a unique way. I guess I have to take out my Best of Friends set and find it (Pretty sure it is in Volume 1).

Anyone know the difference between this one and the original one that appeared in Apocalypse?



Yes, but you could modify the effect so that it seems like a memory thingy, and Sal's memory opener is just perfect, I would say the most amazing self working trick I have ever seen.

I know the one in Apocalypse, (not using a key card as such), but not in Best of Friends. Are you sure there is a difference? In Armageddon, HL credits the *idea* to TL, but is clear that it is *his* handling.

Harry, please help here!

Tom

(Mockingbird is great, but I do prefer the memory approach found in Terry Lagerould's creation. Then again, I am not a mentalist, so that figures.)

tomsk192

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 9:42pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of tomsk192  

You certainly could

The use of Gilbreath is good to me. I'm very fond of sleight of hand, but Gilbreath plus riffles or rosetta gets me interested, as it does to the people participating.

(think your quote ended up mixed up with mine above)
the dealer

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Posted: Jan 18, 2012 9:52pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of the dealer  

I know ive posted this somewhere before...but you may find some interest in this. its me memorizing a deck of cards...i missed one on the recall but oh well, I havent done it in a while. its not a pseudo memory demonstration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA64ISzfeB8
magicduro

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Posted: Jan 19, 2012 12:46am    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicduro  

Looch has one on his DVD.

Lennart Green has one too..
jekyllandhyde

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Posted: Jan 19, 2012 5:56am    Reply with quote   View Profile of jekyllandhyde  

This is a great version of a memory demonstration...

http://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-downloads/card-magic-downloads/more-memory-man/
Dr. JK

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Posted: Jan 19, 2012 1:33pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Dr. JK  

Quote:

On 2012-01-18 16:58, tomsk192 wrote:
Quote:

On 2012-01-18 16:25, Rpascual wrote:
I remember performing Pseud-O-Mem as a brief memory effect in one of the routines I had set up. I have forgotten most of it, although I do remember it using a key card in a unique way. I guess I have to take out my Best of Friends set and find it (Pretty sure it is in Volume 1).

Anyone know the difference between this one and the original one that appeared in Apocalypse?



I know the one in Apocalypse, (not using a key card as such), but not in Best of Friends. Are you sure there is a difference? In Armageddon, HL credits the *idea* to TL, but is clear that it is *his* handling.

Harry, please help here!

Tom

(Mockingbird is great, but I do prefer the memory approach found in Terry Lagerould's creation. Then again, I am not a mentalist, so that figures.)



There is a difference. I looked them both up this morning because I had never looked closely at them before. Awesome effects! I think I will be adding Pseud-O-Mem to one of my card routines.

In Psuedometry (the Apocalypse effect), a card is chosen and placed in the spectator's pocket; the deck is then looked at by the magician to determine which card is missing. The magician reveals the card in the spectator's pocket, and has another card selected. When that card has been selected, the magician divulges the location of the other three cards of that value. Mr. Lorayne also has some afterthoughts about revealing even more memorized cards within the structure of the routine.

Psud-O-Mem (in Best of Friends 1) is different in that a number is freely chosen, the spectator remembers the card at that number, then "mixes" the deck. The magician goes through the deck to memorize its order. The spectator reveals his chosen card and the magician tells him at what number the card lies within the pack. There are also afterthoughts to reveal other cards within the "memorized deck."

Great effects, thanks for asking the question and bringing them to my attention!

- Jeff
tomsk192

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Posted: Jan 19, 2012 1:52pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of tomsk192  

Thanks for that!
Chris03

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Posted: Jan 19, 2012 6:01pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Chris03  

For me,Rain Man by Charles Gauci in his book : A Lifetime of Magic is fantastic and immediately is in my repertory.
With his secret weapon shuffle,RainMan is a marvelous pseudo memory demonstration.
Christian
Rpascual

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Posted: Jan 19, 2012 8:26pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Rpascual  

Quote:

On 2012-01-19 13:33, Dr. JK wrote:
Quote:

On 2012-01-18 16:58, tomsk192 wrote:
Quote:

On 2012-01-18 16:25, Rpascual wrote:
I remember performing Pseud-O-Mem as a brief memory effect in one of the routines I had set up. I have forgotten most of it, although I do remember it using a key card in a unique way. I guess I have to take out my Best of Friends set and find it (Pretty sure it is in Volume 1).

Anyone know the difference between this one and the original one that appeared in Apocalypse?



I know the one in Apocalypse, (not using a key card as such), but not in Best of Friends. Are you sure there is a difference? In Armageddon, HL credits the *idea* to TL, but is clear that it is *his* handling.

Harry, please help here!

Tom

(Mockingbird is great, but I do prefer the memory approach found in Terry Lagerould's creation. Then again, I am not a mentalist, so that figures.)



There is a difference. I looked them both up this morning because I had never looked closely at them before. Awesome effects! I think I will be adding Pseud-O-Mem to one of my card routines.

In Psuedometry (the Apocalypse effect), a card is chosen and placed in the spectator's pocket; the deck is then looked at by the magician to determine which card is missing. The magician reveals the card in the spectator's pocket, and has another card selected. When that card has been selected, the magician divulges the location of the other three cards of that value. Mr. Lorayne also has some afterthoughts about revealing even more memorized cards within the structure of the routine.

Psud-O-Mem (in Best of Friends 1) is different in that a number is freely chosen, the spectator remembers the card at that number, then "mixes" the deck. The magician goes through the deck to memorize its order. The spectator reveals his chosen card and the magician tells him at what number the card lies within the pack. There are also afterthoughts to reveal other cards within the "memorized deck."

Great effects, thanks for asking the question and bringing them to my attention!



Thank you for doing the research! This is what the Magic Café is all about .
Cannister Macho Jury

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Posted: Jan 20, 2012 5:57pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Cannister Macho Jury  

Ben Earl has a great version in Gambit 2,unfortunately it appeared in a recent DVD with no credit.
magicfish

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Posted: Jan 28, 2012 5:29pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicfish  

Check out Deck Memorization by Mike Boden.
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Turk

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Posted: Jan 28, 2012 9:09pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Turk  

Quote:

On 2012-01-20 17:57, Cannister Macho Jury wrote:
Ben Earl has a great version in Gambit 2,unfortunately it appeared in a recent DVD with no credit.




Hello, Cannister Macho Jury.

"...unfortunately it appeared in a recent DVD with no credit."

Did this appear on Ben's "Past Midnight" DVD set, or was it on another person's DVD? Thank you for any additional specific information in these regards.

Mike

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Eschew obfuscation.
McSweeney

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Posted: Jan 28, 2012 9:53pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of McSweeney  

Quote:

On 2012-01-28 21:09, Turk wrote:
Quote:

On 2012-01-20 17:57, Cannister Macho Jury wrote:
Ben Earl has a great version in Gambit 2,unfortunately it appeared in a recent DVD with no credit.




Hello, Cannister Macho Jury.

"...unfortunately it appeared in a recent DVD with no credit."

Did this appear on Ben's "Past Midnight" DVD set, or was it on another person's DVD? Thank you for any additional specific information in these regards.

Mike



Since the Past Midnight DVDs are now over 4 years old, and since no credit would be necessary if Earl's own routine appeared on Earl's own DVD, I think it's safe to assume that the set in question is not Past Midnight.
Medifro

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Posted: Jan 28, 2012 10:32pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Medifro  

Quote:

On 2012-01-18 15:37, 1tepa1 wrote:
I am not quite sure who came up with the principle, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was Alex Elmsley.


Actually the basic principle is found in Scarne on Card Tricks. Forgot who's trick was it but at least it indicates that the idea is fairly old.
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