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Magic-Daniel
Special user
Denmark
682 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2012 8:44pm
Hi.
I'm always looking for non-card/coin effects to put into my repertoire.
What dice effects would you suggest looking into?
Thanks,
Daniel
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Mark Ross
Loyal user
Batavia, NY
227 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2012 10:44pm
The Dr. Sachs routine in one of its versions is worth looking at,and you can carry two dice in your pocket all the time.
Mark
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Frank Starsini
Eternal Order
Northern California
12224 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2012 11:46pm
I just manufactured a batch of whip cups. A fantastic effect and works great with a gambling theme.
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mago.niko
Loyal user
Athens, Greece
250 Posts
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Posted: Feb 8, 2012 3:34am
As Mark mentioned, Dr. Sachs dice routine is one of the best!! I also like Dai Vernon's Climax to a dice routine. You can find both of them in Daryl's Fooler Doolers DVDs.
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pabloinus
Inner circle
1053 Posts
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Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:15am
Vernon routine in his book of magic is very nice
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boxjumper
Loyal user
241 Posts
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Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:04am
I use in my close-up show Dice/No Dice from Kingdom of the Red.
It uses a gaff that you can make yourself. It's taught in the book Kingdom of the Red and also on the companion DVD. I bought the "kit" with all the props and 1 inch dice from the author Larry Barnowsky on his website. The routine has several stages each with its own climax, uses some basic sleights but the gaff makes everything easier.
You can also use dice for routines normally associated with coins. For example, using say four dice and a hidden extra you can do a winged silver or coins across with basic palming. You could do a dice through the table as well.
BJ
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silverking
Inner circle
4375 Posts
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Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:40am
Ken Brooke's "Poker Pot" is brilliant.
It's kind of hard to find, and there's not a lot of them around..........of course that also means that it's highly likely that anybody you show it to has never seen it before!
Sol Stone also has a nice routine, it requires a gaffed die (which comes with his DVD).
Daryl's non-gaffed dice chinka on Fooler Doolers is also worth a look.
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4699 Posts
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Posted: Feb 8, 2012 11:00am
Charlie Frye also has a great dice matrix on one of his Eccentricks DVDs. It's not totally ungimmicked, but the end result looks great!
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rmendez
Special user
San Antonio, Texas
833 Posts
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Posted: Feb 8, 2012 11:18am
Three of my favorite dice effects include:
1. Dice Stacking http://www.theambitiouscard.com/
2. Bob Sheets' "It's The Rules" DVD http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S5901
3. Alan Wakeling's Loaded Dice http://www.vikingmagic.com/?nd=full&key=522
There is also Daryl's Dicey Dots which appears to be a little difficult to find these days. All very strong effects that are a part of my professional performing repertoire and come highly recommended.
Blessed be,
Richard M. Mendez
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For those who do not, none will suffice" -Joseph Dunninger
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RevJohn
Inner circle
West Linn, Oregon
2411 Posts
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Posted: Feb 8, 2012 12:51pm
In David Regal's book, "Close-up and Personal," he has a nice quick dice effect that I find plays really well leading into Dicey Dots, by Daryl.
Ivory Connection by Steve Dobson and Reed McClintock is a nice variation of Dr. Sach's routine.
RevJohn
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giobbi1
Loyal user
221 Posts
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Posted: Feb 8, 2012 1:04pm
I LOVE Dr. Sachs. I do it in every set and it gets a great reaction. Head shaking, rubbing the eyes reactions. I always thought it would be a great idea to add Sheet's "It's The Rules" as an addition to Sachs when time permits. Saying something like "here. Maybe these will be easier to follow." I just haven't learned Sheets routine yet.
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rmendez
Special user
San Antonio, Texas
833 Posts
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Posted: Feb 8, 2012 2:38pm
Although I have studied and love Dr. Sachs work. I consider Bob Sheets' moves and routine a natural progression as he mentions in the introduction of his DVD. His modifications allows for the performer to perform the routine center stage in front of his face as opposed to off to the side. Also, the moves appear more natural and deceptive because they break the moves into quarter turns vs. half turns. Finally, unlike most, this routine includes a real climax ending where the numbers are shown in sequential order four times on only two sides. Performers of this routine will concur that this one was a quantum leap from the brilliant mind of it's creator.
Blessed be,
Richard M. Mendez
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For those who do not, none will suffice" -Joseph Dunninger
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rmendez
Special user
San Antonio, Texas
833 Posts
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Posted: Feb 8, 2012 4:24pm
Another advantage is the elimination of the inherent, ackward, and unavoidable resulting finger positions that are a by product of the traditional half turns. The perspective this routine is performed from masks the very subtle movements needed to achieve the changes. It takes full advantage of finger and knuckle placement in addition to the natural loss of depth perception by the audience. What the audience witnesses is a very convincing illusion that the pips are simply changing on command. It has a very organic feel and can be done with any dice, anywhere and anytime. I abandoned Ivory Connection immediatly when I saw this routine performed by a fellow magician in the area.
Blessed be,
Richard M. Mendez
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For those who do not, none will suffice" -Joseph Dunninger
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Chris Meece
Elite user
Somerset Kentucky
413 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 11:05am
Frank, you need to make a pocket dice case for carrying 2 casino dice. (Well maybe you don't need to .. but I need you to.  ) I was using your Zipper Coin Purse to carry mine around before. All my half dollars would sit in the bottom and I had room for the two dice on the top. I just purchased Come Fly With Me and the morgans totally screw up my purse management. You can't comfortably carry casino dice in your pocket, they cut into your leg. Maybe your small coin bag would do the trick. I could carry my coins and dice in it. I would be losing out on the fabric liner, though.
By the way Bob Sheets' "It's The Rules" absolutely kills and it is a blast performing.
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Frank Starsini
Eternal Order
Northern California
12224 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 11:26am
I do make exactly that Chris. I'm not sure if I have any left or not. It's not a standard item but we made a batch and sold them
when people asked for them. I might have just boxed up the last one Saturday, in fact.
I'll check and let you know.
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Chris Meece
Elite user
Somerset Kentucky
413 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 12:18pm
Awesome! I am still feeling conflicted talking about purse management after starting a thread selling the manliest coin set ever made.
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giobbi1
Loyal user
221 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 12:26pm
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On 2012-04-04 11:05, Chris Meece wrote:
Frank, you need to make a pocket dice case for carrying 2 casino dice. (Well maybe you don't need to .. but I need you to. ) I was using your Zipper Coin Purse to carry mine around before. All my half dollars would sit in the bottom and I had room for the two dice on the top. I just purchased Come Fly With Me and the morgans totally screw up my purse management. You can't comfortably carry casino dice in your pocket, they cut into your leg. Maybe your small coin bag would do the trick. I could carry my coins and dice in it. I would be losing out on the fabric liner, though.
By the way Bob Sheets' "It's The Rules" absolutely kills and it is a blast performing.
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You're right. The casino dice do have sharp edges. That shouldn't be an issue with the Sheets dice. The ones he provided are rounded on the edges and corners. I need to learn that to go with Sach's.
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Chris Meece
Elite user
Somerset Kentucky
413 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 12:46pm
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On 2012-04-04 12:26, giobbi1 wrote:
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On 2012-04-04 11:05, Chris Meece wrote:
Frank, you need to make a pocket dice case for carrying 2 casino dice. (Well maybe you don't need to .. but I need you to. ) I was using your Zipper Coin Purse to carry mine around before. All my half dollars would sit in the bottom and I had room for the two dice on the top. I just purchased Come Fly With Me and the morgans totally screw up my purse management. You can't comfortably carry casino dice in your pocket, they cut into your leg. Maybe your small coin bag would do the trick. I could carry my coins and dice in it. I would be losing out on the fabric liner, though.
By the way Bob Sheets' "It's The Rules" absolutely kills and it is a blast performing.
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You're right. The casino dice do have sharp edges. That shouldn't be an issue with the Sheets dice. The ones he provided are rounded on the edges and corners. I need to learn that to go with Sach's.
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I didn't get dice with mine. I like the look of casino dice better, anyway. I was at Fort Harrod last year for an Indian attack reenactment and was showing a group "It's the rules." A shop owner asked me if I could do it with some of his wooden dice. I looked them over, some were not made correctly, the pips didn't add up correctly. I found a set that would work and was able to easily pull it off with it. (The routine is just that good) The shop owner insisted that I keep the set.
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bishthemagish
Inner circle
5577 Posts
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Posted: Apr 28, 2012 11:10pm
There is some great dice stuff in the Ed Marlo book shoot the works. Also I suggest - check out dice stacking. Jim Ryan used to make a close up gem out of dice stacking.
Just a few thoughts and opinion.
Glenn Bishop - Bish The Magish!
Magician, Card Sharp and Master Hypnotist.
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Bill Palmer
Eternal Order
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 1:15am
In Routined Manipulation Finale there is a routine by Ali Bongo called "Deolali Dice." (Deolali is pronounced DOO lolly -- Bongo told me that when he lived in India, "going Deolali" meant going crazy.) I originally learned it from Brick Tilley. But I used the instructions in the Ganson book to get the props right. Generally, it works best if you are seated, but I think you can work around it. It's a clever routine with growing and shrinking dice.
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Denis Bastible
Loyal user
Buffalo, New York
284 Posts
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Posted: May 9, 2012 8:53pm
Frank's chopped dice cup and James Riser's chopped dice make a happy combination and a nice routine (billiard ball kickers)
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bishthemagish
Inner circle
5577 Posts
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Posted: May 10, 2012 8:57am
I have been doing the dice chop cup for more years than I want to remember.
Just a few thoughts and opinion.
Glenn Bishop - Bish The Magish!
Magician, Card Sharp and Master Hypnotist.
http://glennbishopmagicandcards.blogspot.com
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Frank Tougas
Inner circle
Minneapolis, MN
1712 Posts
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Posted: May 10, 2012 1:30pm
Two in the hand and one in the pocket is an obvious thing to do with dice. If you can spend the time a dice stack makes a great closer, an effect that can not be topped with dice. If you don't want to spend the time, get yourself a small cup about the size of a juice glass. It looks like great skill but in fact the dice stack can't fall over. I actually use a glass as part of my regular dice routine when I tell them I am going to SHOW them how it is done. I end my routine with "People aske me where in the world did you learn to do that?" I pick up the cup and I've loaded a small globe of the world (chop cup style) so I can pick it up, point and say "Right here."
Frank Tougas The Twin Cities Most "Kid Experienced" Children's Performer :"Creating Positive Memories...One Smile at a Time"
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4699 Posts
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Posted: May 10, 2012 1:54pm
Frank Zak from Las Vegas has published a "two in the hand" routine. He uses it behind the bar and has a quick patter line to go with it using a gambling story that fits perfectly with living in Las Vegas.
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Donnie Buckley
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Cleveland, Ohio
1012 Posts
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Posted: May 10, 2012 3:19pm
I like Paul Gertner's Triple Die-lemma. It takes a "two in the hand" approach but is more akin to a Benson Bowl routine with jumbo loads.
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Woland
Special user
640 Posts
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Posted: May 10, 2012 3:27pm
Sol Stone's?
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GlenD
Inner circle
LosAngeles, Ca
1145 Posts
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Posted: May 18, 2012 12:05pm
Carrying the dice isn't that big a deal, especially if you use any kind of carrying/close-up pouch or even a jacket pocket. I love effects like this for several reasons; It's something different than cards, multi-phase routine possibilities, easily carried in a pocket, they can get liquid or other stuff on them and be cleaned off, impervious to weather conditions, etc. Just like safety pins. Another great trick that meets the same criteria.
Shoot! Now I am off my "1111" post count! That looked so cool...
Glen
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Llynus
New user
56 Posts
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Posted: May 18, 2012 3:08pm
Anybody know of anything with polyhedral dice, d12 dodecahedrons and d20 icosahedrons etc?
I havn't been able to come up with anything that takes advantage of their nature as hardware RNGs, just their nature as objects.
Only thing I've found they work well for is 2-in-the-hand-1-in-the-pocket as they are pseudo-spherical.
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