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sychou
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Posted: Feb 9, 2012 7:59am
I ask my home guest from US,the girl said she thinks Criss is better and more "Daring".
My girl friend think Criss Angel is good looking and better too...
In my mind I think David Blaine is better in skills of sleight of hands,he has balls to do those crazy stunts such as Vertigo,Drowned alived etc.
I don't recall Criss Angel display any of difficult moves in any of his magic.
Is it because of Criss Angel dressed up like a Rock Star thus more attractive to female audience?
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freefallillusion1
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Posted: Feb 16, 2012 11:46am
Love him or hate him, what most people have totally missed about Criss Angel is that he's taken a serious lesson from Houdini. Most of us love Houdini and hold him in high regards, but what was Houdini best at? Magic? No. Escapology? No. His greatest skill was hype. Houdini was able to keep his name in the papers better than anyone. He RUTHLESSLY used every means at his disposal. He was always on the forefront of the newest technology. If he'd had the Internet, and his own TV show, he would have not had many admirers among magicians (and that was the case in his time- Houdini would set out to crush anyone who he viewed as potential competition). So, as far as sleight-of-hand goes, would you like it if everyone remembered your performances to be better than they actually were? Sure you would- that's what magic is all about. You want them to walk away thinking they just saw that coin vanish without a trace- you do not want them to ever remember that there was a moment when your hand went near your pocket. Magic is about creating a lasting memory for your audience, not having them meticulously scrutinize every move with instant replay video. Really, read about Houdini and his publicity efforts, and the fact that while his magic skills were good, he was in no way the most skilled of his time. Yet, he was able to create a legend. That's Criss Angel. Will he be remembered 100 years from now? Maybe not in quite the same regard as some other names, but remembered, yes.
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truemagic
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Posted: Feb 16, 2012 2:51pm
Well said freefallillusion!
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AGMagic
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Posted: Feb 16, 2012 3:17pm
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On 2012-02-09 07:59, sychou wrote:
I don't recall Criss Angel display any of difficult moves in any of his magic.
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Magicians like "moves". Audiences want to be entertained and mystified. They don't care how you do it as long as you do it well.
Tim Silver - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Magic-Woodshop/122578214436546
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
Visualize Whirled Peas!
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freefallillusion1
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Posted: Feb 16, 2012 3:29pm
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On 2012-02-16 15:17, AGMagic wrote:
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On 2012-02-09 07:59, sychou wrote:
I don't recall Criss Angel display any of difficult moves in any of his magic.
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Magicians like "moves". Audiences want to be entertained and mystified. They don't care how you do it as long as you do it well.
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Exactly my point- heck, when Blaine first appeared, his "miracles" consisted of a cigarette thru coin and invisible deck, at most (unless you count the "questionable-angle" Balducci that no other magician could duplicate). Yet the day after his special aired, there was an enourmous buzz. Here was a guy who wasn't really advanced in the sleight department, yet he understood that he was performing for lay people, not magicians. His character was vastly different from the big illusion guys on TV at the time. Much the same with Angel- he's seriously upped the theatricality. Again, his methods are not hugely popular with magicians. But, it's classic Houdini and that formula has proven to stand the test of time.
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AGMagic
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Posted: Feb 16, 2012 4:29pm
I couldn't agree more!
Tim Silver - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Magic-Woodshop/122578214436546
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
Visualize Whirled Peas!
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mndude
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Posted: Feb 17, 2012 12:31pm
Well said, although it makes me wonder if I'm wasting my time and money trying to learn mentalism tricks, when I could just hire a bimbo stooge.
Me: OK, think of a number from one to a million.
Stooge Girl (wearing T-shirt that says "if these were brains, I'd be a genius): OK
Me: (revealing the number 2615): Tadah!
Stooge Girl: OMG! That's exactly what I thought of!
Me: Think of a any object. I'm thinking of a Chia Pet.
Stooge: (Screaming high pitched now) OMG! OMG! That's exactly what I was thinking of!
(everyone else looks on amazed)
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AGMagic
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Posted: Feb 17, 2012 3:31pm
I didn't mean to imply that you don't need any "chops" and certainly there are those with skills that are very impressive & entertaining. But to paraphrase Aldo Colombini - if it takes (insert your 4 favorite card slights here) to accomplish and I can do it with one gaffed card, I will use the gaffed card and concentrate on my delivery.
I once watched a local magician known for his "chops" fry a room full of magicians with a one way !@#$%^& deck. No one expected him to "stoop" to such a level so he fooled them badly. The Bimbo Stooge could be great in the middle of the right mentalism act. Just don't get caught chatting her up afterwards.
Tim Silver - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Magic-Woodshop/122578214436546
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
Visualize Whirled Peas!
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johndamen
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Posted: May 7, 2012 3:41am
A lot of great stuff on this thread. 'Freefallillusion1' has nailed it. Truth is any promotion is GOOD promotion in our biz. My take on it is that as magicians/illusionists we are performers,...we are entertainers,...and in that capacity I take liberty to do or say whatever I have to in order to enhance the experience for the spectators. In fact that may be the most beautiful part of what we do,...the absolutely freedom we have to be creative and/or take liberties in how we present ourselves and our brand of magic. If I had a dime for every time someone asked me if I was 'as good as' Blaine or Angel...I'd retire (lol). I just use it to my advantage. How do I respond?... usually something like: "Well, I actually met him once briefly and was fortunate to have had him share with me some incredible mysteries that few get to see. In fact I'll share a couple with you right now." Any decent effect I perform at that point is solid gold in the spectator's eyes. I for one am glad when any one of our brothers/sisters gains mainstream popularity in their approach...because in my opinion we ALL benefit from that. I certainly have. Id be lying if I didn't say that the interest generated by David Blaine, Criss Angel, and countless others over the years hasn't created more interest in what I do, as well as gotten me many more bookings. Long live the hype!! ;-)
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Miraclemakers
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Posted: Jun 8, 2012 2:34pm
If I'm a lay people and young female, I will think Angel is better than Blaine.
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dylmagic
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Posted: Jul 15, 2012 7:56pm
He takes his shirt off a lot and he's very refined as well he is also very good looking
and I got this from my girlfriend and it did upset me that she said this but women like the dark and mysterious type of guy
don't ask me why.
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MerlinCrow
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Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:30pm
To be honest there is something wrong "wrong" with all these performers.
So *** seriously almost emotionless, it could be part of the act but I don't like it.
Call it jealousness but, my hero's are still Penn and Teller.
Merlin
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