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Davidmagicman
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 10:43am
Hi!
I have never done coin magic before.
When I look at a magic trick with coin it feels so obvious how it is done.
is it just me or will de audince also see it???
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tomsk192
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 10:53am
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jearnshaw
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 11:32am
I'm not sure you have seen any good coin magic. I have heard that before from magicians. "I don't do coin magic because it is obvious that the coin is in the other hand." Maybe you have seen too many "tricky move" coin things. I mean I mostly do coin magic and have close to a bazillion coin books / dvds, etc and I still get blown away by good coin magic. I don't want to get into a huge list of people / tricks to go learn from, but poke around this forum and I'm guessing you will find some coin magic that isn't "obvious".
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Atom3339
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 12:09pm
When I started considering getting into Coin Magic, I purchased David Roth's DVDs. His performances convinced how magical it can be; his teaching started me on the right path.
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Davidmagicman
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 12:28pm
Jearnshaw: I have seen con magic done by David Stone and David roth and Rick.
Atom3339: Ok thanks.
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Dr. JK
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Greenville, South Carolina
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 12:51pm
If you saw David Roth do the Hanging Coins and thought that it was obvious, you have more of a "magically-thinking" mind than I! I watched it over and over, such beautiful poetry in motion. Until I looked it up in Apocalypse, I had no idea how it was done....
- Jeff
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mago.niko
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Athens, Greece
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 1:01pm
After 3 years practicing most of time in coin magic, having watched over 20 coin magic DVDs, having read 1 book and have gone in two coin conventions I still sometimes get fooled 
So David there's no way laymen could figure out how a trick is done..
Unless you don't perform it right.
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Atom3339
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 1:17pm
Sometimes I just watch an old Slydini video clip---fooled by his misdirection every time!
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obuch
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 1:26pm
Well I believe that your thinking might be a result of not seeing quality coin magic in real live.
If you mainly saw coin magic on video I'm not suprised at all that you think coin magic is obvious.
If you saw quality coin magic in real life, maybe you just are more focused and can follow whats going on
But personally I don't buy that. Coin magic performed well in real life, can be great, but there must be a balance between the more visual and more magical parts of the routine.
If you'll show to laymans routines like too long one coin routine with just false transfers, then you'll do coins across with the same moves, of course it'll be obvious
But if'll do 1. pretty one coin routine, than do a 2. sucker vanish, than really put the coin on my hand, let the layman hold my wrist, and then do a 3. complete vanish it'll be
1. pretty (visual)
2. fun
3. Magical as hell
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Mb217
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 2:23pm
I see coin magic all the time that still blows me away and real happy about that too.
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Magic_engineer
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Plymouth, MA
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 8:32pm
To my limited view, there is nothing like ungimmicked coin magic as entertainment. Yes, if you step back and analyze, even things like a perfect rentention vanish can be explained by someone who knows the coin must be in the other hand. But, a well done one looks and feels as close to real magic as you can get. A good routine multiplies the value of a good slieght. At least I feel that knowing slieght of hand actually increases the appreciation of watching someone else perform good slieght of hand. I am even more entertained when knowing the basics, I still cannot understand how they have done it.
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mahucharn
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 10:02pm
Look up David Roth or Eric Jones on Youtube. That should change your mind.
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tomsk192
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Posted: Feb 19, 2012 1:21am
You all are very nice indeed. A bad French drop is appaling. But really, no good or convincing coin magic, really???????
*facepalm*
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jazzy snazzy
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Posted: Feb 19, 2012 1:46am
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On 2012-02-18 14:23, Mb217 wrote:
I see coin magic all the time that still blows me away and real happy about that too.
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"The secret of life is to look good from a distance."
-Charles Schulz
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alex_be
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Brussels
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Posted: Feb 19, 2012 4:31am
Does HPC appear to be obvious to anyone? I think it is the example of a basic move that laymen never heard of. You can therefore perform pure magic with coin with simple routines.
For the rest: work, work, work,...
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On 2012-02-18 12:28, Davidmagicman wrote:
Jearnshaw: I have seen con magic done by David Stone and David roth and Rick.
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... They fool me
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Atom3339
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Posted: Feb 19, 2012 8:31am
The Gallo Pitch. How can it NOT fool you?
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Robert Black
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Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:02pm
David Roth, Mike Gallo, Eric Jones.........If you per chance witness these performs in action you will not make that statement. Even magicians are fooled BADLY by these technicians of coin manipulation. Do you not think people know about card palming? I would go out on a limb by saying that more laymen associate "palming" with cards than coins due to the gamblers methods of card cheating. If a move or sleight in executed badly it then becomes "obvious" be it cards, coins, balls or what have you. In the Maltese Falcon Bogart accuses Greenstreet of "palming" one of the hundred dollar bills.
"Creativity is the sudden cessation of stupidity." -- Dr. Edwin. Land
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harris
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Harris Deutsch
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 11:46am
Yes ...some audience members do see it.
I have heard that from lay people after watching even famous, top notch performers.
On the other hand, I personally have seen what most people would call a "bad french drop", and had peoples jaws drop.
On the side (and related to another thread. I have done things like multiple muscle pass with both hands at the same time, and have audience members comment more on the sock that I made into a turtle, or the sound effects(harmonica-cartoon noise generator) that I used with the coin magic....
I obviously like coin magic...
Harris...with
palms of aluminum foil for a lighter touch in coin magic
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Douglas Lippert
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 9:31pm
A lot of people that do coin magic do it poorly. It's very difficult to hide coin sleights. But, with enough motivation and a LOT of practice it can be done. But, a lot of people don't have the time to practice..but still want to do coin magic. This doesn't fool anyone.
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Lawrence O
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 11:40pm
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On 2012-02-18 10:43, Davidmagicman wrote:
Hi!
I have never done coin magic before.
When I look at a magic trick with coin it feels so obvious how it is done.
is it just me or will de audince also see it???
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David The Magicman
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korttihai_82
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 5:06am
Well, to be honest, I kinda agree on the original poster. However I would add that "MOST coin magic feels so obvious how it is done, not all". even some realluy big names in coin magic do routines that are awfully routined. For me the problem with lot of coin magic is that there is a feeling that the performer is hiding something in their hands and in many cases this is true. doesn't matter if it is an extra coin, shell, stack of chinese coins 12 copper coins in mutobedownskainoaedgesupergrip. You just sense that for whole routine you havent seen that hand empty. Of course its not just the performers fault, it is also the routining itself.
Also as mentioned earlier in this threat, doing coin magic well is HARD! Roth once said in his lecture that difference between a good and bad coin magician is that when good moves coins from position to position, there is no any extra visible finger movement. However this is VERY RARE! Even many top coin guys flash their thumb up or keep looking that sweets spot when they are classic palming.
Also for me it seems that lot of coin magic these days tends to be done just for techniques sake. The effects are multiphase hard to follow even for laymen and its not uncommon to be displaying coins on Kaps subtlety and at the same time palm coin in classic and have other one in tenkai pinch.
But again, there is of course exceptions and some wonderfull coin guys out there who have routined their magic so that it looks and feels like magic and is easy to follow.
J-M
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mago.niko
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Athens, Greece
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 5:11am
My conclusion: 90% of the tricks seems to us obvious. It's because we are seeing them as magicians.. Go back to the time you were a layperson and try to think like them.
And yes, coin magic is a lot more demanding than other kind of close up magic. And if you don't work on it properly you will get caught.
Remember: The misdirection you use and the pattern you follow are as important as the sleights you perform.
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HenrikHyldig
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 5:59am
When my girlfriend and I see magic shows, she is always asking me "How did he do that" and you have to have in mind that she often sees me practice many of the same moves that the guy on stage dos. so I don't think that coin magic "have" to feel obvious. unless you know how many of the tricks are done.
I my self often get have a "Aha" moment when I see the trick done in ways I have never thought about before, or when the use of gaffs is implanted in magic to make the impossible happen right in front of me.
the same can be said of card magic "it is obvious he is using a marked deck to know/find my card in the deck" or a shuffle that do not look like the one he did before. so he must be doing a hold on "my card" if magic is done in a real good way, you would never think it is obvious unless you self are doing magic, and have a basic know-how
And even then you can and will get fooled when a great guy like Eric Jones, David Roth, or the kid next door dos a trick better than ever before, or when you are a layman and sees the same trick done in a half way as good way, but uses the right misdirection with the right timing.
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Wes65
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 6:02am
A well placed gaff can make all the difference.
Wes
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