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Illusion77
Loyal user
209 Posts
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 3:36pm
Hi everyone - I was wondering what you use as fuel for fire illusions on stage, for use with torches, etc.
Lighter fluid works great but evaporates very quickly.
Are there any alternatives that you can recommend? Thanks!
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makeupguy
Inner circle
1255 Posts
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Posted: Feb 18, 2012 4:44pm
I normally use lighter fluid because it burns cleanly and brightly, I've used lamp fuel, but it can be a bit sooty, and tastes bad for eating fire.. (also give me bad gas)
I try to keep any loaded torches in a plastic bag covering until I know I'm going to use them.
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Swann101
Elite user
486 Posts
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Posted: Feb 19, 2012 1:55am
I use lighter fluid & benzine.
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makeupguy
Inner circle
1255 Posts
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Posted: Feb 19, 2012 2:04am
Ummm.. Benzine is highly carcenogenic...
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Chezaday
Inner circle
Naperville, IL
1612 Posts
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Posted: Feb 19, 2012 2:23am
Coleman Fuel is commonly used ... but, you didn't hear that from me.
Steve
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Bill Hegbli
Eternal Order
Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
12909 Posts
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Posted: Feb 19, 2012 3:03am
Cold Fire.
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socalmagic
Loyal user
Los Angeles
219 Posts
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Posted: Feb 21, 2012 11:25am
White petrol... AKA Coleman Camping Fuel
Los Angeles Magician
Los Angeles Comedy Hypnotist
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Eric the Excellent
Loyal user
Montana
221 Posts
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Posted: Feb 21, 2012 6:36pm
I second the Coleman camping fuel/White Gas. It is what I use, and it works great. It has nice bright flames, it is easy on your torches, and it is not very explosive.
If you find that it burns too hot for you, give kerosene a try. (I'll admit my experience with it is limited, however.)
Stay away from any kind of alcohol, because it can numb your mouth and lips if you hold it in for too long.
www.buttemagic.com
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Magicque
Special user
661 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2012 12:57pm
For a spiker effect, what would you guys use?! I just bought Brett Daniels' fire-spiker illusion and I'm about to start rehearsing with it!
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john wills
Loyal user
272 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2012 3:23pm
Try Coleman or white spirit.
This will work well.
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Magicque
Special user
661 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2012 9:14pm
Thanks John! ;-))))
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LaurensMalter
Regular user
Belgium
120 Posts
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 4:40am
Washing Benzine/Cleansing Benzine (Don't know the exact name in English), I love it!!
It leaves practically no smoke, no smell, to me it's a great advantage that it lights by just a spark.
I've seen artists using Diesel and Petrol, it smells horrible, leaves thick black smoke and you need to keep a lighter to it for about 10 seconds before it ignites (not good if you know how chaotic it can be backstage)
Only downside, it's quite expensive compared to diesel, petrol or regular gasoline, I'd guess compareable to lighter fluid, but you can buy this is large bottles. Definately try it, it's clear as water, smells like benzine, but no smoke, no smell and quick ignition :)
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Dixie
Loyal user
213 Posts
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 6:27am
@Laurens Malter:
When do you soak the spiker tips? Before the show or just before the illusion?
If you do it before the show starts, could there be problems with evaporation and an explosive air-fuel mixture?
Regards
Richard
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wanmagic
Regular user
tulsa, ok
158 Posts
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 3:18pm
Benzine is a fuel made from combo of gasoline and a naptha. Vapors can be explosive so I wouldn't use this if I were you.
Benzene is a carcinogen not Benzine. They are two different chemicals.
Acetone burns cleaner and is safer then Benzine. I would use Acetone.
That is my Bachelors in Chemistry Opinion.
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Sam Sandler
Inner circle
2061 Posts
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 10:59pm
Coleman fuel is the way to go! used it for years in my fire cage will use it on my fire spiker. I use it on my juggling torches.
it is the best. burns great and clean with little smoke if any at all. nice bright flames!
have fun
sam
sam sandler- America's only full-time DEAF Illusionist
http://www.samsandler.com
http://www.deafinitelymagic.com
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Sorcerer
Loyal user
208 Posts
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Posted: Apr 24, 2012 7:50am
An important issue is evaporation. Could you please tell an approximate time all liquids you have suggested can be "open air" before igniting?
Thanks.
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john wills
Loyal user
272 Posts
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Posted: Apr 24, 2012 9:05am
Sorcerer,
This has much to do with other
circumstances, as there are
temperature and humidity
at the location.
It's trial and error; learning by doing.
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w_s_anderson
Inner circle
The United States
1038 Posts
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Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:20am
I've always had a thing for Napalm!
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Sorcerer
Loyal user
208 Posts
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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 8:06am
John, of course it depends of ambiental temperature, humidity, material of torch, surface exposed etc... so I asked an APPROXIMATE ammount of time 
For example, lighter fluid can stay in a torch very few minutes before it evaporates, and kerosen holds for hours. So I would like to know what happens with other fluids Café guys have experienced, just roughly, of course
Thanks in advance
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Regan
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Inner circle
U.S.A.
5439 Posts
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Posted: May 2, 2012 9:41am
Theatre F/X used to sell "Pyro Fuel". I'm not sure what it is made from or how well it works, but it might be worth looking into.
Mister Mystery
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reedrc
Inner circle
1319 Posts
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Posted: May 2, 2012 2:18pm
Or if you wanna use your HAND as a torch use http://www.fire4hire.com/welcome.htm got some wicked stuff that burns on skin.
Ryan C. Reed
Owner / Founder
Illusion Entertainment
www.illusionentertainment.com
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tiger_trx
New user
16 Posts
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Posted: May 2, 2012 6:03pm
Coleman Fuel is the way to go
easy to find
burns clean and does the job well
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Eldon
Special user
Virden, IL
848 Posts
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Posted: May 2, 2012 11:54pm
Coleman Fuel does not evaporate very fast. I know from experience. It's a long story. One more vote for Coleman Fuel.
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