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Pete Biro
V.I.P.
17743 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 12:47am
Paul Green just sent me a link to Hocus-Pocus, where they are listing "Hot and Cold" a total rip off of my Plumber's Sticks.
They list it at $125.00 ... you can buy the Original from www.stevensmagic FOR HALF THAT PRICE.
STAY TOONED... @ www.petebiro.com
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Bill Hegbli
Eternal Order
Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
12881 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 1:52am
The ad on Hocus-Pocus says Hot and Cold is imported from Germany. That is probably the guy making it in the picture. Find out who he is and fly to Germany to confront him.
Wasn't there another version with a water ending, I believe I seen an ad someplace where water poured out at the end.
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ya4davecox
Regular user
Los Angeles
123 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:16am
David Regal put out the water finale version. He's a pal of Pete's.
In fact:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=455330&forum=76&2
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Christopher Lyle
Inner circle
Dallas, Texas
5224 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 9:01am
Pete...
Contact HP and see if they'll remove the product...
In Mystery,
Christopher Lyle
Magician, Comic, Daredevil, and Balloon Twisting Genius
For a Good Time...CLICK HERE!
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hugmagic
Inner circle
6548 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 9:28am
I would contact HP and offer to sell them the original. Worth a try.
Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
www.hughesmagic.com
email-hugmagic@raex.com
Write direct as I will be turning off my PM's.
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Regan
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Inner circle
U.S.A.
5435 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 9:50am
Richard's suggestion sounds like a good idea. I hope you can get it stopped, Pete.
Regan
Mister Mystery
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Pete Biro
V.I.P.
17743 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 11:26am
Regals's is different and I was OK with it. And at $300 you could by a case of mine from Stevens.
STAY TOONED... @ www.petebiro.com
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rowland
Special user
555 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 11:42am
This was being sold at the Blackpool magic convention, I had a look at it and thought the quality pretty poor. The taps on the ends are made of a very poor plastic, even the guy doing the demonstration could not get it to work smoothly.
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Pete Biro
V.I.P.
17743 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 11:54am
Here's a link to my original:
http://www.stevensmagic.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=88_90_10&products_id=1563
Posted: Feb 24, 2012 1:00pm
I contacted Hocus-Pocus and Paul was out of town when the sample came in from Germany and his staff put it up on their web site. As soon as they called Paul he told them to PULL IT DOWN.
THANKS PAUL, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR IMMEDIATE ACTION.
Posted: Feb 24, 2012 1:29pm
Hegbli: If you can find me a round trip to Germany for under $50 I'll do it.
STAY TOONED... @ www.petebiro.com
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JamesinLA
Inner circle
Los Angeles
3209 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 1:30pm
It would be in their interest not to infringe on someone with as high a profile as Pete.
Jim
Oh, my friend we're older but no wiser, for in our hearts the dreams are still the same...
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Pete Biro
V.I.P.
17743 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 1:37pm
Thanks, Jim.
STAY TOONED... @ www.petebiro.com
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Regan
Inner circle
U.S.A.
5435 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 2:34pm
Pete, that is great news! I commend Paul and Hocus Pocus for doing the right thing!
Regan
Mister Mystery
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Oliver Ross
Inner circle
Europe
1463 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:11pm
Pete,
Did you at least find out who manufactures this ripp off ? I did a search on internet, but all german shop have the same advertising picture and text. The only one that differs is the one sold by www.boretti-shop.de since they are giving some history of the effect in their advertising.
Here's the link : http://www.boretti-shop.de/index.htm
Scroll down a bit and you'll see the picture. If I'm right you read a little german, aren't you Pete ?
If needed, feel free to ask me for a translation.
I hate poeple stepping on other people's feets to make money. It's yours and it should remain so.
Oliver.
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Bob Sanders
Grammar Supervisor
Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama
19258 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:36pm
Quote:
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On 2012-02-24 14:34, Regan wrote:
Pete, that is great news! I commend Paul and Hocus Pocus for doing the right thing!
Regan
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I am proud to agree!
Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander / The Amazed Wiz
AmazedWiz@yahoo.com
SilkMagic@DoveLite.com
http://www.magicbysander.com/
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SpellbinderEntertainment
Inner circle
West Coast
3244 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:37pm
Our Bill Palmer is our German expert, he can even write a book in it!
And Paul at HP is really one of the "good guys" in magic, high level of integrity.
Pete, I'm from Chicago, and we have a way of dealing with enemies...
Magically, Walt
“Tales of Enchantment: The Art of Magic”
by Walt Anthony
www.LeapingLizardsMagic.com
"spinning tales and weaving enchantment"
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SmittyWitty
Regular user
Fairhaven, MA
183 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:08pm
I also commend Paul and Hocus Pocus for doing the right thing.
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silking
Regular user
163 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:30pm
PAUL IS THE BEST !!!
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bowers
Inner circle
3008 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 5:38pm
I'm glad to see this resolved.
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Pete Biro
V.I.P.
17743 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 5:52pm
OLIVER: Thanks... I looked over Boretti's site and finally found it. I will email him promptly. I also got the dealer name that supplied Hocus-Pocus and let him know as well.
STAY TOONED... @ www.petebiro.com
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Christopher Lyle
Inner circle
Dallas, Texas
5224 Posts
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 11:26pm
I'm very happy to hear this....
In Mystery,
Christopher Lyle
Magician, Comic, Daredevil, and Balloon Twisting Genius
For a Good Time...CLICK HERE!
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Dougini
Inner circle
I have killed more topics with my
4524 Posts
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Posted: Feb 25, 2012 11:17am
My gosh...now PETE gets ripped off??? I give up. Pete Biro is one our most prized members, and it INFLAMES me to read about this...and, we DO have German friends, Pete! They make "Good Fellas" look like children! Ha! Seriously...this is a ***-**** shame! 
Doug
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Pete Biro
V.I.P.
17743 Posts
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Posted: Feb 25, 2012 1:08pm
Well, fans... I just got an email from the guy MAKING THEM in Germany... he say's, It is not my trick and he will CONTINUE.
I have replied telling him the facts and history, in that I made this up 20 years ago in my act and did it on TV in Japan in 1980, then 10 years ago put it on the market through Stevens Magic.
His price is around #125.00 -- mine just under $50.00.
STAY TOONED... @ www.petebiro.com
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billappleton
Inner circle
Los Gatos, California
1047 Posts
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Posted: Feb 25, 2012 2:47pm
Thanks Paul and hocus-pocus!
Check out Under Glass
A Clearly Impossible Prediction!
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Leo Reynolds Jr
Special user
689 Posts
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Posted: Feb 25, 2012 9:12pm
Does he have any other tricks out we can boycott them?
Best
Leo Jr
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Rainboguy
Inner circle
1052 Posts
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Posted: Feb 25, 2012 9:32pm
In my personal opinion, Magicians who truly love and respect the art of performing magic should ALWAYS insist on buying original magic and not supporting knock-offs or rip-offs.
There are good and sound reasons for insisting on NOT buying knock-offs:
1. First and foremost.....knock-offs and rip-offs are nothing more than thievery....of intellectual property of the originator. Let's not support people who steal from our fellow magicians.
2. People who knowingly buy rip-offs and knock-offs actually discourage innovation in magic equipment manufacturing...this ultimately hurts not only the original inventor/manufacturer of the original effect, but also magicians who buy this stuff, since they are 'sealing their destiny' with their purchases of illegal or inferior goods.......
3. I truly believe that quality magic pieces are, in essence, "works of art".....and more often than not, are made with love and a great deal of time, effort and attention and passion....let's support those individuals in magic who innovate and turn out great stuff..........besides......what "art collector" would knowingly buy "a rip off"?.......
4. I think a lot of this also has to do with honor and respect.......let's honor and respect those inventors/manufacturers who create originals by buying from them.
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bojanbarisic
Veteran user
Croatia
376 Posts
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Posted: Feb 26, 2012 4:58am
Pete does your routine predates one by Terry Seabrooke ?
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Pete Biro
V.I.P.
17743 Posts
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Posted: Feb 26, 2012 1:44pm
Seabrooke put Styrofoam replica sink stoppers on his Chinese Sticks. We collaborated on lots of things, and I made up a set of sticks with the Styrofoam stoppers, BUT THEN I ADDED THE FAUCET TAPS. Then, when I tried to use real sink stoppers on the Chinese sticks they were too heavy and it dawned on me that the Pom Pom stick can use heavy items on the cords, as they do not work like the Chinese sticks with a weight internally, lifting.
THAT IS WHEN THE PLUMBER'S STICKS WAS BORN. I did this before 1980, as I did it on a TV Special in Japan in '80.
When I decided to make them up to market (at Joe Stevens' suggestion) I decided to use all inexpensive, real, PVC pipe, etc. from Home Depot, as a comedy prop should not look slick.
I also didn't want the price point too high, so that kids could afford them.
STAY TOONED... @ www.petebiro.com
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bojanbarisic
Veteran user
Croatia
376 Posts
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Posted: Feb 26, 2012 2:00pm
I think you should also get in touch with Stolina Magie since that prop has been in their catalog for a long time. Personally I have never heard anyone complains about Boretti before. He has published many original routines in his lecture notes in last 20-30 years.I will check if he included that routine in his notes and what year it was.
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Pete Biro
V.I.P.
17743 Posts
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Posted: Feb 26, 2012 4:00pm
Thanks, I looked t it on Stolina's site. I don't read German, but I did see Seabrooke's name there. What I do know is the man at www.future-magic.de is the one MAKING THEM and he refused to budge.
Right now it looks like I can't stop him, but his price of $125.00 vs. $49.50 for the originals should help me.
STAY TOONED... @ www.petebiro.com
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makeupguy
Inner circle
1255 Posts
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Posted: Feb 26, 2012 4:38pm
Paul Gross is one of the best dealers I have ever worked with.. honest, nice.. always lookign out for his dealers AND his customers in the most ethical way possible.
Pete is one of the more creative, kinder magicians in the biz.. and certainly doesn't need to be ripped off by someone with questionable ethics.
Both of these guys have helped to make http://www.wack-o-magic.com one of the most successful new magic manufacturers... and I have to thank them both for their business, creativity, and their ethics.
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