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JohnWells
Inner circle
The Southern Wild
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Posted: Mar 4, 2012 7:44pm
Does anyone actually have this?
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Peter_turner
Special user
Bradford, West Yorkshire
730 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 8:05am
I have been told its Prager's "Duplo" just renamed and sold to papercrane. I never bought the product, but the original Duplo video tipped everything. I personally don't like the method, if you have to take hold of the billet, why not employ other techniques such as a Pk.
(I do not mean psychokinesis, anyone who is not a lay should look at that should know what I mean).
Making the thing in *MY* opinion a waste of money (if you have better methods of data extraction).
Pete
"it's whispered that soon, if we all call a tune, then the piper will lead us to reason"
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Simon (Ted) Edwards
Inner circle
London
1324 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 8:37am
I'm a bit confused about the OP's question and motivation now.
Initially Peter claimed not to have a problem with the creator of the effect nor the method:
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On 2012-03-03 05:23, Peter_turner wrote:
What they are essentially saying is, the video cannot be played in a continous shot as we would instantly twig the method? (I know the method and have no problems with it)...
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Now Peter claims that he doesn't like the method and that it is a waste of money (despite never having bought it):
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On 2012-03-05 08:05, Peter_turner wrote:
I never bought the product, but the original Duplo video tipped everything. I personally don't like the method... Making the thing in *MY* opinion a waste of money...
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I think everyone here has been stung my either misleading adverts or having been naive in reading too much into an advert. This particular advert seems really fair - even going as far as to offer a money-back guarantee, which is pretty unusual in an industry where one buys secrets.
Video demos and written descriptions almost *always* describe the effect as seen by the audience. This means that it's entirely fair to cut out moments in which a real, live audience would be distracted.
I just get the feeling that, despite the original claim, this thread is aimed at an individual.
T.
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Peter_turner
Special user
Bradford, West Yorkshire
730 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 11:45am
Ok, I will phrase this in a way a monkey could understand it.
I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH JOSE...IF I DID ***HE*** WOULD BE THE FIRST TO KNOW ABOUT IT (I would not do it via public forum).
I HAVE NO *PROBLEMS* WITH THE METHOD....Does not mean I have to like it and to ******ME****** (notice the emphasis on ME as also depicted in my earlier post) it would be a waste of money ****ME**** buying it as I have BETTER METHODS. IT DOES NOT MEAN THIS WILL NOT BE PERFECT FOR YOU.
AGAIN GOING BACK TO A POINT I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT ONE MAN'S GOLD IS ANOTHER MAN'S TRASH AND VICE VERSA.
Simon, you have either A. Looked into things too literally and not understood or B. You are trying to cause an argument.
I am hoping its A.
I am not implying ****YOU**** are a monkey, I am just sure it will stop anyone having any more problems with issues that are NONE existent.
John asked a question I answered without LYING, as I initiated the post its polite to reciprocate when someone converses.
IF YOU NEED ANY MORE PROOF THAT I DO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH PRAGER, SEE INNER THOUGHTS TITLE = ME (by Prager).
Hope this puts to bed any problems.
Pete
(P.s I know the capitals are rather rude but I have had a bad afternoon!  )
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Sean Giles
Inner circle
Cambridge/ UK
1930 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:22pm
Sounds like that hacker is back.
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Simon (Ted) Edwards
Inner circle
London
1324 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:37pm
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On 2012-03-05 11:45, Peter_turner wrote:
Ok, I will phrase this in a way a monkey could understand it...
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Wow, OK...
Firstly, I'm not trying to start an argument.
Secondly, more or less everything stated on this forum is an opinion. I understand that.
Thirdly, in *my* opinion you are contradicting yourself. I base this opinion on what you wrote, and not what you meant to write. Not being a genuine mind-reader I only have your expressed views to go by. The fact is that you singled out an advert for one of Jose's products, which was actually a pretty fair advert. Jose just happens to be receiving flack in other threads at the moment. I actually feel that he does need to answer for the way he's behaved relatively recently, but that's not the issue here. Maybe your choice of advert was an unfortunate coincidence? It was, in my opinion, a particularly poor example of a misleading advert.
Finally, I note that you don't wish to imply that I have the mental capacity of a monkey (I paraphrase). May I respectfully suggest that if you don't wish to be misunderstood in future that you don't start your message off with a statement like, "Ok, I will phrase this in a way a monkey could understand it," because that does pretty much imply what you later claim not to imply 
Sorry to hear that you've had a bad afternoon.
T.
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Peter_turner
Special user
Bradford, West Yorkshire
730 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:41pm
Yeah of course sean??
I can assure you no one has hacked my profile. I just wanted to make my point really clear
We also found out exactly who used my name, have the persons address, I.p and name....
I just was thought it was profound that someone was trying to imply I had untoward intentions about a member of this forum and wanted to make it really clear I did not.
No crime committed
Pete
"Keep on rocking in the free world"
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Peter_turner
Special user
Bradford, West Yorkshire
730 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:46pm
Simon,
I would never say you had the mental capacity of a monkey, you helped me with a situation recently and I will be forever grateful for that. through the emails we sent each other I could clearly tell you are an educated man and really went out of your way for me.
Which I would repay at the drop of a hat.
I just did not want people thinking I had singled out someone and hated them. That is a form of bullying and that is one thing I am not, I guess I was frustrated and it added to the lumber (which was not your fault).
I apologise if anyone has taken that post as offensive as that was not the intention (I get ahead of myself sometimes and get a little passionate about things).
Pete
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Simon (Ted) Edwards
Inner circle
London
1324 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:52pm
Excellent. I wish you a much improved evening
T.
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Davit Sicseek
Inner circle
1787 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:58pm
Something doesn't add up here. So far, the thread is baring all the hallmarks of (lower-order) monkey logic.
Peter would I be right in thinking that you wish to fully withdraw your suggestion that Prager's promotional material for his effect amounts to miss-selling? In that case then I believe Prager deserves a public apology. It seems like his method of selling conforms almost perfectly to the best-practice of marketing an effect that doesn't 100% stand up to repeated, slow motion video viewing. Your lucky he's not based in the UK and sueing you for libel.
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IAIN
Inner circle
england
8329 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 1:04pm
Tune in next week folks, for "monkeys at large, in forum court...".
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Peter_turner
Special user
Bradford, West Yorkshire
730 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 1:12pm
Libel? that's preposterous
I will not be publicly apologising for the post about the product, because what some may consider fair and what I consider fair may be two very different things.
If Prager has taken any offence to my post (that is a different kettle of fish), I apologise for any hard feelings he may have.
He got some free publicity out of it (I hope this is taken as a joke)
Pete
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mastermindreader
V.I.P.
Seattle, WA
6072 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 1:25pm
There was absolutely nothing in the OPINION expressed in the first post that even comes close to meeting the elements of libel.
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Davit Sicseek
Inner circle
1787 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 2:25pm
If a court deemed it to be an 'opinion' then you may be right. There is nothing in the allegation that Penguin/Prager put out "lies" that suggested it was an opinion, nor did Peter make it clear that he wasn't in possession of full information. Looks like a statement of 'fact' to me - and the allegation of being a liar and the consequences that flow from such an allegation certainly tick the libel boxes. Either way - if it was my product, I'd be more than a little annoyed for it to be claimed that such promotional material is "lies".
Peter:
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So what exactly do you think is unfair?
You are accusing him of miss-selling and being a liar. These are pretty serious allegations. I don't see him doing either of those things in regard to this product - and you even agreed in your second post that my assessment of the situation was 'perfect'. What has changed? If you are selling an effect that doesn't live up to repeated, slow motion, video viewings (which is quite legitimate) - then you can't really show the delicate moment on the promotional video.
Iain tells me that I'm a bright guy - but I am confused.
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mastermindreader
V.I.P.
Seattle, WA
6072 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 2:28pm
Davit- The TITLE that Pete gave to this thread is "OPINIONS on the misell of products."
What isn't clear about that?
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Davit Sicseek
Inner circle
1787 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 2:45pm
Prefixing a defamatory statement with an the word "opinions" (several paragraphs earlier) doesn't give you a license to spit out defamatory statements till your heart is content. The allegation of lying is deemed a falsifiable statement and save in a few circumstances is not an 'opinion' in the legal sense of the word.
Legal jousting aside - do you not think Peter is out of line here?
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mastermindreader
V.I.P.
Seattle, WA
6072 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 3:04pm
I am fully aware of the legal sense of the word. I am an attorney, after all.
I have stated in a previous post, what my thoughts are regarding the use of video advertisements.
While I don't quite understand how Penguin's statement constitutes a "lie," nor do I see anything, that I would call "out of line" in Peter's statement, which is clearly just opinion.
Here is the original post:
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| Is it just me or are other people pi*sed of with the way products are being sold these days?
The following excerpt is not an attack on the indervidual (as I know he didn't edit the video). Its the foot note I couldn't believe on penguins site.
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"SYNC's demo video has been edited to protect the secret. You will need to briefly touch the card. We guarantee you'll love SYNC so much, that if for whatever reason you're not 100% satisfied, just let us know within 30 days for a full refund".
What they are essentially saying is, the video cannot be played in a continous shot as we would instantly twig the method? (I know the method and have no problems with it). I just don't believe we are using these kind of sales tactics to sell products!
I am sick of seeing the constant lies from advertisements, any body else have an opinion to share?
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It is clear from the start that he is not attacking the creator at all, but the written blurb on the Penguin site. In other words, he is attacking an commercial ADVERTISEMENT, not an individual. It is Penguin who wrote the part that Pete is attacking.
I am not aware of any application of libel law that has awarded a judgment against someone who has questioned the veracity, wording, etc. of a commercial advertisement. That sort of thing is done all the time on this very forum. You yourself have attacked many ads (AND INDIVIDUALS, I might add) that in your OPINION were less than ethical in the way they promoted or advertised products.
Good thoughts,
Bob
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IAIN
Inner circle
england
8329 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 3:05pm
Oh davit, belt up old son...you must be bored (again)...
big difference between thinking someone is out of line vs claiming legal action...
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Davit Sicseek
Inner circle
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 4:17pm
I'm not interested in the legal argument. Its all moot anyway (ho ho) since I can't imagine a international defamation case between two small time mentalists ever getting anywhere. I guess my point is that this is an example of being "severely out of line" which is certainly where legal action would be called for.
Maybe its be being a troublesome old goat - but to claim 'miss-selling' and 'lies' (notwithstanding the word 'opinion') when it is clear to see this isn't the case is pretty poor form.
Granted, when I feel someone is being unethical I will pipe up - but I'd wager that in the vast majority of cases I am right on the money, not to mention the fact that 'being unethical' is not a disprovable statement (and therefore IS an opinion) - unlike 'being a liar'.
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JohnWells
Inner circle
The Southern Wild
1785 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 4:21pm
I'm still not clear on a salient point. Is this a new method, as claimed in the advert?
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Dr Spektor
Inner circle
The frosty North
8845 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 4:36pm
Eek eek!
How many mentalist monkeys does it take to peel a banana?
eek eek!
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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mastermindreader
V.I.P.
Seattle, WA
6072 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 4:54pm
Davit-
You are clearly missing one major point. You keep saying that Pete has said something about Jose. (I assume they are the two you condescendingly referred to as 'small time mentalists'.) But the fact of the matter is that Pete makes clear IN THE ORIGINAL POST, which I've already cited once, that his argument is with the editing and ad copy by Penguin AND NOT WITH JOSE.
Again, from the first post:
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Where, then, is the alleged libel against Jose?
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Peter_turner
Special user
Bradford, West Yorkshire
730 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 5:26pm
Thank you Bob,
You are a real gem
I am glad you can see I have no malicious intent. You are a real kind heart!
Pete
"let me take you down coz I'm going to strawberry fields".
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mastermindreader
V.I.P.
Seattle, WA
6072 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 5:32pm
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On 2012-03-05 17:26, Peter_turner wrote:
Thank you Bob,
You are a real gem
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My girlfriend says I'm a real treasure. (And that if I don't watch out, she's going to make me a buried treasure.)
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