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cartouche7

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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 7:53am    Reply with quote   View Profile of cartouche7  

Hello,
If some of you know about the Japanese game of Mahjong, maybe you will appreciate this Japanese series about mahjong cheaters. The mahjong played in japan is different of the Chinese mahjong, the true name of the Japanese version is Riichi, this is a strategic game.
Here is the link for watching this series. http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/%5Bk-profiler%5D+Legendary+Gambler+Tetsuya/1
Those move where really used by Japanese cheaters. And I believe you can find some information about marked tiles in Steve forte's book.
tommy

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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 10:31am    tommy is on-line  Reply with quote   View Profile of tommy  

I have never played but I have watched many very high stakes games in action. I used to pick up a pal of mine who was a Chinaman from a game and drive him to the poker club. My friend is dead now and I don't see the games any longer. I met the Chinaman in prison and he was in there for trying to buy a casino and attempting to bribe the Gaming Commission to do so. There was lot of dough in the little room above a little Chinese restaurant in the what we call the China Quarter. The game is also played in a csino by me but the noise they make slamming them down gets on my nerves.

If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
tomsk192

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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 7:53pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of tomsk192  

Sorry, but where, in the UK is there a China quarter? C'mon mate. Seriously.
AMcD

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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 8:30pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of AMcD  

Ever been in London?

www.arnoldmcdonald.org
cartouche7

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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 8:42pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of cartouche7  

Just for precision, the mahjong played by chinese is more a hazardous game than the game in the video. It's not the same game at all.

Here some videos of gambling move:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8o5ryA8wOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsD1wIMUWog&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4GkPcZ6Xi4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6moCVZUsCmI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt_Ab55nKqU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkwNS27SYdI&feature=related

It's incredible.
tommy

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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 8:55pm    tommy is on-line  Reply with quote   View Profile of tommy  

Five minutes from a little restaurant bar in Birmingham, St Pauls Square, in The Jewellery Quarter, http://stirlingsbar.co.uk/news--whats-on if you want a bet mate.

If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
Cagliostro

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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 9:43pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Cagliostro  

I know nothing about Japanese Mahjong but some might find this article of interest.
http://davidhurley.articlealley.com/is-it-really-cheating-the-japanese-mahjong-thumbrub-explained-502008.html

Quote:
Is It Really Cheating? The Japanese Mahjong Thumb-rub Explained!
Published: 01st April 2008

Most modern Japanese mahjong sets have tiles which are made of nylon with the mahjong characters stamped on the tile-face. It is not difficult to learn to read what the characters stand for, whether they are winds, dragons or the three numbered suits. However, the indentations left by the stamp mean that the tiles can be "read" in an entirely different say.

And that is just what many of the more experienced Japanese mahjong players like to do in the course of a game - use feel the concealed face of the tile next to be taken from the wall with their thumbs! Yes, not a few seasoned hands have become competent at tile-reading by rubbing the indentations on tile-face with their thumbs.

It takes hours of practice to get to the point where you can accurately distinguish each of the 34 different tile faces of a standard Japanese mahjong set with your thumb, and there seems to be little advantage in being able to do so. It is a diverting party trick and it also adds some kudos to a player's game if the player can pluck a tile from the wall, announce what it is and discard it without so much as glancing at it. As mahjong is best played at a fast and furious pace, being able to read and discard tiles swiftly does help the flow of the game, but beyond that there seems little practical advantage to be gained in learning the skill.

However, in one instance that I can think of some small advantage could be gained about an opponent's tile by use of the "thumb-reading" technique. Experienced mahjong players enjoy playing a fast-paced game so if one player hesitates before discarding a tile, the player to his right is likely to have reached for "his" tile on the end of the wall before the first player has discarded. An experienced tile-reader places his thumb under the tile on the wall that he is about to take so that he can "read" it while waiting for his turn.

But then, when the player on his left discards a tile, if another player claims it as a "Pon" the "thumb-reader" would not in fact draw the tile from the wall and it is more than likely that the tile will go to a different player. In that case the "thumb reader" will know what the tile is and will perhaps pay attention to where it is placed in the other player's hand.

Some people might object that such a practice is a form of cheating, but others counter that it is just part parcel of the Japanese approach to the game.

It might also be pointed out that there is nothing to stop the player who received the tile from practising some deception by placing it somewhere in his hand where it does not really belong in the hope that the "thumb-reader" will draw the wrong conclusions about the make-up of his hand.

Whatever your attitude towards players reading tiles with their thumbs may be, that it can be done at all shows you how sensitive the human thumb - or "oya-yubi" in Japanese - can be.

poonchingyip

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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 11:00pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of poonchingyip  

I play Chinese Mahjong regulary, so this is actually quite interesting to me. =)

- Arthur
tommy

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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 1:04am    tommy is on-line  Reply with quote   View Profile of tommy  

Personally I would not dream of messing with the Chinamen and their game. I have seen what happens if you do in the casino I refer to above.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/aug/03/ukcrime.tonythompson

If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
Tony45

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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 7:31am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Tony45  

I used to play a few games with the Oriental cards years ago, they were small and made of very stiff plastic. I was partners with this Korean kid for a while on a game we had on W35th street in NY and he taught me the game and we used to play with 4 of us, just for small money but it was a fun game. I remember it was mainly pictures of flowers and birds, lol.

Another place I worked at they played pi gow tiles and this was strictly Chinese and they played for serious money. A friend of mine from Pell street had a piece of the game and he put a 21 game in the back room for the guys who brought their girlfriends and sent them back there to play. Me and this kids girl were dealing it and we made good money, it was only like a $50 limit game but it turned him a decent profit. this kid was nuts though, I went with him to AC a few times and we wouldnt be there for 1/2 an hour and he would be stuck 20 dimes, maniac.
AMcD

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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 7:53am    Reply with quote   View Profile of AMcD  

@tony,

I suppose you're talking about cards like these?

http://blog.korea.net/?p=1011

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tomsk192

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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 8:02am    Reply with quote   View Profile of tomsk192  

Quote:

On 2012-03-05 20:55, tommy wrote:
Five minutes from a little restaurant bar in Birmingham, St Pauls Square, in The Jewellery Quarter, http://stirlingsbar.co.uk/news--whats-on if you want a bet mate.



Fair enough, am not so familiar with Brum.

But AMcD, I am FROM London, it's called Chinatown.
cartouche7

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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 8:38am    Reply with quote   View Profile of cartouche7  

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tommy

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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 12:42pm    tommy is on-line  Reply with quote   View Profile of tommy  

The first Chinese resturant to open in the China Quarter in Birmingham in the 50s was called The Tong....., which means the hall, the happy gathering place. The fellows from Hong Kong are gambling crazy, its not of course but it seems to me, its all they do for fun. My pal was the man here, two words from him in the China Palace Casino and the action would stop dead and the place would empty of all the Chinese at least. You don't need to cheat a casino when you have the power to close down a casino like that I think. I guess he was Tong but I don't know though as I asked no questions. Strangly he was the only chinaman in the China Palace casino that played poker and its the only casino here I have seen them play Mahjong in. I guess there are some but I don't even know one Englishmen that plays Mahjong.

If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
tomsk192

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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 1:32pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of tomsk192  

Interesting stuff.

I've seen serious money change hands over "Go", played throughout Asia. It is a fiendish game! I guess few people get into these games if they haven't played from a fairly young age.
cartouche7

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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 1:45pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of cartouche7  

According to my knowledge, the only way for cheating at Go is when we count the score.
tomsk192

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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 1:50pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of tomsk192  

Yes, it's the level of expertise that would warn me off. When I lived in Oxford, a whole bunch of graduate students used to meet weekly in a bar I frequented; they were mostly mathematicians and physicists. I was friendly with one if them, still am, a theoretical physicist and Rhodes scholar: he felt it was more stimulating than chess.

I used to watch...
Tony45

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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 2:40pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Tony45  

Quote:

On 2012-03-06 07:53, AMcD wrote:
@tony,

I suppose you're talking about cards like these?

http://blog.korea.net/?p=1011



that's the cards, you just brought back some memories with that link.
tommy

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Posted: Mar 6, 2012 2:40pm    tommy is on-line  Reply with quote   View Profile of tommy  

By the way as we are talking Chinese, you have to get The Mott Street Poker Club. It goes with The Thomas Street Poker Club Lectures book. They are not exactly politically correct books but I love them.

http://www.lulu.com/product/ebook/the-mott-street-poker-club/17513317

You can get the hard copy there also I think.

If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
isis_izumi

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Posted: Mar 7, 2012 7:31am    Reply with quote   View Profile of isis_izumi  

Wow I loved reading and watching Tetsuya. Sometimes my friends and I get togather and play mahjang online without cheating, of course...
cartouche7

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Posted: Mar 7, 2012 7:47am    Reply with quote   View Profile of cartouche7  

Isis, you probably know about Akagi right?
Magic Marshal

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Posted: Mar 7, 2012 12:11pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Magic Marshal  

@Tommy
The Mott Street book looks like a real interesting read! Just picked up the PDF.
Do you have a link for the books you mentioned that go with them - "The Thomas Street Poker Club Lectures book"?
Cheers,
R

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tommy

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Posted: Mar 7, 2012 2:05pm    tommy is on-line  Reply with quote   View Profile of tommy  

http://www.archive.org/details/lecturesbeforeth00carlrich

If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
Magic Marshal

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Posted: Mar 7, 2012 2:59pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Magic Marshal  

Thank you kindly!
-R

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"Remember the à la mode!"
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