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djurmann
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Posted: Mar 17, 2012 8:46pm
Hello I have both hard and soft peas....what is the advantage of a hard pea?
Many thanks,
Danny
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James Trinity
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Posted: Mar 18, 2012 2:01am
It really depends on the system and shells you use, take the school for scoundrels type for instance, the soft is for using and the hard is for letting the spectators play. 
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James Trinity
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Posted: Mar 18, 2012 3:20am
Not to mention if memory serves me right, the soft pea was originally introduced for shells incorporating the "Chanin dip"
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Pop Haydn
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Posted: Mar 18, 2012 11:51am
Scoundrels has three kinds of peas.
The "Working" peas are made of a rubbery plastic material that is slightly more compressible than a pencil eraser. They are perfectly round without seams. They work on any surface, including glass or marble.
The "Magnetic" peas are Working peas that have had a tiny neodymion magnet inserted.
The "Hard" peas are made of hard plastic and will not "work"--they will stay under the shell when it is moved. These are used for letting the spectator handle the shell and peas.
Compressible peas are made of soft sponge, hollow latex, or sponge filled latex. These usually don't work for very long, and will only work on certain surfaces.
Our peas are modeled on the ones used on the street made from pencil erasers or earlier from the natural rubber used on printer rollers.
The hollow latex (invented by a British dentist and amateur magician) and latex-covered sponge peas were always a magician thing, and never used on the street. They are, in my opinion, not practical.
The Chanin Dip in the shells is a front to back rocking chair action of the shell, it enables a harder pea like ours to come in and out of the shell much more smoothly. But it isn't necessary.
Our Perfect Pea works very well with untreated bottle caps, as Bob Sheet's Boot Camp showed.
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James Trinity
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Posted: Mar 18, 2012 4:23pm
Whew! I was hoping an expert would show up, thanks Pop!
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benhart
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Posted: Mar 19, 2012 2:34am
I just bought some great shells and peas from www.3shells.com that has a new type pea that is a soft rubber metal blend pea that you would never know by looking at it. It is their standard pea. They don't sell a hard pea. Their bottom ridge shells that I bought comes with peas that can act like a hard or soft pea as the pea will not come out when moved in all directions, so the spectator is able to examine everything without switching anything out. I like this system as never liked switching in a hard pea they never look the same and the hard pea will make a sound on hitting the shell walls, where it didn't when the game was played. Their standard pea does it all and works very well in a finger clip. I found these on a post in close up magic-ever so sleightly.
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djurmann
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Posted: Mar 19, 2012 6:14pm
Thank you everyone, that cleared that up. I would say that the school for scoundrels peas (hard and soft) look identical so no problem there. I have not found that the soft pea works "even on glass" as stated but then I am new to the shell game so perhaps it will come. lifting the back of the bottle cap certainly helps.
Best wishes and thank you again.
Danny
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Pop Haydn
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Posted: Mar 22, 2012 6:40pm
The pea works on glass. To use a shell on a hard surface like marble or glass, it helps to have the Chanin Dip and and Twig Notch, which the caps don't have.
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djurmann
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Posted: Mar 23, 2012 10:56am
Ah! I will be in NY soon and hope to visit Tannens' and have a look at your street shells. With the caps I am finding it difficult on any hard surface...but in addition to a Chanin Dip and a Twig Notch I suspect I also need practice and skill :o).
Best wishes,
Danny
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Pop Haydn
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Posted: Mar 23, 2012 3:03pm
The caps were never meant to be used on a hard surface. They are usually worked on a velveteen covered jeweler's display board. These boards are cardboard, lightly cushioned, and cost about $3.00 at a jewelry supply store.
Our shells and pea were deliberately designed to suit the needs of magicians, not hustlers. A hustler will always have a mat. Walk-around performers may often want to work without anything they can't carry in their pockets. Our shells and peas were designed to work well on slick wooden bartops, marble coffee-tables, glass top tables, etc. The peas work on any surface, unlike latex and sponge peas which require a surface with some friction. The features of our shells make them work well on these slicker, harder surfaces.
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djurmann
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Posted: Mar 24, 2012 5:21pm
Aha, thank you for the clarification!
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bishthemagish
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Posted: Apr 28, 2012 11:35pm
I always use a sponge ball - small by gosh - when doing the shell game. I also always use a close up mat and only do the shells in a show. The sponge ball is a very good pea and there are a lot of moves that I use and can be done with it routine wise.
Whatever peas and shells you choose - they all can work. Try several and several shells to and find out what you like to use.
I hope this helps.
Just a few thoughts and opinion.
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Dave V
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 12:21pm
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On 2012-04-28 23:35, bishthemagish wrote:
Whatever peas and shells you choose - they all can work.
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Just to be clear, if you're talking hard and soft peas I'm going to assume you have the SfS Perfect Peas.
The hard pea is intended to *not* work. It's a decoy. So, in your case use the soft pea.
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bishthemagish
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:34pm
What I was talking about was hard pea's cut from rubber. Like soft pea's cut from foam rubber - they also work.
I hope this helps.
Just a few thoughts and opinion.
Glenn Bishop - Bish The Magish!
Magician, Card Sharp and Master Hypnotist.
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cheaptrick
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Posted: May 8, 2012 10:26pm
I usually use S4S Perfect Peas with Gary Ouellet's SUPERSHELLS routine (from Camirand) with a closeup pad. The shells are natural walnut shells that have their insides smoothed with sand paper. Make up your own in you want to. The book that accompanies the package gives the details.
Works great.
Sometimes I use peas fashioned out of natural latex rubber. I found a manufacturer of mattresses made from this material online. They were offering free samples, so I scored enough material for several lifetimes of performing. I color these with a magic marker.
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Andy Charlton
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Posted: Aug 25, 2012 11:51am
I use the SFS perfect peas.
I use them with Black Fox's Master Walnut Shells on any surface, Marble Bar tops, Glass topped tables, Wooden tables, or of course, with a close up mat. I also use the SFS peas with other shells, and bottle caps, but I use a mat then.
There are softer peas out there, but I like to feel exactly where the pea is in my hand. For the same reason, I don't like to use supersoft sponge balls in sponge ball routines.
Andy
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