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mrmagik68
Loyal user
223 Posts
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Posted: Mar 25, 2012 12:56pm
When I first got started in magic back in1990 I started off with trick gimmicks and magic sets, etc.. Then came books on magic which eventually led me to a strong interest in card magic, after reading Royal Road. Shortly thereafter, I discovered Vernon and made it my business to get every one of his books I could get my hands on. I not only studied Vernon's tricks and theories but also his life and rich history. When L&L first released his videos on VHS I was in heaven. I can truly say that I learned so much from Vernon's written words. I wonder, do today's magicians, especially young newcomers to magic, study Vernon?
It would be great to hear from both, beginning magicians and seasoned vets as well. Thanks!
Roberto
Original Card Clinician
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Stanyon
Inner circle
Landrum, S.C. by way of Chicago
2885 Posts
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Posted: Mar 25, 2012 4:14pm
I would venture a guess that most of them study 'YouTube"!
Stanyon
aka Steve Taylor
"Every move a move!"
"If you've enjoyed my performance half as much as I've enjoyed performing for you, then you've enjoyed it twice as much as me!"
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Bob Sanders
Grammar Supervisor
Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama
19260 Posts
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Posted: Mar 27, 2012 12:36pm
Stanyon,
Sadly, I'm afraid you are right again. It gives meaning to being "duplicately unique". They even have to have the same designer wornout jeans, t-shirts and caps/hats. It seems to make being creative a fault.
I remember a young man in Atlanta once telling me that he, "only did the most modern magic. He only did street magic." Weren't they doing that before there were streets?
A real mark of the "DVD" magician to me is that he knows some isolated tricks but nothing about shows and routines. It is more like being in algerbra class where we present puzzles rather than entertainment. (Oops! Entertaining in algebra class got some of us in trouble a few times. Thankfully there are no videos! But class reunions never include forgiveness. They still ask us to entertain them decades later.)
Classics are not classics by accident. Studying them is hardly a waste of time for a serious entertainer. It is just getting back to reality.
Remember the most basic rule in duck hunting is going to where there are ducks. Learning magic might include going to real magicians. Magic doesn't start with a video camera.
Bob
Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander / The Amazed Wiz
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SilkMagic@DoveLite.com
http://www.magicbysander.com/
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Stanyon
Inner circle
Landrum, S.C. by way of Chicago
2885 Posts
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Posted: Mar 27, 2012 4:29pm
Go where there are ducks.........so that's what I've been doing wrong all these years!
Steve
Stanyon
aka Steve Taylor
"Every move a move!"
"If you've enjoyed my performance half as much as I've enjoyed performing for you, then you've enjoyed it twice as much as me!"
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Michael Baker
Inner circle
Near a river in the Midwest
8462 Posts
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Posted: Mar 27, 2012 9:16pm
Considering the fact that a lot of "new" magic isn't much more than uncredited borrowing and re-hash, it's likely the noobs are studying Vernon without knowing. Hopefully, it doesn't all get lost in translation.
~michael baker
The Magic Company
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motown
Inner circle
Atlanta by way of Detroit
4765 Posts
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Posted: Mar 27, 2012 11:15pm
If they don't, they should.
"If you ever write anything about me after I'm gone, I will come back and haunt you."
– Karl Germain
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Father Photius
Grammar Host
El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo)
15702 Posts
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Posted: Mar 27, 2012 11:52pm
For most noobs, Vernon is way out of their league. If they get serious and deeper into magic with time, most generally return to the earlier masters to learn from.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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billmarq
Elite user
but still a novice after
407 Posts
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Posted: Mar 28, 2012 11:10am
Good question. I picked up a book on street magic from Amazon. It was a real waste of money. I am not impressed by stunts like poking my thumb through my ear. What was funny to me also was that some of the first effects covered in this book involved sitting at a table. I guess performing at an outdoor Café can be considered street magic.
Any magic performed well that entertains is fine by me but I still believe that if someone wants to be a magician he needs to have a solid foundation in the basics. Any serious student will discover Vernon's teachings.
So much magic, so little time.
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Jim Oliver
Regular user
Las Cruces, New Mexico
133 Posts
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Posted: Mar 29, 2012 10:12pm
Not only Vernon, but Marlo, Tamariz, Ascanio as well!
I met some young magicians in El Paso last year who didn't know who any of these
great master were, much less study their works.
I was mortafied.
They will miss soooooooooooo much!
Jim
Ed Marlo rules
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Jim Oliver
Regular user
Las Cruces, New Mexico
133 Posts
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Posted: Mar 29, 2012 10:13pm
I meant to say masters not master.
Sorry.
Jim
Ed Marlo rules
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Pete Biro
V.I.P.
17755 Posts
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Posted: Apr 8, 2012 7:12pm
They should.
STAY TOONED... @ www.petebiro.com
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Rainboguy
Inner circle
1052 Posts
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Posted: Apr 11, 2012 10:09pm
Yes, Pete....they should.
They should also familiarize themselves with the things called "BOOKS".
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Anatole
Special user
927 Posts
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Posted: Apr 11, 2012 11:35pm
I learned to _entertain_ with magic from reading books like Henry Hay's _The Amateur Magician's Handbook_, Ganson's books, and even from Joseph Leeming's various books--and I won third place in close-up at the IBM convention in 1977.
I learned to draw from Andrew Loomis's books like _Fun with a Pencil_--and because of them I had the skills I needed to illustrate magic books like _The Collected Works of Alex Elmsley_ and John Bannon's _Impossibilia_.
Books are terrific. You don't need a machine to read them and they're fairly portable. With books you can "read between the lines." I don't think you can do that with a video.
----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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duanebarry
Special user
702 Posts
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 4:31pm
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On 2012-03-28 11:10, billmarq wrote:
Good question. I picked up a book on street magic from Amazon. It was a real waste of money. I am not impressed by stunts like poking my thumb through my ear.
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How about a stunt like seeming to bite a button off someone's clothing?
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Bill Palmer
Eternal Order
Only Jonathan Townsend has more than
23786 Posts
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Posted: Apr 16, 2012 11:55am
Malini used to get a lot of bookings with that one. It's in a book.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC
My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
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Shawn Evans
Regular user
172 Posts
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Posted: Apr 23, 2012 8:10pm
I have only been studying magic for about 4 years and I am a huge Vernon fan. Love studying magic books(Vernon, Jennings, LePaul,...Bill Simon, Card Manipulations...etc.) rather than DVDs. The only DVDs I really like are (besides maybe Daryl's Encyclopedia..or a few others) Aaron Fisher's. Do I count though? I started when I was 26 years old.
I took the Pledge
" The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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isis_izumi
New user
Osaka, JPN
42 Posts
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Posted: Apr 27, 2012 8:54am
In the case of my country, Japan, it is quite hard for a magician, who is willing to read articles written by Vernon in the past and speaks Japanese, to dive in the world of Vernon Touch. Sure if they not, they should - however there's only few translations which were contained in old Japanese magic out-of-printed magazines around 50s, and there's the big wall against us to do so...especially for younger magicians. Before learn Vernon, study English at first, anyway
btw, I've been reading Vernon Touch these days
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