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ringmaster
Inner circle
Memphis, Down in Dixie
1011 Posts
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Posted: Mar 29, 2012 7:23pm
With ungimmiced routines like Karol Fox's and the various solid cup handlings do we really need the augmented cups ?
I know it's spelled wrong.
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Mar 29, 2012 7:59pm
If you don't understand why having a chop cup is advantageous, then send all of your chop cups to me.
Seriously, there is not ONE, SINGLE, routine with an ungimmicked cup that will completely duplicate a good chop cup routine.
BTW, if you are a professional or semi-professional magician, you really owe it to the greats like Karrell Fox to learn how to spell their names.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC
My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
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ringmaster
Inner circle
Memphis, Down in Dixie
1011 Posts
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Posted: Mar 29, 2012 9:18pm
Thank you Bill.
At one time I did show Mr, Fox enough respect to own ALL of his books. I had to trade all of them to Dr John Stanford (sp ?) for emergency dental work.
I know it's spelled wrong.
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Bill Palmer
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23793 Posts
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Posted: Mar 29, 2012 10:50pm
Bummer! I understand that one completely. I've had my share of root canals and other work.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC
My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
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afinemesh
Inner circle
In Sebastopol, Ca. on a fence built with
1543 Posts
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Posted: Mar 29, 2012 11:10pm
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On 2012-03-29 19:59, Bill Palmer wrote:
If you don't understand why having a chop cup is advantageous, then send all of your chop cups to me.
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Or me, Bill has plenty. 
"I've always been mental, I'm sure of it" Boris Pocus 
"Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny". . .Bruce Springsteen
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Terry Holley
Inner circle
1407 Posts
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Posted: Mar 31, 2012 6:00pm
The "purist's" may disagree with me, but IMHO and in deference to Dai Vernon and his classic routine, the chop cup takes the cups and balls to another level. So here's to the chop cup!
Terry
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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Dacodakid
Regular user
Marina Del Rey, CA
153 Posts
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Posted: Mar 31, 2012 7:30pm
The Chop Cup is okay I guess. Just bought my wife a Juicer. She loves it! No more Chopping!
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gdw
Inner circle
4435 Posts
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Posted: Mar 31, 2012 10:08pm
I developed a routine that is half way between a cups and balls routine, and a chop cup routine, originally I gimmicked. I originally approached it as more of a C&B routine and never wanted to chop the "cup," however through one in once for the hell of it.
The routine actually doesn't need it, and I only really utilise it once, maybe twice in the routine, bit I think it's still worth it.
The chop cup is kind of like the tt to the bill change, IMHO. It's not necessary, but can be usefull, if you want it to be.
March 22, 2011, our beautiful baby girl, Evelyn, was born.
It's a brave new world, get with it, or get out of the way.
Man has evolved, "god" is extinct.
I won't forget you Robert.
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Steven Steele
Chief of Staff
Hesperia, California USA
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Posted: Mar 31, 2012 11:37pm
Sometimes it has to do with real estate. I can use a chop cup for a strolling situation, whereas I could never do the same with the cups and balls. I have both and will perform whatever is best for the particular situation.
Coram Deo
The Magic of Steven Steele
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funsway
Inner circle
improbable magic & extraordinary acts
4844 Posts
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Posted: Apr 1, 2012 3:25am
Great fun performing for magicians who think you are using a Chop CUp when you are not ...
so, you "need" their understanding of a Chop Cup in order to craft the garden path
"there is real merit in the magician who tries to be creative – from such endeavors magic sustains its life energy." Harold Rice
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Bill Palmer
Eternal Order
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23793 Posts
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Posted: Apr 1, 2012 2:51pm
If you understand the chop cup, you will eventually figure out ways of eliminating the obvious from the performance. Bear in mind that even magicians who know what a TT is can be fooled by it if you use it correctly.
Question:
When you perform, how much do you get paid?
Do the guys at your magic club pay you more or less than the parents of the birthday kid?
You don't need to answer this.
Basically, the only magicians you will earn a living from are the ones who book you for lectures and the ones who buy your tricks and books.
So learn how to fool "real people."
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC
My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
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Atom3339
Inner circle
2243 Posts
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 12:55am
Bill, your advice is always GREAT!
TH
Occupy Your Dream
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Woland
Special user
652 Posts
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 7:19am
Not only "fool," of course, but "entertain," "delight," "amuse," "move," and "instruct" . . . . .
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Pete Biro
V.I.P.
17795 Posts
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 11:36am
RIGHT
STAY TOONED... @ www.petebiro.com
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djkuttdecks
Special user
Nashville
655 Posts
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 11:01am
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On 2012-03-29 19:59, Bill Palmer wrote:
Seriously, there is not ONE, SINGLE, routine with an ungimmicked cup that will completely duplicate a good chop cup routine.
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well.... there is ONE
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Pete Biro
V.I.P.
17795 Posts
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 1:27pm
My order of preference... Nutty Suruprise, Bowl routine, Cups & Balls, Chop Cup. Based on the ENTERAINMENT/FUN value I get out of them. I don't think I have used a chop cup in 3 years. Just got the Buddha cup, but the release issue will have to be addressed before I could think of using it.
STAY TOONED... @ www.petebiro.com
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bishthemagish
Inner circle
5608 Posts
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Posted: Apr 28, 2012 11:05pm
I like the chop cup - I have used it on stage as well as close up for years. I also would never do a close up show without it. At this time I am looking for a larger cup to use on stage again.
Just a few thoughts and opinion.
Glenn Bishop - Bish The Magish!
Magician, Card Sharp and Master Hypnotist.
http://glennbishopmagicandcards.blogspot.com
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Jon Blakeney
Special user
571 Posts
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 3:38am
Maby yes ,maby no.
Since falling in love with the cups n balls my chop cup hardly ever gets used any more.
As the cups n balls are in every show I do The chop cup only comes out for guests on a special occasion.
'What the eye's see the heart must believe"
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Rainboguy
Inner circle
1069 Posts
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Posted: Jul 29, 2012 8:21pm
Bill:
Just out of curiosity.....how many chop cups do you currently have in the Museum?
Also, what is your personal favorite chop cup? (I know this depends on performance circumstances, etc., but I'm just curious)
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Jul 29, 2012 11:26pm
There are currently 341 sets on the site. I have a few more to photograph. I'd say, total, 355 chop cups, not including cups in combo sets.
The one I use most is an Italian leather cup that was purchased from Tannen's many years ago.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC
My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
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Brad Sheppard
New user
Rogers, Arkansas
65 Posts
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Posted: Aug 1, 2012 1:41pm
Bill - your advice is outstanding! Thank you.
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