On 2012-04-03 13:58, newguy wrote:
Bats,

I like your sense of humor!

(secretly hopes outsiders do not realize jelly bean exposure was real)

On 2012-04-03 14:02, duanebarry wrote:
People are making up their own rules.

Here are the actual Terms and Conditions from Real Secrets: http://www.realsecrets.org/product/platinum-membership-usa


[i]Terms and Conditions

Before we can process and approve your membership you must read, understand, and agree to the following Terms and Conditions without reservation. This is required for membership.

You agree not to describe, share, or post videos of any of the effects or methods shared in the Real Secrets community. Our goal is to protect these secrets for you and all of the other members. You understand and agree that you cannot share your membership number with anyone else.

BatsMagic said:

"First of all, my envelope arrived earlier than expected. I was counting on Thursday or Friday delivery, but here it is on Monday, April 2nd. I was very pleased and excited about that! It was not a package, though. It was a standard #10 envelope, about 1/4" thick at its thickest. Inside was a single page of instructions, 3 separate plastic sleeves containing enough material to do the effect 30 times (10 in each plastic sleeve), and another "something" which must be for future use. The instructions indicate that refills will be available from their website. The effect is one that we probably ALL know how to do, but using a different medium. With one page of instructions, you can imagine how easy it is to do- and it is SIMPLE! I could teach a novice how to do it in no time at all. But, of course, PRESENTATION is everything!
The supplied material is a printed item, but you COULD NOT do this at home on your computer, even if you are prolific with In Design and Photoshop. If you want to do this effect you WILL have to buy refills when you run out. They spent some money to produce this, that's for sure!
The trick itself is a decent one, using something that you ALL must already own, but one that I have not done in a long time. I will use the 30 that I have. Will I buy refills? I'm not so sure. Why is that? Well, the original trick seems SO FAIR (although, of course, it's NOT!). The way that this effect is crafted, there appears to be more of an element of luck involved (although, again, luck is NOT involved!). The original trick really can only be done once per spectator; this is crafted so that it is a two-part effect- you do the same thing twice for the same spectator, in two slightly different ways. I rather like the original feeling of fairness over the feeling of luck in this effect, but being able to do it twice makes it twice as good here. If this convinces me to use the trick again, I just may go back to the original.
Let me also say that this is not really a "Magic Effect", but more of a "Game". "

On 2012-04-03 13:29, BatsMagic wrote:
And Zombie- although I already revealed the "Double"- gotta be careful there, buddy! I'm only looking out for you here!

On 2012-04-03 13:42, newguy wrote:
Spartacus -

I agree with all you say but I add that this behavior on the Café seems to have little to do with RS, but it did bring them out of the woodwork!

Good thing performers don't have big mouths, big opinions and big egos.

(looks in mirror)

Wait!

No!

On 2012-04-03 12:51, billmarq wrote:
Bat - I believe you were technically within the boundaries of their vague rules, but you "pushed the envelope" so to speak. Perhaps they speculate you tend to be too open. For one thing, you revealed that the effect requires refills. It may be part of their strategy to keep that unknown. I am speculating.

I regret that a person with so much enthusiasm for this scheme is now left out.

As my own level of enthusiasm never went beyond "cautious optimism" as stated in one of my original posts, I can deal with the rejection. I am very excited about some of the effects I am learning and practicing now. Just got a Duvivier coin box and it is great fun.

Good luck, my friend. Don't let something like this bother you too much.

On 2012-04-03 14:51, billmarq wrote:
Mr. Krause - You are one of the people here whose opinion I have learned to respect. Are you saying that if a person should perform this effect (or any future one) at his club meeting and identify it as a RS effect, he would be in violation of the agreement? I asked this question more generally on the other thread. This whole thing just seems too bizarre to me even though the basic idea of the "trick of the month" did appeal to me at first.

On 2012-04-03 15:28, DelMagic wrote:
It seems to me anyone with an ounce of common sense would know better than to perform any Real Secrets effects directly for other magicians, especially your magic club buddies. You are stepping into a quagmire in that venue. You know what the response(s) will be: Where did you get that? Who's is that? How much is it? How is it done? etc., etc., etc....

Your responses, using whatever evasive maneuvers you can muster, may tip some of them off as to just where this had to come from since you don't generally avoid the simple questions they are asking. And, since they aren't under agreement with Real Secrets, internet posts come pouring forth. Performing these at a magic club really defeats the whole philosophy of the organization.

On 2012-04-03 14:49, Zombie Magic wrote:
Presentation, presentation, presentation!

Andrew Gerard has an effect called "Extraordinary Proof" that magicians seeing know exactly what it is. Some audiences could also see though it. But Gerard presents in a way that it fly right by them.

On 2012-04-03 15:28, DelMagic wrote:
It seems to me anyone with an ounce of common sense would know better than to perform any Real Secrets effects directly for other magicians, especially your magic club buddies. You are stepping into a quagmire in that venue. You know what the response(s) will be: Where did you get that? Who's is that? How much is it? How is it done? etc., etc., etc....

Your responses, using whatever evasive maneuvers you can muster, may tip some of them off as to just where this had to come from since you don't generally avoid the simple questions they are asking. And, since they aren't under agreement with Real Secrets, internet posts come pouring forth. Performing these at a magic club really defeats the whole philosophy of the organization.