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Xiqual
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3791 Posts
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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 9:54pm
Even easier solution. Don't perform for magicians. I never do. You need special tricks to fool the magi. I never bother. I always know when a magician is present at my shows. They are the ones scowling and crossing their arms, whispering to their friends. When I make eye contact and smile, they turn away in disgust. So easy to spot,lol Magicians are the worst audience. Why? Because they "Know it all" Course, knowing it all
and having the guts to get up in front of everybody and perform is a bit different, isn't it?
James
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On 2012-04-03 15:28, DelMagic wrote:
It seems to me anyone with an ounce of common sense would know better than to perform any Real Secrets effects directly for other magicians, especially your magic club buddies. You are stepping into a quagmire in that venue. You know what the response(s) will be: Where did you get that? Who's is that? How much is it? How is it done? etc., etc., etc....
Your responses, using whatever evasive maneuvers you can muster, may tip some of them off as to just where this had to come from since you don't generally avoid the simple questions they are asking. And, since they aren't under agreement with Real Secrets, internet posts come pouring forth. Performing these at a magic club really defeats the whole philosophy of the organization.
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There's a simple solution to that: Just present the effect as your own invention. The only people who'll know you're lying are other Real Secrets subscribers...and the rules prevent them from telling anyone else where you got it. Problem solved! 
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Still with the Chinese circus
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gdw
Inner circle
4428 Posts
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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 9:56pm
I'm confused. Was this a very elaborate drawn out April fools joke?
March 22, 2011, our beautiful baby girl, Evelyn, was born.
It's a brave new world, get with it, or get out of the way.
Man has evolved, "god" is extinct.
I won't forget you Robert.
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BatsMagic
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New York
916 Posts
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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 10:15pm
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On 2012-04-03 21:56, gdw wrote:
I'm confused. Was this a very elaborate drawn out April fools joke?
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Take my word for it- NO!!!!
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insight
Inner circle
1658 Posts
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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 10:22pm
Let's assume you subscribe to Real Secrets. And it ignites your curiosity so much so that you create a new routine based off the Real Secrets material, and you wish to sell your new creation. Is it okay, as a member, to sell your new routine, with absolutely no crediting? Is that what Real Secrets would expect and want? Just something to think about.
Regards,
Mike
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MagicBrent
Inner circle
1050 Posts
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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 10:29pm
The first thing about Fight Club, I mean RS is don't talk about RS...hehe
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4700 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 12:12am
This isn't Fight Club, and I have questions about routining of the first delivery, but apparently I can't talk about it and so far there is no provision for discussion among the members. I see one weakness, and one flaw that won't escape detection for very long, if at all.
What to do... PM anyone?
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newguy
Loyal user
257 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 12:46am
You can't wait until April 6th?
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FrenchDrop
Inner circle
I can name that tune in
1662 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 1:09am
What happens on April 6?
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4700 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 1:11am
I only see that as the date they open up subscriptions again after the initial signup phase. Is there anything that says there is more?
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4700 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 1:13am
As it stands now, although I'm not planning on getting myself kicked out, if their customer support doesn't improve, they'll be losing a repeat subscriber as soon as what I paid for expires.
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newguy
Loyal user
257 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 1:49am
If you buy a trick from Joe Stevens, do you call him up for presentational ideas?
If you learn a trick in this month's Genii, where do you go for more routining ideas?
I think the routine they gave us is direct and strong.
Looked at your website, wasn't this made for a guy like you?
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4700 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 2:05am
No, I don't call Joe, but I can usually confide in my friends who have the effect. Yes, the trick is right up my alley, but I see some presentational flaws that I would eventually like to discuss.
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Zombie Magic
Inner circle
I went out for a beer and now have
6571 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 2:08am
I think they gave us plenty to use our creativity to perform it.
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4700 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 2:18am
Segovia didn't compose guitar music, he performed it. Some of us are composers, some of us are performers. There's plenty of room for both.
I already have some ideas for improvement, but sadly nobody will ever know about it.
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newguy
Loyal user
257 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 2:31am
Dave
They have delivered on all promises so far (even turning away folks who did not uphold their agreement)
I have no reason to think that they will not give us the place to share that they described.
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Russell Davidson
Special user
Hampshire, England
929 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 5:03am
So your first delivery was something old we all know, not even a trick but a game? And refills are available at extra cost?
Pfff! This whole RS thing IMO revolves around blackmail & extortion. BatsMagic has already been booted out because he said he received 30 plastic sleeves! I wish all exposure was so vague.
How discussing RS's goods with other magicians is a bad thing I'll never know. Surely if the items were quality & were reviewed here in the normal way that would encourage others to join? But no, RS slap a gagging order on you so you can't say anything, good or bad. I can't believe anyone would sign up & pay to be dictated to in such a way.
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IAIN
Inner circle
england
8329 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 5:46am
I didn't subscribe - but I think its a good thing, secrets are too easily shared and fished for these days, and its kinda nice that people are making sure secrets stay secrets... and there is the choice to join up or not isn't there...so if you're not happy with the criteria, its as simple as not handing over your money and moving right along, surely?
up to the individuals in how they conduct their business...
mentalism | readings | pendulums | imaginatory shennanigans | all reviewed and featured in Jheff's Marketplace of the Mind's Top purchases
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Russell Davidson
Special user
Hampshire, England
929 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 7:08am
I agree with you Iain about secrets remaining secrets. But not being allowed to discuss things with other magicians is going a bit far & is bound to set alarm bells ringing. And has.
Anyhoo, I haven't & won't subscribe so I'll say no more.
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newguy
Loyal user
257 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 11:04am
Russ,
I think it is about not discussing with others who have not made the same commitment
This is a public forum
PUBLIC
This is not a thread behind the "number of posts" threshold
I suspect (hope) that th RS people will give members a way to share their ideas, questions and tips
We are on the fourth day of a 365+. Day experience
My goodies were in my mailbox the first possible day they could have been.
I find it a bit silly that anyone could make a definitive love it - hate it pronouncement until they had road tested it many times in many settings
We all know (thanks to Bats) that NO ONE has performed this more than 30 times.
Think about that
If magicians were as good at performing as we were at forming and announcing our opinions (myself included) there would be an astonishing number of great magicians
They say "Practice What You Preach"
Forums like this sometimes give us too much Preaching Practice
End of Sermon
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newguy
Loyal user
257 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 2:29pm
Correction:
Bats was not the first to mention the 30 items feature.
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4700 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 2:50pm
I'm still puzzled as to why Bats was kicked out. If it was TMI, what "I" was he saying "Too Much" about? In the discussion on Genii, the RS spokesperson seemed to make it clear that we could talk about it, talk up RS (of course! Who wouldn't want free advertising?) as long as we didn't discuss the effect directly or post explanations or videos online.
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aukt
Special user
598 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 2:55pm
How can you not be bored of this. Page after page pointless drivel.
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FrenchDrop
Inner circle
I can name that tune in
1662 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 3:01pm
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On 2012-04-04 14:55, aukt wrote:
How can you not be bored of this. Page after page pointless drivel.
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Thanks for stopping by!
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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BatsMagic
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New York
916 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 3:48pm
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On 2012-04-04 14:50, Dave V wrote:
I'm still puzzled as to why Bats was kicked out. If it was TMI, what "I" was he saying "Too Much" about? In the discussion on Genii, the RS spokesperson seemed to make it clear that we could talk about it, talk up RS (of course! Who wouldn't want free advertising?) as long as we didn't discuss the effect directly or post explanations or videos online.
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That's what I thought, Dave. If I knew what I know now, I would NEVER Had said a word!
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BatsMagic
Special user
New York
916 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 3:51pm
If I saw someone else get kicked off before I did, I would have made sure that I disconnected my keyboard before I clicked on this forum. Just keep the mouse connected!
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4700 Posts
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Posted: Apr 4, 2012 3:58pm
We have a couple of days until the magical April 6th. I've waited this long I suppose I can wait a few more days.
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Russell Davidson
Special user
Hampshire, England
929 Posts
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Posted: Apr 5, 2012 4:55am
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On 2012-04-04 11:04, newguy wrote:
Russ,
I think it is about not discussing with others who have not made the same commitment
This is a public forum
And that is nonsense. How many reviews can be read here without making a commitment? You're trying to justify conditions imposed upon you that can't be justified. Anyway, it's your money so do what you will.
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Xiqual
Inner circle
Upper left quadrant
3791 Posts
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Posted: Apr 5, 2012 6:09am
The conditions imposed were agreed upon in the beginning. The subscribers like the conditions. You don't like them, you didn't subscribe. Cool.
Don't worry about it.
The worst secret keepers are...guess who? MAGICIANS!! With these conditions, anyone telling others about the effects does not get to play anymore. As subscribers we find out every month what is in the box. Seems you want to know too but you don't want to agree or pay.
Sorry this deal is not like that,
James
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On 2012-04-05 04:55, Russell Davidson wrote:
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On 2012-04-04 11:04, newguy wrote:
Russ,
I think it is about not discussing with others who have not made the same commitment
This is a public forum
And that is nonsense. How many reviews can be read here without making a commitment? You're trying to justify conditions imposed upon you that can't be justified. Anyway, it's your money so do what you will.
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Still with the Chinese circus
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Russell Davidson
Special user
Hampshire, England
929 Posts
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Posted: Apr 5, 2012 7:11am
James,
I have no interest in what's received & I'm not worried. Best of luck to those that have taken the gamble. Over & out.
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Xiqual
Inner circle
Upper left quadrant
3791 Posts
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Posted: Apr 5, 2012 7:56am
Russell,
Fair enough, thanks for the well wishes,
James
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On 2012-04-05 07:11, Russell Davidson wrote:
James,
I have no interest in what's received & I'm not worried. Best of luck to those that have taken the gamble. Over & out.
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Still with the Chinese circus
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