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Philliparthur360
New user
Griffin, GA
7 Posts
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Posted: Apr 7, 2012 8:29pm
Is it just me or do all of the audience members in these videos seem way over enthusiastic? Don't get me wrong. There's some great material on here. But it just seems that some of these guys are like five year olds and burst out in "OH MY GOSH HOW DID YOU DO THAT?!" at any little thing. What are your thoughts on this?
With all due respect,
Phillip Arthur Simmons
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MickNZ
Veteran user
Auckland, New Zealand
374 Posts
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Posted: Apr 7, 2012 8:43pm
David and Jon should do their own DVD.
Auckland Magician Mick Peck, New Zealand
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motown
Inner circle
Atlanta by way of Detroit
4744 Posts
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Posted: Apr 7, 2012 9:34pm
As opposed to all those over the top reactions we now see on every demo shot on some street with a multitude of intoxicated spectators. L&L isn't perfect, but they know how to shoot a video.
"If you ever write anything about me after I'm gone, I will come back and haunt you."
– Karl Germain
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the Sponge
Inner circle
Atlanta
1194 Posts
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Posted: Apr 7, 2012 9:40pm
My thoughts are that this was already discussed at great length some time ago.
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motown
Inner circle
Atlanta by way of Detroit
4744 Posts
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Posted: Apr 8, 2012 1:30pm
Your right about that.
"If you ever write anything about me after I'm gone, I will come back and haunt you."
– Karl Germain
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Zombie Magic
Inner circle
I went out for a beer and now have
6494 Posts
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Posted: Apr 8, 2012 1:49pm
Watch a Steven's Great Magic video/dvd and you'll appreciate the L&L audiences.
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viler
Regular user
Norway
183 Posts
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 4:05pm
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On 2012-04-07 20:43, MickNZ wrote:
David and Jon should do their own DVD.
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Or "The best of Janelle and Cassandra"?
Vidar
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Dannydoyle
Eternal Order
14030 Posts
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 4:19pm
I believe the idea is to duplicate a live audience. Maybe they are over the top. But it does help the magic show better.
I actually think they do a pretty good job.
Danny Doyle
Semper Occultus
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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MaxfieldsMagic
Inner circle
Instead of practicing, I made
1959 Posts
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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 5:49pm
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On 2012-04-22 16:05, viler wrote:
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On 2012-04-07 20:43, MickNZ wrote:
David and Jon should do their own DVD.
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Or "The best of Janelle and Cassandra"?
Vidar
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I'd buy the Cassandra DVD in a minute. And a calendar. And a beach towel - or whatever else she graced with her photo.
I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.
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innercirclewannabe
Special user
Ireland
845 Posts
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 6:46pm
The L & L audience prompted Richard Osterlind to release his "live without a net" DVD. He wanted to release something in front of a "real audience". I do think though, they can help with the enjoyment of the DVD's.
Tá sé ach cleas má dhéanann tú sé cuma mhaith ar cheann.
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gypsyfish
Regular user
131 Posts
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 8:56pm
Didn't Richard release 'live without a net' because some viewers complain about the audiences being over the top, not that he had any complaints about the L&L audiences?
I agree that they make the DVDs more enjoyable. It's like seeing old friends in the audience.
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Zombie Magic
Inner circle
I went out for a beer and now have
6494 Posts
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Posted: Jun 2, 2012 7:11pm
I like that L&L has an audience. David Regal, Tommy Wonder, Bill Malone and Harry Lorayne had them eating out of their hands. Not easy to do when they've seen so much magic.
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LLPublishing
New user
28 Posts
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Posted: Jun 9, 2012 12:49pm
This topic seems to come up about once a year. It's important to understand why we do what we do with the DVDs.
It's our job to provide the best possible atmosphere for the performer. It's been suggested in other threads that we bring in a new audience every time. You never know how an audience is going to react and it's not fair to the performer if it's a bad audience that time. The people we bring in know there's going to be a magic show and have an expectation of how the day is going to go. They don't just sit there for an hour and watch. It's a much longer day than that.
We are one of the few DVD producers who produce multi-DVD sets with many routines on the DVDs. A lot of other producers are leaning towards the one effect per DVD product. If all you have to do is shoot one effect, then it's easier to take it to the streets and do it over and over again until you get exactly what you want or edit it so it has that Blaine-style feel to it. It's just not practical when you're releasing 20 - 30 effects on a DVD set.
There are different styles to each company who produces DVDs. If you look at the progression of magic on video, we've come a long way. Looking at the old Tannen's Stars of Magic videos, many of those were just the perfomer and maybe one or two other people to select cards. That's a tough situation for everyone on camera. Stevens Magic kicked it up a few notches by shooting in a TV studio and did bring in a larger audience for many of the videos. They even tried to recreate the settings in which each magician typically performed. We took it a step further than that. Other producers want a "purer", for lack of a better word, feel to their DVDs and shoot on the street. Different styles, different editing and perhaps different customer base.
But the thing everyone should take away from any DVD is the material and not how the audience reacted. You've got to add your own style to the effect so it suits you and the audience you are going to perform for.
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Andy_Young
Loyal user
Williamsport PA and I love all of my
243 Posts
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Posted: Jun 10, 2012 1:08am
First off I like the audience. Anytime you see a demo for a trick you only see the crazy audience, the ones that are over the top. However, I did notice that they use the same people. I rather like it. It makes me more at ease and that makes for a better experience.
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scalito
New user
76 Posts
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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:48am
I am a big fan of L&L DVDs. Their production quality is very good and I really have no problems with the audience. I have many of their DVDs and some effects get better reactions than others. You can pretty easily tell when an effect kills and when it doesn't.
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SmittyWitty
Regular user
Fairhaven, MA
183 Posts
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Posted: Jun 23, 2012 10:04am
I'm also a big L&L customer and have never been disappointed with my purchase. You're purchasing the DVD to see the performer, not the audience.
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