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Christopher Williams
Inner circle
Plymouth, UK
4270 Posts
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 7:49am
Hi guys,
I have sent both of these guys an email on the weekend, no sniff of a reply yet, how long do they usually take to reply?
Also, does anyone recommend any other gaff coin makers? Don't just want a list of them, but actually looking for a reputable dealer, good communication, good customer service, amazing craftsmanship and well recommended?
Thanks
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Trooper11040
Special user
Mount Joy, PA
666 Posts
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 10:40am
The best way to contact Mr Todd Lassen is to call him...he is very friendly, and will answer all your questions quicker...he always says on his blog, that email is the worst way to get in touch with him...just call..he won't bite!
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Trooper11040
Special user
Mount Joy, PA
666 Posts
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 10:41am
Oh and I've bad both schoolcraft and Lassen....I love my Lassen gaffs much more!
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J-Mac
Inner circle
Ridley Park, PA
3116 Posts
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 12:42pm
Both are pretty much one-man operations and can take some time to reply. That said, I have gotten a response from Todd via email and it took about one week.
Jim
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David Neighbors
V.I.P.
3162 Posts
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 12:56pm
As has Been Said Call him! In the time It takes to do one E-Mail He can have 2-3 Gaffs Made! 
I was Up at his Place 2 days Ago, And he was hard at Work!
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bowers
Inner circle
3041 Posts
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 9:04pm
I have lassen coins also.his work is top knotch for sure.
but another choice for sure is roy kueppers.i have several
of his coins also.and his work is superb too.
todd
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itlust
Regular user
171 Posts
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 9:50pm
Usually schoolcraft will answer ur email pretty fast (1-2 days)
lassen,will take a long time to answer your email ... I want to call him but because I live ouside US, its pretty impossible
Roy kueppers and xavier belmont work is top knotch too! and they will answer your email faster than the two mentioned above.
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Chessmann
Inner circle
My Dog Has Peed On
2836 Posts
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 10:22pm
For me, Lassen is the best of the craftsmen (I've owned from all standard names but Xavier, so I cannot comment on him).
I called him, left a message, and he called me back - even though I didn't ask him to call.
Lassen has a "cool Otis blog" (not sure what that means!). Just go to his site and he often lists things he is currently working on. When people see something they like they comment on that particular post (though I would call or email, as well, especially if you are not one of his regular customers).
My viewpoint is this: next year, will I care more that I got exactly what I wanted? Or will I care more that it took longer than I personally desired to get it?
My ex-cat is named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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BanzaiMagic
Special user
918 Posts
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 11:21pm
Keep in mind that each craftsman has their own inventions/specialties. IMO no one else can match Todd Lassen in his 3t, Cerberus, Lassen reel, UWC, China bit, TWIAD, Morgan gravity flipper and the beautiful copper and brass coins he now mints himself. No one else currently makes Tango's superlative Morgan TUC. I can't yet speak of Xavier Belmont's Ambivalence (waiting patiently), but I have heard it is revolutionary. Roy Kueppers is getting a very positive (IMO well deserved) reputation for his split coin work. If you want any of these treasures, you will need to be patient and develop a relationship with them. It certainly doesn't hurt to do that anyway and I recommend doing it with all of them.
If all you want is a real silver ] or Exp] HH set or CSB there are several good reliable suppliers (Mark Mason, Roy Kueppers come to mind). I used to include Johnson pro line of real silver in the reliable list and I have a few coins from them that are well made, but I have heard some questions about their customer service lately.
Alan
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Trooper11040
Special user
Mount Joy, PA
666 Posts
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 12:33am
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On 2012-04-12 23:21, BanzaiMagic wrote:
Keep in mind that each craftsman has their own inventions/specialties. IMO no one else can match Todd Lassen in his 3t, Cerberus, Lassen reel, UWC, China bit, TWIAD, Morgan gravity flipper and the beautiful copper and brass coins he now mints himself.
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His gaff coins are top notch...my 3T should be here anyway this week!!
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David Neighbors
V.I.P.
3162 Posts
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 2:28am
Yea Just got A Morgan Locking half from Todd to match my Morgan 3T. ( both KILLER!!! ) I will be using both Of the Tapes !
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cablerock
Veteran user
356 Posts
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 4:39am
Between the 2 I prefer Lassen. Personally I feel the quality is a bit higher. Remilling is better, shells deeper, from my limited experience.
Calling him is a good idea. He was great to talk to and I can't recommend him enough.
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Dollarbill
New user
59 Posts
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 11:51am
I'll follow suit. Todds work seems to be exceptional. I've never seen anyone elses work and am not sure I need to. Waiting for a quarter shell. I can't wait!
"and these two go in your pocket"
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Christopher Williams
Inner circle
Plymouth, UK
4270 Posts
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 12:21pm
The China Bit, is that the same thing as Chinese bit by Eddie Gibson but in Dollar size?
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xav5000
New user
22 Posts
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 12:46pm
Todd Lassen and Xavier Belmont are the best of the best
Schoolcraft is also good
I'm not a big fan of Kueppers.
I had a 2 euros shell and I was desappointed
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Denis Bastible
Loyal user
Buffalo, New York
284 Posts
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 6:01pm
Hasn't this question been beaten to death in innumerable other threads??
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Trooper11040
Special user
Mount Joy, PA
666 Posts
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 6:17pm
Got my Lassen TT today...GREAT piece!
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polygonsmagic
Veteran user
358 Posts
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 1:25pm
"Hasn't this question been beaten to death in innumerable other threads??"
Well, maybe, but I will say that this was a politically charged issue for many years. And during those years, the media was manipulated beyond belief here at the Café. If it wasn't for that, I sincerely believe that the two names would have never ended up in the same sentence together.. anywhere. Period.
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Chessmann
Inner circle
My Dog Has Peed On
2836 Posts
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 1:30pm
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On 2012-04-13 12:21, Christopher Williams wrote:
The China Bit, is that the same thing as Chinese bit by Eddie Gibson but in Dollar size?
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The gaff is the same, but I don't know about accompanying coins. Eddie Gibson's was a 3-coin CSB, and I *think* Todd's is simply a CS variant.
My ex-cat is named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Chessmann
Inner circle
My Dog Has Peed On
2836 Posts
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 1:31pm
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On 2012-04-13 18:01, Denis Bastible wrote:
Hasn't this question been beaten to death in innumerable other threads??
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In a word...*yes* 
My ex-cat is named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Mb217
Inner circle
V.I.P. ;)
5817 Posts
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 5:27pm
Interesting comments.
Always wondering about what makes these guys so good. I've seen all of their works and all of it is good to me. I guess some of their things might be done a bit better than the others but does it really make that much of a difference? I guess it does with the way the comparisons are made. Never hear Tango put in the mix much but his TUC has probably outsold all the best stuff by all the rest here and is greatly admired I've seen. Definitely something that these others might've said, "Sure wish I had come up with that one."  But why not any recognition from these guys of when their competition does really well on something? I mean Schoolcraft has done some wonderful work, of course Lassen's stuff is great and he has no problem telling you just that most times. Kueppers hits the mark a lot and X Belmont has a nice package of coins that really whets the coin man's palate. He won me over for just offering soft coins if you wanted them. Not many craftsman do that. And I still say that Johnson Coins are pretty good most times, maybe not custom level but definitely good enough IMHO and always at an affordable price. Heck, that's gotta count for something, especially in these tough economic times. It would be a good story for someone to write on this guys, covering their best works, what's good about each one and or what's not. To me, good communication is important. I don't mind the quirkiness of such supposed artisans but at least be courteous and provide good customer service, and save all that "Let 'em eat cake" nonsense at times. People shouldn't have to tippy-toe around these guys when spending hundreds of dollars for their works and or making any such excuses for their insensibilities when they roar. Again, I think they all do great work that I have seen. Probably best to buy from the guy that gives you what you want the way you want it, and makes you feel best about spending your money with them. Interesting.
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Tony Thomas
Inner circle
North Carolina
1023 Posts
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 10:25pm
Is Schoolcrafts sets unique to him, OXF, 3CM, 3CF?
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inigmntoya
Veteran user
Maryland
320 Posts
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 10:56pm
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On 2012-04-14 22:25, Tony Thomas wrote:
Is Schoolcrafts sets unique to him, OXF, 3CM, 3CF?
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Oh boy... here we go.... 
Tony: PM sent with background info
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Trooper11040
Special user
Mount Joy, PA
666 Posts
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 11:05pm
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On 2012-04-14 22:56, inigmntoya wrote:
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On 2012-04-14 22:25, Tony Thomas wrote:
Is Schoolcrafts sets unique to him, OXF, 3CM, 3CF?
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Oh boy... here we go....
Tony: PM sent with background info
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Haha I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to respond!
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J-Mac
Inner circle
Ridley Park, PA
3116 Posts
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 11:24pm
Yikes! OK, I'm outta here! --------------------->
Jim
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Tony Thomas
Inner circle
North Carolina
1023 Posts
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 11:45pm
Thanks for the info. Didn't mean to start anything. Just wasnt sure if I could buy the Oxf equivalent from Lassen. Both web sites tell you so little ab the details of their products, it makes it hard to know if you are comparing apples to apples.
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Trooper11040
Special user
Mount Joy, PA
666 Posts
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 11:46pm
Lassen calls it as a joke, the OtisFX...I have one...it's awesome
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pabloinus
Inner circle
1072 Posts
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Posted: Apr 15, 2012 8:20am
My experience with both is that I was never able to talk or receive an email from Lassen. This happened several years ago and never tried again, I called once to Schoolcraft on a barber shell and he answered the call and I was able to buy it from him.
I did buy second hand an African dime shell and an African dime locking slippery sam shell from Lassen, I do like the shell and still have it but did not like the SS and sold it.
From the other 3 manufacturers, I only bought second hand Kueppers coins and they are ok, I contacted Tango by phone and email and I always got a pleasant reply from him, and bought several of his coins and I am very happy with all of them. And finally I contacted Johnson by phone and email and like Tango I always got a reply with the right information, I have several Johnsons coins as well and very happy with them
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Chessmann
Inner circle
My Dog Has Peed On
2836 Posts
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Posted: Apr 15, 2012 7:48pm
Marion -
The OP's question was re: Lassen and Schoolcraft. The other gaffers seem to get plenty of love on other threads (surely you've seen the massive TUC topic).
Lassen, for example, makes a number of things not readily available elsewhere, or things that are available, but not in in silver dollars. I love his copper crowns, as well. I also like very much how the precision of much of his work allows me the flexibility to show the coins in ways I am not able to do with other's work.
On another note, I have never had to tiptoe around Lassen or Kueppers. Quite the contrary.
My ex-cat is named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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BanzaiMagic
Special user
918 Posts
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Posted: Apr 15, 2012 7:57pm
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On 2012-04-13 12:21, Christopher Williams wrote:
The China Bit, is that the same thing as Chinese bit by Eddie Gibson but in Dollar size?
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China Bit is originally from the Tommy Wonder socked coins routine. If you want to see a China Bit used masterfully check out this video:
http://www.antena3.com/videos-online/programas/el-hormiguero/intercambiamos-monedas_2012013100146.html
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