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AMcD
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 12:03pm
Hi all!
As my friend Doc will never be back, there's no need anymore for me no to post new tools, videos, etc. Anyway.
Here's one I'm currently coding on my spare time.
http://www.arnoldmcdonald.org/code/main.php?p=6800002
Roughly. You select a type of marking system and a back of a card is displayed. When you move the cursor to the right, the standard card is displayed. When you move the cursor to the left, the doctored card appears.
As I'm currently programming it, everything can change at any moment  (there is for instance a useless button). I plan to add dozens of examples but what do you think so far? It could be like a game, you have to guess where the work is put (I could add a checkbox allowing to display tips or not). Of course, you could gimme your own marking system once the tool is finished, I'll add them.
Well, any advice is good to read!
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kcg5
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 12:15pm
Why will Doc never be back?
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
"History will be kind to me, as I intend to write it"- Sir Winston Churchill
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tenchu
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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 12:45pm
Yeah, what's up with Doc?
I'm a big fan of marked cards so this is an absolutely great idea. Can't wait for more!
Mike
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Marlin1894
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 3:39am
Seems like a neat idea.
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AMcD
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 11:00am
Neat? Well, probably as 154 people have played with it since yesterday. But no one has left any suggestion though!
I'm afraid I'm gonna have to design it all alone...
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Marlin1894
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 11:31am
I tried to look at it but all the buttons were marked "useless at the moment".
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AMcD
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 11:47am
For the moment, only the pointer/handle is effective. Just click on the picture and drag the pointer to the left or to the right. When moving to the right, the standard/genuine back is displayed. When you go to the left, it's the marked back which is shown. A hint is provided in the "Detail" section for those ignoring all about card marking. The numbers in the yellow rectangle are the mouse pointer coordinates (I may use them but they are currently useless).
Simply put, on the left of the handle is displayed the genuine back. On the right, the doctored one.
Three examples only are provided. I'll add some more during the upcoming week-end.
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iamslow
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 12:12pm
Arnold, I don't know how you could be broke with the things you can do....
"Everyone is tough till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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AMcD
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 12:14pm
Ask to the guys that don't hire me because "I'm too old"...
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Kirjava
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 12:20pm
I like it!
Interesting features that pop to mind would be:
-riffle testing, so we could easily see which marking evades it the best
-juice deck, but I have no idea if that is even possible
-adding nicked, bent and even punched cards
-timing the detection: if it becomes a game, you could only display the marked card and the user would have to click the doctored spot as soon as possible.
On a sidenote, I'd also like to know why the Doc is never coming back. And while there is no need for you to post videos, be assured they are greatly appreciated when they appear.
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Marlin1894
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 12:26pm
I think it's my browser. Gotta upgrade.
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Vargas
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 12:39pm
Hello,
I do not post often here, but I'm following the threads.
Once more, thank you for providing something great to the Café AMcD.
I do not have many suggestions though... but I liked the idea of playing with it, counting how long one takes to find out the "work".
I know this is not that much ideas, but I think you deserve a thank you for all the work you present here.
Vargas.
P.S. : What's the job where people think you are "too old" ?
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AMcD
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 6:32pm
Thanks for the ideas. One or two might become reality soon . Turning it into a game with a stopwatch could be interesting... The player would have to enter coordinates though. I don't know, I'm gonna think about it.
Incidentally,about showing a juice deck on a screen, I'm afraid it's gonna be hard to do!
About my friend Doc, well, he's been banned definitely. There is little to add as he's been warned several times and yet he still did again and again what he was asked not to do! I fully disagree with such a penalty but he knew the rules and I can't blame the admins for that. At first I just wanted not to post anything serious any more. I prefer experts like him passing the line once in a while than very obedient guys with no knowledge. But it seems there is like a curse on the Gambling Spot! Arguing seems unavoidable  .
Some leave, some stay, some come back. Also, I receive mails asking me for new tools, quizzes or videos. Well, just let's go over all this, life's short. As long as many of you like what I do, I'll keep going. But again, your ideas are very helpful therefore I need you. I remember, for instance, that 2-3 guys here helped me to improve the card counter (http://www.arnoldmcdonald.org/code/main.php?p=6600001) a lot.
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DavidGold
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 7:52pm
Wow you need to get an award for everything you do in this community
Anyway I love it! I think it could be very very cool to use and turn into a game as some other people said (find the work as fast as possible)
As Kirjava said a riffle test would be cool to be able to see what mark is the most hidden when people "go to the movies"
If their was a way to test how well someone could see the mark at a distance such as across a table that would be pretty cool but I have no clue how hard that would be to do haha
All in all thank you for the new tool and PLEASE keep making more posts, tools and vids I am always excited when I see the thread is from you
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AMcD
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 8:08pm
OK, let's turn in into a game...
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NFS
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Posted: Apr 13, 2012 9:15pm
Shade would be more interesting than juice in this application, IMO.
It's a great effort and has a very clean interface. I think its best value would be as an encyclopedia for the various systems of blockout or whiteout work. Even then, if you add a system a day, it could take a year to finish just the Bicycle Rider Back. Displaying shade and juice work would be at the mercy of our monitor's display in terms of contrast and brightness, so I think its usefulness as a quizzer in this regard is limited. A quizzer would be a nice application for blockout and whiteout work. Instead of having to input the coordinates you could have the user click on where the work is and if they get it within 10 pixels or something then it's correct. Just an idea.
"A gambler without a system is as a ship without a compass."
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AMcD
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:53am
Nice idea for the click Nick!
I think it's gonna be like this:
- you select how many backs you want the "quiz" to be made of;
- you select the type of work you want to play with (shade, scroll-out, cut-out, block-out, etc.). Or maybe you don't? After all, when you're looking for a mark on a card you don't know in advance what type of work has been applied...
- when you click on the back of the card you're said whether you're wrong or not. There is a counter running on.
- you can move from one card to another.
- There is a stopwatch.
In short it would be "let's see how much time I need to find 25 marks" or "how many marks can I find in 1'?".
Implementing a riffle test might be a bit hot to do as I don't want to use any proprietary technology. Besides, the riffle test is only useful for some type of work. I'll see.
Again, thanks for the ideas.
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popcalinda
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 7:43am
Arnold my friend, this is great great work!
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AMcD
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 7:45am
By the way, I'd prefer you to post your suggestions here instead of using emails. The more people can read them the best it is because sharing ideas is, IMHO, the best way to find flaws or better improvements.
Last idea received, zoom in/out. Interesting...
PS: the work put on the Bee back in that demo version is located approximately at (20,36) .
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jackouille07
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 9:30am
Great and funny tool Arnold.
Quote:
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On 2012-04-13 20:08, AMcD wrote:
OK, let's turn in into a game...
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For what it was designed at the begining?
Some ideas:
-Maybe you can add a buton that will show only value, only suit and both for the marked card.
-Put an unmarked back design online that members can download and modify and send to you for adding in the database. (to have more marking design and maybe less work for you)
It's just somes ideas.
Oh, and a question: The two (marked and unmarked) back design are two different scan of real card, or you put the work by photoshop?
Jackouille.
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AMcD
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 9:46am
@jackouille07
At first it was designed for being sort of a compendium about card marking systems. I still may do it but I think it'll be a private tool only.
Nice idea for allowing members to send their marking system!
Specifying the meaning of a mark is useless IMHO. A marking system is very personal. For instance, me, I mainly mark high cards. Magicians would like suits and values. And so on. I think it's not really important to know "what" a marking system indicates. The most important is to "see" that there is a marking system in use.
Some scans will be actual cards, some will be Photoshoped.
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NFS
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 1:08pm
Remember that you'll need to display the whole card if you plan on adding one-way backs like Squeezers.
"A gambler without a system is as a ship without a compass."
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stoneunhinged
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 1:12pm
OK, I'm interested, but I couldn't comment earlier. Comments will follow.
An idealistic, obsequious, sycophantic Mai-Ling kisser-upper....
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AMcD
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 1:27pm
I'm thinking about something like this:
(Don't pay attention to the numbers displayed).
Instead of displaying a handle it could also be interesting to display a magnified area.
@Nick
Would be better to add a scroll bar allowing to shift the card vertically no?
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NFS
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 7:01pm
It definitely throws a curveball in the design since it looks great the way it is. But consider that it may be hard to interpret work that's put near the center of the card, or even how the marks will look different on each half with asymmetric cards like the TH9 Circle Back. Personally I'd display the entire card and put the controls to the side. This way the whole card can be seen on the screen and the user can do what they need to do without needing to scroll.
"A gambler without a system is as a ship without a compass."
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tommy
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 7:02pm
Thanks Arnold, I am not sure I really understand it yet but it looks interesting.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy
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AMcD
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Posted: Apr 14, 2012 7:36pm
Geez! A layout in two columns? I think you win Nick. I do it.
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CFI
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Posted: Apr 15, 2012 9:21am
Nice app Arnold.
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griffindance
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Posted: Apr 15, 2012 11:41am
This is a more selfish suggestion opening your work to constant demands of every new (and old) deck designs.
Phoenix deck?
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AMcD
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Posted: Apr 15, 2012 11:58am
OK, after a long night of thinking, I think I'm close to the final layout:
What do you think?
I might add one or two filters as required, I don't know.
Thanks to all your suggestions!
@griffindance,
What the hell are you talking about?
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