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MrWizard
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 1:43am
Does anyone have or like Dragon Altar?
The effect on the video looks amazing but seen on some site it is one of their less popular tricks.
They said it wasn't as popular as most because it takes a knack to make to make it work every time.
I think it would be a good one to do before or after Crystal Cleaver they look similar.
Also said that it is one time when the noise it makes actually can enhance the effect hahaha.
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John Mazza
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 3:01am
For me it is not an automatic trick that is 100% successful.
You have to tilt the box to get it to work and that can sometimes be obvious.
It does have a cool gimmick that you would not expect.
It does not come with the coin.
I think with the intended coin it would be easier to do.
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MrWizard
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 3:19am
Place I got the 2 English Prison Boxes when I asked about the none 100% thing with Altar told me how it works.
So aware of the method but not liking the tilt thing if it is obvious.
He said after you do it many times you can do it smoothly and almost 100%.
But don't know so that's is why I am asking who has it doesn it work or worth getting at all before I get it and it sits in the box cause it won't work. lol
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MrWizard
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 3:22am
Just for the record:
You can get 5 yen coins on ebay for 1.25 plus 2.00 shipping for single ones, roll of 50 for 22.99 free shipping.
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John Mazza
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 3:25am
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He said after you do it many times you can do it smoothly and almost 100%.
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There is your answer. "many times" for "almost 100%"
But I would still get it and the price is right. I paid $35 for mine from Maxello in a plastic bag with no coin.
So you have to be careful with a place like Maxello. Some prices are good, some are not.
AA
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MrWizard
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 3:35am
I still have a bad taste in my mouth for Maxello emptying my cart then jacking up the price of Prison Box on me from 36.95 each with shipping to 44.95 without shipping after asking can you get more before I purchase the last 4 you have.
They absolutely did that and when they seen I did what I said I would do and post what they did here they every so quickly lowered it back down in 5 minutes. Sent me an email the next day saying the price was wrong and is corrected! hahah
I don't think I will ever purchase from them for that unless I have no other choice.
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stereo
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 8:46am
I never love Dragon altar, but I discover that many manigician absolutly love this trick.
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macmac
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 8:52am
I am not a big fan of Dragoan Altar either.....doesnt work 100% of the time and that is a let down. In my opinion cant be relied on...
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Killertweety
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 8:59am
Dragon Altar isn't that bad ... no it doesn't work fluently 100%, sometimes you have to move the box a few times as mentioned in the manual. I also put some piece of a close up mat in the box that helps a bit with the sund if the ball falls in (like with Crystal Pyramid).
The great thing about Dragon Altar is that it can be inspected after the trick (and even before). No one can figure out how to operate it. They try to move the box, tilt the box etc. but they don't succeed because of the ingenious locking mechanism.
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723sabre
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 9:22am
Dragon Altar is like most magic, it requires practice to have it work 100% of the time. Even the most simple trick requires an effort to master it, to make it effortless, to make it look natural. I find with practice it works fine, and the sound it makes is "magic happening" right before you! If you are worried about it working 100% of the time, then practice, practice, practice.
Magico-Japan is where I got mine (thru E-bay), and they sent the small Japanese coin to use with it. Plus instructions in English. They have great service there, this item is still only $24.00 plus shipping.
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J M Talbot
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 9:42am
I have mentioned before that Dragon Alter is one of my favorites. I love the method and found a coin that makes this work 100% for me. The coin I use is a little lighter than the one supplied and for me that made a big difference. I agree with 723sabre that a little practise can make this a real fooler. I have never had anyone come close to figuring this one out. I also like that fact that the noise actually makes sense in this effect, unlike some other Tenyos.
Cheers,
John
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MrWizard
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 11:01am
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On 2012-04-18 09:42, J M Talbot wrote:
I have mentioned before that Dragon Alter is one of my favorites. I love the method and found a coin that makes this work 100% for me. The coin I use is a little lighter than the one supplied and for me that made a big difference. I agree with 723sabre that a little practise can make this a real fooler. I have never had anyone come close to figuring this one out. I also like that fact that the noise actually makes sense in this effect, unlike some other Tenyos.
Cheers,
John
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Thanks this is encouraging to hear.
What coin are you using, it is not a 5 yen coin?
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J M Talbot
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 11:07am
I wish I could tell you MrWizrad... somwehere in my travels I bought a small assortment of what appears to be very old Asian coins. They are quite thin with a hole in the middle. One if them worked perfectly for this effect and I like the fact it is an old worn coin versus a shiny new one. I can try taking a picture of it and sending it to you if that would help.
John
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MrWizard
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 11:11am
John does it look like this one link below it is a 5 yen that is what is suppose to be use with Dragon Altar
http://www.ebay.com/itm/110696496155?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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J M Talbot
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 11:18am
No, it looks different and to be honest not even sure if mine are real coins... I think they are and look very old. That coin may work fine. My Dragon Alter did not come with a coin but I thought thay came with a silver coin similar to the one with Super Spike.
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MrWizard
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 11:23am
That is also the coin used for super spike it is thin and light I have several
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J M Talbot
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 11:38am
Should work fine... need to check my Super Spike coin... I believe it looks different than your photo.
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MrWizard
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 11:43am
Here is a great picture of a 5 Yen Coin
Click here to view attached image.
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723sabre
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Posted: Apr 18, 2012 11:39pm
MrWizard, that's the coin I have for mine. Works fine for me. Get the trick, you'll have fun with it. Just work on your handling, make up a little patter and let the magic happen. One of the better Tenyo tricks IMHO.
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MrWizard
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Posted: Apr 19, 2012 1:02am
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On 2012-04-18 23:39, 723sabre wrote:
MrWizard, that's the coin I have for mine. Works fine for me. Get the trick, you'll have fun with it. Just work on your handling, make up a little patter and let the magic happen. One of the better Tenyo tricks IMHO.
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Thanks I will defiantly get it.
I think it looks great.
When I seen the effect on the video I said whoa look at that! 
I got lots of Japanese coins just for Tenyo items in advance to getting the tricks!
This kinda resembles Crystal Cleaver with the tall cover and clear box.
I think they are a good pair to show one then the other.
Richard
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J M Talbot
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Posted: Apr 19, 2012 9:21am
Hi Richard. Looked at my coins that came with Super Spike and Coin of Dracula and they are different than the one you displayed. Mine are all silver with a simpler design. I am sure that coin will work fine however.
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Posted: Jun 17, 2012 4:49pm
I have finaly find the solution about the second part of the video where the coin go inside the clear box and the ball remain on the lid.
It's on Japan Tenyo website tips section.
If I have well understand, In fact you have to use 50Yen coin wich are just the right size. And the coin is not on the lid but below the lid and with transparency you can make think that the coin and ball are in same place than the original routine. In doing so quickly no one will see the deception. Now you put the tube and just shake and make the lid move without using the gimmick to make the coin fall in the box. The ball don't move at all.
You can also use the coin of Coin of Dracula if you don't have 50Yen coin.
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MrWizard
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Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:12pm
Can't see doing that for a second part of a trick that would require you to carefully position a coin under the lid and place ball on lid so it don't roll around because there is no coin with hole to set it on to steady it and make it look like the first part of trick while spectator is still watching. Maybe for a first part of trick you could do that have it already under the lid. There also is 2 size 50 yen coins depending on the year I guess. I have both sizes the small one is just slightly smaller than the 5 yen coin the other one is bigger than a quarter! It is so big it will not even fit in soft coins. Just thought I would mention that before someone goes out to get a 50 yen sight unseen. It will be the smaller size if it is a newer coin. Was very surprised to get this large 50 yen totally unusable for any of my tenyo tricks but is still a great coin.
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MrWizard
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Posted: Jun 17, 2012 8:34pm
Here are pictures of the 2 size 50 yen coins. Large one is made in 1964
Click here to view attached image.
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 6:59am
To be honest I don't understand the routine well Davy. If I understand correct you have the box, on top the coin, then the lid and then the ball? And it appears the coin is on top of the box and falls through/penetrates the lid? I don't understand the purpose.
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 8:18am
Remember this video, all of us don't understand how he do that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YNEFntEaF7A
I explain how, it's on tips section of japanese Tenyo website.
Mr wizard the ball can't roll without the coin because there is a special recess on the lid.
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Killertweety
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 9:41am
It's clear now - thanks
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MrWizard
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 2:05am
Have you tried this slipping the coin under the lid with people watching?
Great trick if you can do it
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Posted: Jun 20, 2012 5:34pm
No I don't try in real situation, but I think it's possible, but have to do not panic, to train before, and attempts to divert attention at the good time. Not easy lol More esay fo a video shot ...
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MrWizard
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Posted: Jun 20, 2012 8:36pm
I put off getting this and keep forgetting to add it to my orders.
I will get it to see how hard it is to do the old coin under the top trick on the fly.
I fear it will fall into the box every time or just before the tube covers it.
I guess a 5 yen coin is too big to fit inside the box if they say to use a 50 yen which the new ones are slightly smaller. Anyone try a 5 yen to see if it will work at all under the lid and fall in the box?
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