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tommy
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
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Posted: Apr 19, 2012 8:18am
I was just listening to this and the fellow says in the game of she loves me, she loves me not, one can make it land the way you want if you know what Fibonacci sequence applies to what flower. Well I was just wondering if that can be used with other things as Fibonacci sequences are in almost everything natural?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f81ZEVO6Btw
I personally have never heard of a Fibonacci force in magic but I bet someone here has.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy
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landmark
Inner circle
By now they've deleted all but
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Posted: Apr 21, 2012 9:01pm
The Fibonacci thing in nature is iffy. The claim is that if you look at certain plants, etc., you can find some of the Fibonacci numbers. No guarantee which ones. It's overhyped IMO.
But...because of the way the Fibonacci and similar sequences are constructed, you can do a cute add-a-number prediction:
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/61457.html
We'll leave the performance details as an exercise. 
Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.
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funsway
Inner circle
improbable magic & extraordinary acts
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 7:35am
The "Fibonocci thing" is a simplificiation of the importance/relance of Phi as a universal constant found in everything from DNA strands to galactic expansion; growth of plants to the way that people make decisions. YEs, the importance of Fibonacci is ovehyped because of that movie -- that erroneously has Davinci facinated with the sequence when it is well documented his facination was with Phi. This is like saying that the importnce of wheat can be explained by the recipe for white bread.
Any predictable mathematical sequence can be used as the basis for a magic trick -- or, people's general ignorance of the sequence can be used. Being able to calculate the volume of a sphere by understnading Pi is magical for many.
Is Phi important to perforamnce magic? Absolutely. New revelations by neurobiologists indicates that out ability to "conjure up" alternative possible causes for unexplainable events is controled by Phi, i.e "our capacity to imagine impossible things is in relation to our knowledge as our knowledge is in relation to our capacity to conceptualize concepts." Also, "The more we know the more ignorant we become."
This does not mean that an appreciation of tyhe importance of Phi can be used to create a mnagic effect -- only that our confidence in the predictability of Phi gives us confidence in guessing potential reactions of audiences to our prenended magic -- we "know" that when a spectator observes something considered impossible that their brain will come up with millions of potential solutions and then whittle them down according to a predictable Phi based process. Our task is to insure that "magic" in still on the table after the more rational assessments begin -- often by creating Whit's famous false dilemma.
Thus, you really don't have to understand how Phi works any more than you have to understand Pi in order to have confidence that a predictable result will occur. Phi is "undehyped" -- but that is OK. It can be a magician's secret.
Sadly (opinion), people today rely on "believing" rather than "knowing" and place a level of unwarrented certainty of opinions of movie stars, talk show hosts, politicians, priests and professors rather than developing any verified knowledge. As people replace their capacity for imagination with "I saw it on the Internet or TV" we must fear for the future of performance magic as an art -- watching it devolve into a demonstation of skill and egoic "gotcha."
"there is real merit in the magician who tries to be creative – from such endeavors magic sustains its life energy." Harold Rice
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cirrus
Inner circle
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:29am
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On 2012-04-22 07:35, funsway wrote:
Sadly (opinion), people today rely on "believing" rather than "knowing" and place a level of unwarrented certainty of opinions of movie stars, talk show hosts, politicians, priests and professors rather than developing any verified knowledge. As people replace their capacity for imagination with "I saw it on the Internet or TV" we must fear for the future of performance magic as an art -- watching it devolve into a demonstation of skill and egoic "gotcha."
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I love the way you wrote your little essay, but I loved your ending the best. You are hitting the nail on the head with this one. I don't like "gotcha" and egoic magicians.
I know from my own experience how difficult it is to create magic that doesn't invoke a puzzling feeling in the spectator. Although it can be very simple. I stopped talking during my cups and balls routine, so I don't have to explain every step and it becomes more magical, also I don't show my hands empty all the time.
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