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edec
New user
17 Posts
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Posted: Apr 20, 2012 11:30am
Hello, I need your advice and insight about these 2 volumes of SPIRITUAL APPLICATIONS FOR TARBELL books.
Are they helpful ? Do you think they give good ideas ? Are they not too old fashioned ? ...
please answer me !!!
Many thanks !
Emmanuel - from Switzerland
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MagicBus
Inner circle
Kalamazoo, Michigan
2236 Posts
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Posted: Apr 20, 2012 5:02pm
I have both volumes. Personally, I find many of the applications in these to be very brief and/or outdated. Not much call anymore for using cigarette tricks in a Gospel magic show, as just one outdated example. Many of the applications just site a few Bible verses and do not make much sense.
Personally, if you do not have much "application" materials and are looking for more, it is better to purchase any Gospel magic routine books, lecture notes or DVD materials by Duane Laflin or Barry Mitchell- much more current and useful. That's just my opinion. Sheldon Rhodes has many good routine and lecture items posted on his www.jestkidding.com site. Many good routine posted in the members only library section of www.fcm.org
I once in awhile refer back to my two "spiritual application" books from Tarbell for fresh ideas- but cannot honestly remember finding one that I still use today. It is just fun for me sometimes to scan through these old volumes and see contributor names I recognize (like Del Wilson).
I believe Mark Tripp said a couple of years ago he working on a volume of spiritual applications for the Mark Wilson course in magic- but I don't believe he finished it yet (or at least I am not aware of that being out yet). I use Duane Laflin's routines all the time, see our posted programs at www.ChristianMagician.org which are loaded with many of his original ideas. I also posted earlier on The Magic Café' our complete "Index for www.ChristianMagician.org"- which will be updated soon to add the content of our new one hour "Conjuring and Chalk" program should be posted anytime now.
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DougTait
Elite user
Sebring, FL
416 Posts
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Posted: Apr 20, 2012 6:59pm
I would agree with Roger. I also have both volumes and have not found any material that is of use to me. I also agree that better material is avialable from the sources he mentioned and perhaps from Steve Varro at Doc Haley Magic or David Ginn Magic. Others may of course disagree however.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men [and women] to do nothing."
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edec
New user
17 Posts
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Posted: Apr 21, 2012 12:31pm
OK, that what I thought ... I wanted to be sure, I have Laflin books and DVD and this gives me enough work for the moment !!!! God bless !
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jamiedoyle
Loyal user
Colorado Springs, CO
244 Posts
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Posted: Apr 21, 2012 6:00pm
I would reccomend a third volum that is new by a friend - I have actually used several of his routines from his vol 3.
http://www.lulu.com/shop/dr-christopher-faria/spiritual-applications-for-tarbell-3/paperback/product-17283178.html
Jamie Doyle
jamiedoyle.com
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stempleton
Special user
718 Posts
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Posted: Apr 21, 2012 7:38pm
I know it's easy to dismiss these volumes as being outdated, and I think that's true to a large degree. But I do feel they can be a jump off point for developing your own contemporary routines. My biggest complaint is that a lot contained in the early gospel magic publications such as these is based on the "turn or burn" theology, which goes against my Calvinist views. That aside, I can usually find one inspiring thought when used as a reference.
Jamie, I had thought several years ago that continuing the application series would be a terrific idea. Thanks for letting me know about the third volume. Would appreciate any additional information you might want to share on this, either here, a new thread or PM.
Steve
Steve Templeton
www.HimpactIllusion.com
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John Long
Inner circle
New Jersey
1781 Posts
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Posted: May 18, 2012 10:51pm
I am an avid book buyer, but was very disappointed in the Spiritual Applications for Tarbell.
The Tarbell series itself is a fantastic resource, but as others said, there are better sources, than the 2 volume set of SPAFT, for Gospel magic. Laflin's material is well thought out, and Del Wilson has some booklets that may be helpful. Also, I have found some very good ideas given out on the Café itself.
John
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jamiedoyle
Loyal user
Colorado Springs, CO
244 Posts
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Posted: May 19, 2012 2:34pm
I forgot to mention that Dr. Faria actually wrote a Spiritual Applications Vol. 2 unknowingly and simultaneously as Miller - although His verison is no longer in print, it's quite good and I would recommend that you contact him about getting a PDF version on a CD magiclaffs@gmail.com and of course go to the link above to get Vol. 3.
I'd just like to mention that my friend, Dr. Chris Faria is working on his version of Spiritual Applications vol. 4... Due out later this year.
Be blessed!
Jamie Doyle
jamiedoyle.com
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MagicBus
Inner circle
Kalamazoo, Michigan
2236 Posts
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Posted: May 19, 2012 3:16pm
Nice! Any chance you could post maybe 1 lesson/trick as an representative example to see what it looks like? Maybe you have a link to that already you can share here- would love to take a look at it. Thanks.
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jamiedoyle
Loyal user
Colorado Springs, CO
244 Posts
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Posted: May 21, 2012 2:59pm
I will ask if Dr. Faria would be willing to allow that - stay tuned.
Jamie Doyle
jamiedoyle.com
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jamiedoyle
Loyal user
Colorado Springs, CO
244 Posts
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Posted: May 21, 2012 3:07pm
Actually, if you read the latest Voice (May/June 2012) one of his routines is there on page 14.
Jamie Doyle
jamiedoyle.com
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jamiedoyle
Loyal user
Colorado Springs, CO
244 Posts
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Posted: May 21, 2012 3:11pm
...AND...
if you click on the preview link under the image of his book at: http://www.lulu.com/shop/dr-christopher-faria/spiritual-applications-for-tarbell-3/paperback/product-17283178.html it will give you several pages of preview including the application for the trick called
"Double Cross"
Jamie Doyle
jamiedoyle.com
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jamiedoyle
Loyal user
Colorado Springs, CO
244 Posts
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Posted: May 21, 2012 3:13pm
Ok - I keep finding more stuff -
You can also purchase it as a download at: http://www.lulu.com/shop/dr-christopher-faria/spiritual-applications-for-tarbell-3/ebook/product-17361338.html
(the other link is for an actual book that would be shipped to you)
Jamie Doyle
jamiedoyle.com
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RevJohn
Inner circle
West Linn, Oregon
2411 Posts
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Posted: Jun 1, 2012 7:52pm
A while ago, I wrote up a booklet using Magic For Dummies as the basis. Have used it in lectures before, and find that the effects in that book were easily adapted to Gospel effects. Now, I am also much lower key in my gospel presentation and do more storytelling, ala Robert Neale, but the stories, either long or short, worked for me.
RevJohn
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