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MagicofDesperado
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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:08pm
In a trick I'm reading, the procedure calls for moving the top three cards of the deck into 2nd, third and fourth from the bottom. In the trick explanation it states to obtain a pinky break over the bottom card with a pull-down and double undercut the top three cards so they wind up in said position. I must be having a long day and tbh, don't use the double-undercut that much....but can't for the life of me figure this out with no cards in my hand LOL...can someone point me in the right direction:)
Thanks,
Dave
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FrenchDrop
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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:21pm
Hm. I have a deck handy. 
If your three target cards are on top and you catch a pb above the bottom card, you can do a normal cut and hold the b***k with your thumb, then follow with a double undercut to get the three target cards second, third, and fourth from the *top* of the deck. If you started with the deck face-up, with the three target cards on the face of the deck, got a pb above the card on the bottom of the face-down deck, then did the above, *then* turned the deck face-down, you'd end up with the three target cards second, third, and fourth from the bottom.
That's all I can figure.
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Alel
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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:27pm
The only way I can make it work from what you are saying is doing the pinky pull-down of one card as instructed, cutting off the top three cards with the other hand, and undercutting the bottom 'half' to the top but ensuring that the three cards goes above the pinky break. Not a double undercut action, but a single undercut.
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Steven Youell
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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:30pm
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On 2012-04-25 22:08, MagicofDesperado wrote:
In a trick I'm reading, the procedure calls for moving the top three cards of the deck into 2nd, third and fourth from the bottom. |
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Do those three cards have to be in a specific order after you move them to those positions?
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Engali
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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:40pm
Just get a break under the top four and then double undercut.
Does the bottom card before the double undercut need to remain the bottom card after you do the move?
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Steven Youell
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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:43pm
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On 2012-04-25 22:40, Engali wrote:
Just get a break under the top four and then double undercut.
Does the bottom card before the double undercut need to remain the bottom card after you do the move? |
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That would have been my suggestion as well, but that won't work if the cards have to be in a particular order. That's why I asked.
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FrenchDrop
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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:46pm
If the order of the cards doesn't matter, you could get there with one quick overhand shuffle.
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magician8
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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:46pm
Catch a break under the top three cards, start a dobule undercut but do a pinky pulldown, putting all of the cards in the left hand except the bottom card on top of the ones in the right hand. Repeat and voila.
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MagicofDesperado
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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 11:25pm
Can't do the break under the top four as the fourth card needs to remain in place on top of the deck.
Magician8...I'm not clear on your exact procedure...do you mean you slide all the cards on top save the bottom card that remains in the left hand?
Dave
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MagicofDesperado
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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 11:28pm
Here's the exact text I'm reading from....."As you make these claims while looking directly at the spectator, execute
the following actions: Pull Down the bottom card with your left pinky and
perform a Double Undercut to maneuver the top three cards of the deck
to the bottom and above the bottom card. Consequently, they end up
second, third and fourth from the bottom. "
Dave
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magician8
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Posted: Apr 25, 2012 11:35pm
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On 2012-04-25 23:25, MagicofDesperado wrote:
Can't do the break under the top four as the fourth card needs to remain in place on top of the deck.
Magician8...I'm not clear on your exact procedure...do you mean you slide all the cards on top save the bottom card that remains in the left hand?
Dave
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Exactly, a Marlo little finger pulldown. You cut the deck and retain the bottom one via the pulldown, and since it's a double undercut, you do it twice.
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Hideo Kato
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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 12:30am
Totally you do Triple Under Cut, not Double Under Cut.
You insert top three cards above bottom card when you do first cut.
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MagicofDesperado
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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 12:39am
So if I'm reading you right.
I have a break on the top three cards. I pull off the first bottom chunk with a pinky break on the bottom card. That card goes ba k to the bottom as I slide everything else in my left hand over the too cards and do that twice. I see.
Thx
Dave
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Uli Weigel
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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 5:45am
Don't do a double or triple cut at all. Instead perform a bluff transfer cut like this: Establish a break under the top three cards. While the right hand takes the three cards in a closed biddle grip, the left hand buckles the bottom card. The right hand feeds the cut cards into the break and you're done. The action looks like a simple regular cut. If you do this rather briskly, without hesitation and without looking, it's very hard to see that you're not moving half the deck but only three cards.
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MagicofDesperado
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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 12:07pm
Good suggestion Uli. In fact it's weird perhaps that your method wasn't the one used as after researching it a bit, in another trick Sadowitz uses that same ruse but with one card.
Cheers,
Dave
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Justin W.
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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 12:17pm
That handling was already suggested, by Alel.
In terms of efficiency, it's your straightest option.
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Uli Weigel
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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 12:47pm
Oh sorry. I must have overlooked Alel's post. Anyway, that method does the job adequately and without fumbling or excess handling.
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MagicofDesperado
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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 2:04pm
Yes I just noticed that Alel had said the same thing. Kudos for all the help.
Dave
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Hideo Kato
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Posted: Apr 26, 2012 6:41pm
Single cut is most clear that I have cut the deck. So I would use single cut if it fits the context of the routine. Triple gut looks like I am mixing the cards. So I would use triple cut if it fits the context of the routine.
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MagicJuggler
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Posted: Apr 27, 2012 9:38am
I think the description as you quoted it was missing some details, thus the obvious confusion. I would think the move as described, doesn't really work too well if you want the bottom card to stay the bottom at least without some extra move thrown in. Why not just arrainge the card so the intended bottom card starts fourth from the top, then get a break under four cards and double undercut to the bottom? There's dozens of ways of arrainging the cards as you need, but that's the easiest way of integrating the double undercut that I can think of.
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MagicofDesperado
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Posted: Apr 27, 2012 7:15pm
In the context of this routine the single cut makes the most sense to me.
Thanks for all the input!
Dave
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