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bluemagic
Regular user
155 Posts
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 12:25am
What are your rules for choosing effects.some of my rules are,they most fit my style of profroming,simple to under stand and must be fun.i look to doc eason and eugene burger.
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bluemagic
Regular user
155 Posts
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 2:22am
I ask the question to be helpful to other magician and my self. are there no rules you follow?
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CardC
Regular user
San Miguel de Allende, Mexico
151 Posts
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 9:29am
I'm not a professional magician...yet, however I would say basic rules for closers should not only be absolutely mind boggling, and something simple and easy to remember.
More subtle rules should be:
You are the closer, to connect with your audience, help guide them through the astonishment you presented them, let them down softly as paul Harris says, and conclude the performance with good energy in the air.
be happy
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Alan Munro
Inner circle
Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA
5426 Posts
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 3:13pm
I look for an entertaining plot. I can usually make it fit my persona, after I analyze why it has the potential to entertain. It must be a fooler, must be practical or can be made practical.
http://www.sneakymagician.com/
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Mary Mowder
Inner circle
2002 Posts
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 4:09pm
Strong Magic, off the table. A sure thing that is not too effected by lighting, weather or angles.
I like it if the effect to be easily described by the spectator after the performance.
I try to pick up several non-card effects to every one card effect in my working repertoire. (At home I do what I want.)
If it is a strong effect but the patter doesn't fit or interest me, I change it. Gypsy Thread is a fav. because it can be performed differently for different folks.
Easy to carry and no (or quick) reset. (I am willing to do the set up ahead of time like Gypsy Thread or WarpII)
I like some of my material to show "big" in case the crowd gets large so I'm aware of that in choosing new magic as well.
I have effects that will "Get the cash out" but I really don't think that way while I'm performing.
Magic that engages or involves the audience is a priority. I like it if there are places for the Audience to quip with me although that may happen between effects as well.
Good Thread.
I think choosing the Magic in your repertiore is one of the most important things you do. It can make you look better than other Magicains who have similar skill levels but were not so careful.
-Mary Mowder
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bluemagic
Regular user
155 Posts
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 9:00pm
I like what all you had to say.i'm always looking to improve my magic.mary thank you and rest of you too.
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bishthemagish
Inner circle
5579 Posts
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 9:19pm
I think personality and skill are important. Skill can be learned it is the learning of the craft part however it is harder to develope a winning and charming personality. And impossible for some it seems.
Good luck
Just a few thoughts and opinion.
Glenn Bishop - Bish The Magish!
Magician, Card Sharp and Master Hypnotist.
http://glennbishopmagicandcards.blogspot.com
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bluemagic
Regular user
155 Posts
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:04pm
You don't know me and many people think I'm charming.
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MickNZ
Veteran user
Auckland, New Zealand
375 Posts
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:56am
Fits in a spare pocket and has an instant reset.
Auckland Magician Mick Peck, New Zealand
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Harry Murphy
Staff
Maryland
4853 Posts
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 6:01am
Since this is in the Table Hoppers and Party Strollers section and that implies pretty close-up work; I'd say make sure your teeth are brushed, your breath fresh, your hands and nails are clean. If you bite your nails find a different job.
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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Dr_J_Ayala
Inner circle
In search of Vlad Dracul and his
2062 Posts
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 7:14am
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On 2012-04-30 06:01, Harry Murphy wrote:
Since this is in the Table Hoppers and Party Strollers section and that implies pretty close-up work; I'd say make sure your teeth are brushed, your breath fresh, your hands and nails are clean. If you bite your nails find a different job.
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Well said Harry!
I have found through experience that, as a slight twist to what was said above by CardC, find something that makes a person at the table the star. Get the table (or at least one person) to participate in the magic with you. Again, as mentioned above, the material you chose has to fit your personality, your character and it should fit the venue/event/occasion in/for which you are performing (one would not normally perform geek/gross-out magic, or bizarre magic at an upscale event or family restaurant). Magic that can fit in your pockets, take up as little space as possible and use little to no table space is best (you probably will not be lugging around even a small case from table to table, and in most restaurants these days you do not have room for them on tables or small stands).
For a closer, make sure it is something strong, simple to remember/easy to follow (for both you and the audience participant/s) and if possible, leaves them with something of a souvenir or gift to remember you by afterward. What fits in this category will depend on your personality and how you play it up, and it can change from table to table, person to person. It can be anything like a T&R straw wrapper (with the straw still inside), a card effect within the collector plot, card to wallet, etc.
I hope this information is useful to you.
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Daz Buckley
Veteran user
Australia
378 Posts
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Posted: May 1, 2012 2:09am
1 Drop dead, astonishing effect
2 Resets immediately / repeatable
3 Must fit in my costume comfortably
4 Preferably " in the hands"
5 Must fit my persona and be routinable for me
and finally, but not most importantly, I must enjoy performing it.
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ThatsJustWrong!
Special user
My flying monkeys are perched on
583 Posts
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Posted: May 1, 2012 1:40pm
A closeup set, for me, needs to:
1. Astonish, befuddle and leave them hungry for more
2. Involve two or more people at a table whenever possible
3. Leave them as a hero, never a dupe
4. Reset easily if not instantly
5. (This is a hard one) Become an impromptu closer cause stuff happens
6. Leave a business card in someone's hand as a souvenir they won't just discard
7. Reference monkeys. Or bourbon. Or monkeys drinking bourbon.
Joe Leo
www.MisfitMagic.net
All entertainers can benefit from some help from an experienced stage director. How about you?
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Dr_J_Ayala
Inner circle
In search of Vlad Dracul and his
2062 Posts
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Posted: May 1, 2012 8:58pm
I forgot one of my own prerequisites - Always leave them wanting more (regardless of whether you leave them with a souvenir or card). Gifts and souvenirs (memorable and truly magical ones) will keep reminding them of that experience and make them want to see more.
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Dannydoyle
Eternal Order
14055 Posts
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Posted: May 1, 2012 11:20pm
My rules pertain more to appearance and how I act with guests than tricks.
Danny Doyle
Semper Occultus
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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MickNZ
Veteran user
Auckland, New Zealand
375 Posts
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Posted: May 2, 2012 1:32am
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On 2012-04-29 00:25, bluemagic wrote:
What are your rules for choosing effects.
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Auckland Magician Mick Peck, New Zealand
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pepka
Inner circle
Uh, I'm the one on the right.
3797 Posts
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Posted: May 2, 2012 1:47am
1. Easy to follow plot
2. Easy reset
3. Examinable
4. Happens in their hands
5. Leaves them with a souvenir
6. Helps me pick up hotties like the one in this photo
www.forentertainmentonly.com
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Brainbu$ter
Regular user
Indianapolis, IN
118 Posts
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Posted: May 22, 2012 5:01pm
1. The magical moment happens in the hands of the spectator. When I perform That's It! I deal the cards I cut to onto their outstretched palm, instead of onto a table. I love the MacDonald's Aces, a beautiful effect, but I no longer perform it because it doesn't involve spectators enough, IMO.
2. It's visual (and not necessarily the magical moment). I think there must be movement and interest for the eye, especially in the sorts of venues in which we perform.
3. It's reset is instant or nearly so.
4. It's fairly angle-proof.
5. It's multisphasic. A routine with several phases, such as ACR, or Homing Card, Card under Saltshaker
has multiple climaxes.
The reason such climaxes are important is because our social intercourse
is often interrupted prematurely
by wait staff.
6. Can be performed without a sleeve.
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Hofi
New user
52 Posts
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Posted: Jun 24, 2012 3:36pm
Astonishment, easy to follow, no / automatic reset (max small reset in off beat), potential to entertain, angle proof
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bluemagic
Regular user
155 Posts
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Posted: Jun 26, 2012 12:41am
Another question,what are the rules choosing a opener,middle and closer effects.
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Close.Up.Dave
Inner circle
Behind you!
2739 Posts
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Posted: Jun 26, 2012 7:37am
I can't help but disagree with the starting point that many people here are at. There are only 2 "rules" that I can think of that would dictate what trick I choose:
1. It should suit my personality and character as a performer
2. It should convey the message I have chosen to express with my magic, and thus create the proper response in the audience. (This will allow me to make a connection with them and they will understand the theme of the magic)
Choosing a bunch of tricks simply because they reset or are visual, to me, are the details. If the trick doesn't accomplish those two rules, then it shouldn't go into the act. Most of the time you have to work diligently through experience to make the trick accomplish the 2 rules. And if it doesn't, then switch them out (which is what I've been doing as of the last year).
Something, such as angle proof magic, does not focus on the audience or their reaction other than ensuring that you did a good trick and they were fooled. To me, that's like a musician choosing to play a song at a concert because he thinks the solo looks impressive, rather than caring about the audience, the emotions they will feel, and how well it suits the set list.
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whiteoakcanyon
Special user
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Posted: Jun 26, 2012 7:54am
I typically like to contribute to posts like this one. It is a great topic to discuss. I just don't think I can put together a list more concise than Joe Leo's listed a few posts above.
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MagicJuggler
Special user
Anchorage, AK
918 Posts
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Posted: Jun 27, 2012 8:15am
I prefer to choose material that I can make my own. Stuff that I can connect with and develop my own spin or presentations for. That way they're more true to me and I can come across more genuine to the audience. Right now about half the effects I do are either my own creation, or something I've spent a lot of time on working on my own presentation.
Matthew Olsen
www.mattolsenmagic.com
I heard from a friend that anecdotal evidence is actually quite reliable.
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jay leslie
V.I.P.
southern california
6323 Posts
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Posted: Jun 27, 2012 6:57pm
Rules? We don't have no rules rules, We don't need no stinkin rules.
It's like asking "What rules should I use to be an actor" You are either an "Inner outer" or an "outer Inner. http://www.cliffosmond.com/html/writings_on_acting.html
What most people do (over time) is buy and/or learn many different types of effects and eventually concentrate their routines to the ones that get the best responses. Those who perform something because it's new or because it makes them feel good are not approaching this thing we call Magic, as a true professional. We are not here to entertain ourselves - we are here to entertain others. Otherwise bartenders would not sell a single shot but drink everything themselves. In the end you perform what pays the most money and what creates the best reactions
Asking what someone else does is like asking "What are your rules for choosing a mate". My personal criteria has nothing to do with the effects I/we may want to perform. We video taped every show (some 200 shows) and retained illusions people liked and cut those that didn't generate a good response.
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And you know what they say - if it works... it's a Miracle!
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slyhand
Inner circle
Good ole Virginia
1746 Posts
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Posted: Jun 28, 2012 6:58am
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On 2012-06-27 18:57, jay leslie wrote:
Rules? We don't have no rules rules, We don't need no stinkin rules.
It's like asking "What rules should I use to be an actor" You are either an "Inner outer" or an "outer Inner. http://www.cliffosmond.com/html/writings_on_acting.html
What most people do (over time) is buy and/or learn many different types of effects and eventually concentrate their routines to the ones that get the best responses. Those who perform something because it's new or because it makes them feel good are not approaching this thing we call Magic, as a true professional. We are not here to entertain ourselves - we are here to entertain others. Otherwise bartenders would not sell a single shot but drink everything themselves. In the end you perform what pays the most money and what creates the best reactions
Asking what someone else does is like asking "What are your rules for choosing a mate". My personal criteria has nothing to do with the effects I/we may want to perform. We video taped every show (some 200 shows) and retained illusions people liked and cut those that didn't generate a good response.
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Yay!
I was going to comment here and start it out with the same line!
Jay has said it all for me. Some reset quick while others don't. Some I love while others I can take or leave. It's what works for my audience.
I am getting so tired of slitting the throats of people who say that I am a violent psychopath.
Alec
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motown
Inner circle
Atlanta by way of Detroit
4765 Posts
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Posted: Jun 28, 2012 5:12pm
-It has to be something I enjoy performing and entertaining for the audience.
-Magic that's less expected. Something they hopefuly haven't seen before.
"If you ever write anything about me after I'm gone, I will come back and haunt you."
– Karl Germain
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Eduardo
Veteran user
302 Posts
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Posted: Jun 29, 2012 9:47pm
Rules, make you think small... I hate rules, do not respect them... avoid rules... choose the effects you want... rules are sad... be free... the problem of humanity is the excess of the fuc**** rules... this is not a rule... throw away some cards, you don't have to have all of them... rules create tension, many times rules create fear... real artists hate rules... life is short to be wasted with respecting rules...
be happy, be free, love your audience...
http://www.eduardofernandes.com
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Close.Up.Dave
Inner circle
Behind you!
2739 Posts
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Posted: Jun 30, 2012 12:06pm
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On 2012-06-29 21:47, Eduardo wrote:
Rules, make you think small... I hate rules, do not respect them... avoid rules... choose the effects you want... rules are sad... be free... the problem of humanity is the excess of the fuc**** rules... this is not a rule... throw away some cards, you don't have to have all of them... rules create tension, many times rules create fear... real artists hate rules... life is short to be wasted with respecting rules...
be happy, be free, love your audience...
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"Learn the rules so one day you will know how to break them properly" -Dalai Lama
Every artist goes in with a plan or abides by a structure, even if it is one of chaos. A new performer cannot make free (and good) art without first understanding the medium he is using.
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Irfaan Kahan
Veteran user
346 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2012 3:33am
1) Pocket Space!!
2) Pocket Space!!
3) Resets as you finish or put away automatically (this can be adapted to a lot of effects with some creativity)
4) Not too angle sensitive (for the surrounding tables)
5) Doesn't take too long to "get into" the magic part
6) Also, I try not do something that requires the audience's hands. Their hands can be busy, awkward to get to, or greasy and smudge my cards or give an unpleasant feel to coins, etc.
7) Pocket Space.
I'm a Magician playing the part of an Actor
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LeoC-Coins
New user
14 Posts
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Posted: Jul 7, 2012 12:33pm
What I use in my repertoire is:
sponge balls (jay noblezada's sponge DVD)
card to wallet (BKM wallet)
3/4 coins across including a finale of a jumbo coin (craig pettys flipped out and eric jones' spectators visible coins across are both brilliant)
stand up monte by garrett thomas (the best)
Lethal combination by Jay Sankey (signed version)
Industrial revelation (jamie grant)
the rules I use is that everything must be in the hands, every trick must finish on a real high just incase (say your in a pub) a waiter walks over with a tray of food so even if you can't finish you still leave them amazed, never perform to people who are eating, aim for groups of girls (younger) because you get a lot better reaction and they're less sceptical compared to boys, try and involve as many people as possible remember your performing for everyone not just the person who picked the card, if someone see's how you do it don't let it destroy your routine just either ignore them or say "congrats you caught me out, lets try something else sill we, this time if you see how its done, good but don't say it out loud and ruin the magic for everyone else...ok?" but remember when you get caught out its a good thing and a brilliant time to take advantage of the moment and learn from your mistakes
hope this helps anyone who reads it
thanks
leo
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