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Tomer
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Israel
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 8:21pm
I've developed this routine for meetings with clients and wanted to share it with you after getting so much from the Café. It's not for your "every day between tables" kind of thing, but more of a "sit down around a quiet table" kind of effect which takes a few minutes.
I explain that I'm about to perform the same effect twice for two different people, at the same time, with 2 decks of cards, but since I'm only one person the 1st person would do everything visibly and the second would just imagine me doing it for him as well. I explain to him that he needs to do the exact same thing as the other spectator: "If he takes a card from the deck, you pretend to take a card from the deck, if he shuffles the cards, you pretend to shuffle a deck of cards, if he says something... you say the same thing".
Now I just do the basic Biddle Trick to the 1st spectator - he shuffles the deck, takes a card, puts it back, I lose it in the deck... etc.
Eventually, he's left with the deck in his right hand and the 4 cards (which he thinks are 5) in his left hand. The 2nd spectator just has both hands palm up imagining everything. Now I say: "now you both imagine taking the 1 card you chose from those 5 cards... turning it upside down and placing it in the middle of the deck..." They do so. I then finish the Biddle Trick - showing there are only 4 cards, the 1st spectator card has vanished and is now the only face down card from the face up deck. (1st effect)
I tell the 2nd spectator that he just imagined everything, I say: "for the 1st time, tell everyone what card you're thinking of". I open the card case, remove the cards, there is 1 card face down and it's his thought of card.
A few points:
# When presenting the decks (1 regular, 1 Invisible decks) I give the 1st spectator a free choice of either decks, whichever spectator that ends up with the regular deck I perform the biddle trick for him and the Invisible Deck for the other.
# This effect really takes the heat of wanting to examine the Invisible Deck at the end (if you've had any trouble or fear there) because the spectators really feel they could of picked any deck and both are regular.
# Spreading the deck face up at the end of the Biddle Trick is important, so you would have the same image with the invisible deck.
# I've tried doing the same routine with other effects such as Triumphant, but didn't find them as strong as the Biddle Trick, at least not for me.
# This routine has a lot of room for humor. When the spectator shuffles and the other one pretends to, when he picks a card and you tell both to remember... I always saw those parts in the Biddle Trick kind of dead and this routine really helps that.
# The fun about Biddle Trick is that the trick is done before it started, this really leaves a lot of room for presentation. I present it in kind of a humorous way at first, and when the effect begins... there are no more silly gags or anything, just pure magic.
At meetings with clients, this is often the routine I perform, it kills.
Try it out, I'm having a blast with this routine and thought maybe someone else would too.
Tomer
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Ed Oschmann
Special user
Lake Worth FL
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:09pm
I think you should keep this one to yourself. Wonderful presentational hook!
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MagicofDesperado
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 10:07pm
Excellent idea. Exactly how do you present the bidde trick. Do you hand the deck and the face up packet to the spectator at the end or ? Maybe I'm missing something from your explanation.
Dave
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MuMu2017
New user
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 10:48pm
Really wonderful idea! The combination of the two effects makes it miracle!
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edwardsausagefingers
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Loathsome newb with only
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Posted: May 1, 2012 7:17am
Very nice idea, thanks for sharing it Tomer.
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cirrus
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Posted: May 1, 2012 8:27am
What's the point? where's the hook for the spectator? The connection? what does this effect tell you about the performer?
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Tomer
Regular user
Israel
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Posted: May 1, 2012 8:31am
MagicofDesperado,
I thought that was self explanatory, I'll explain:
In the Biddle Trick itself, the card ends up in the face down deck held by the spectator, I just turn it face up while placing it in his hand.
Next, I'm counting the 4 cards in my hand as 5 and placing them face up in his other hand. I then tell him to imagine taking his card out, turning it face down and placing it in the face up deck. Again, the reason I do everything face up instead of face down is because I want it to look the same when showing the Invisible Deck.
If you have any further questions you're welcome to PM me.
Cirrus,
everything I've mentioned is just the technical part of combining the two, you can put in any presentational that hook you wish, here are a few examples:
# It can be about imagination and reality
# You're just too lazy to perform the same trick twice
# Explain that whenever you perform this effect you're always get asked to do it again, that's why you're doing it twice.
Another note, most performances I saw of the Biddle Trick have no "presentational hook", spectator just picks a card and the magician finds it in a magical way. Invisible deck was presented in many different ways, but many times also with no "presentational hook".
Thanks for the feedback guys.
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JamieUK
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Posted: May 1, 2012 10:45am
I think that's quite clever - nice!
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Ben Train
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Posted: May 1, 2012 10:57am
Where's the "like" button?
Ben
I'm on twitter baby! twitter.com/ErdnaseinTo
I'm also on facebook! Search for Benzi Train.
And, of course, you can email me at Magic@BenTrain.ca
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cirrus
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Posted: May 1, 2012 11:33am
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On 2012-05-01 10:57, Ben Train wrote:
Where's the "like" button?
Ben
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I hope they never implement it on the magic café. I hate facebook things popping up everywhere. I don't have a facebook account anymore. I just love my privacy.
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Justin W.
Loyal user
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Posted: May 1, 2012 11:34am
What does a "like" button have to do with your privacy?
Also, this is an excellent idea, Tomer. Thanks for sharing.
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cirrus
Inner circle
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Posted: May 1, 2012 12:01pm
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On 2012-05-01 11:34, Justin W. wrote:
What does a "like" button have to do with your privacy?
Also, this is an excellent idea, Tomer. Thanks for sharing.
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I'm not going to discuss this to deeply but everytime you like something on facebook, it shows up on your profile, that way advertisers know exactly what kind of products you like and what products are more likely to be liked then others.
Every site you watch and logon with your facebook account is monitored and saved. I know this is also true by normal surfing, but by normal surfing they don't know my full name, date of birth and who knows me in real life.
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Ben Train
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Posted: May 1, 2012 12:27pm
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On 2012-05-01 11:33, cirrus wrote:
I hope they never implement it on the magic café. I hate facebook things popping up everywhere. I don't have a facebook account anymore. I just love my privacy.
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Like.
I'm on twitter baby! twitter.com/ErdnaseinTo
I'm also on facebook! Search for Benzi Train.
And, of course, you can email me at Magic@BenTrain.ca
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Magic-Daniel
Special user
Denmark
682 Posts
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Posted: May 1, 2012 12:55pm
@cirrus
Do you have any positive things to say, about anything?
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Magic-Daniel
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Denmark
682 Posts
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Posted: May 1, 2012 1:11pm
@tomer
Very interesting idea, but you don't think that the Invisible Deck effect takes all the focus away from the biddle effect, because it's a stronger effect?
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warren
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uk
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Posted: May 1, 2012 1:20pm
Good thinking thanks for sharing........ like 
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Tomer
Regular user
Israel
112 Posts
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Posted: May 1, 2012 1:24pm
Ben Train,
glad to hear you like the idea, I'm a fan. 
Magic-Daniel,
I think it's like any other routine that builds itself. Whenever you do a classic Ambitious Card routine, they will only remember the big climaxes. They'll remember the card in the mouth and the bent card jumping to the top at the end. Same goes for a full stage act, the audience will remember the big parts.
The Invisible Deck does take the focus off the Biddle Trick, but I honestly believe it's a routine that builds itself. Both tricks individually are very strong, but since their so strong I always found them as a "do it again!" kind of effects... which is why this routine works very well for me. Again, it's not something I perform while doing table hopping, but it is something when I really want to see someone's jaw fall on the floor.
It's maybe not your cup of tea, but just try it out...
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Justin W.
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Posted: May 1, 2012 3:21pm
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I know this is also true by normal surfing, but by normal surfing they don't know my full name, date of birth and who knows me in real life.
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Hahahaha.
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cirrus
Inner circle
his minions made
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Posted: May 1, 2012 3:36pm
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On 2012-05-01 12:55, Magic-Daniel wrote:
@cirrus
Do you have any positive things to say, about anything?
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off course I do. But I love to do something stupid it's called thinking. (I love that George Carlin quote).
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FrenchDrop
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Posted: May 1, 2012 3:43pm
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On 2012-05-01 12:27, Ben Train wrote:
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On 2012-05-01 11:33, cirrus wrote:
I hope they never implement it on the magic café. I hate facebook things popping up everywhere. I don't have a facebook account anymore. I just love my privacy.
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Like.
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FrenchDrop and three others like this.
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MagicofDesperado
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Posted: May 1, 2012 8:20pm
Thanks Tomer. I was thinking of another effect using the biddle move and therefor confusicated myself 
Excellent idea btw. I have a gig this weekend as will be breaking this combination out to good effect me thinks.
Cheers,
Dave
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Chris Piercy
Special user
Dorset, England
929 Posts
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Posted: May 2, 2012 3:33am
I recommend getting Dan Harlan's switchblade, this made the biddle trick about 10 times better in my opinion.
http://www.chrispiercymagic.co.uk
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magiclimber
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Boulder, Colorado
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Posted: May 2, 2012 6:18pm
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On 2012-04-30 21:09, Ed Oschmann wrote:
I think you should keep this one to yourself. Wonderful presentational hook!
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so true. delete this post quick and don't ever share good ideas like this. way too good to share!
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yabi
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Cherry Hill, NJ
90 Posts
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Posted: May 2, 2012 8:56pm
Tomer,
Very good and well thought out presentation. Over the years I have worked out my own unique presentation of the biddle trick and the invisible deck, but marring the two together could definitely bring something cool and refreshing to the mix. I do have a question; the biddle trick and the invisible deck are both very powerful mysterious for the spectator. Do you ever feel that the impact of the effects suffer when combined together vs if you performed them separate?
Thanks again,
y.
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Tomer
Regular user
Israel
112 Posts
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Posted: May 3, 2012 9:58am
Thank you for your comments guys.
Yabi,
I decide what I want to do on the spot. I too perform the Invisible Deck and the Biddle Trick by themselves at certain situations. When the time is right I'll combine the two together and perform this particular routine. As I've mentioned, it's mostly for business meetings and small shows. Biddle Trick can be done almost silently in bars and clubs, Invisible Deck can be performed with minimum presentation and almost no build-up for a good reaction. This routine is really for the moment when you can sit down and build it up.
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Trolle
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Denmark
187 Posts
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Posted: May 6, 2012 4:22pm
I love this kind of creative thinking. Combine different methods and create synergy and camouflage at the same time.
Thanks for sharing!
Troels
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uri
New user
Israel
94 Posts
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Posted: May 6, 2012 5:08pm
Gadol.
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Caleb Wiles
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Posted: May 7, 2012 1:11pm
Awesome. I totally see myself using this.... and publishing it in my next book. Just kidding
Caleb
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TomasB
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Sweden
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Posted: May 7, 2012 4:29pm
Fantastic! Thank you very much for sharing this gem.
/Tomas
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Curtis Kam
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Posted: May 8, 2012 4:56am
I'm really liking this combination, pretty much in spite of the fact that I'm far too lazy to carry two decks around under any circumstances. But I would carry a mini ID, and that makes this very possible. Thanks for sharing.
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