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panlives

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Posted: May 3, 2012 7:44am    Reply with quote   View Profile of panlives  

In the 1995 movie, Rob Roy, starring Liam Neeson, Jessica Lange, John Hurt, Tim Roth, Eric Stoltz, etc., there is a heart-rending scene where Rob’s men are listening to an achingly beautiful Scottish Gaelic song.

It is called, Ailein Duinn, ("Dark-haired Alan") sung by Karen Matheson. The solo female voice and melody is a haunting lament of the human heart.

The scene is visually juxtaposed by the betrayal and murder of Rob Roy’s loyal friend, MacDonald, played by Eric Stoltz.

Do you have your own favourite moments from movies with such effective evocations of song or musical beauty contrasted by mournfulness?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJMC2keqX_0

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Posted: May 3, 2012 9:40am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Michael Baker  

Sgt. Elias' Death scene in "Platoon".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HzIVc2vwVE

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Posted: May 3, 2012 9:43am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Woland  

What about the juxtapositions at the end of "The Godfather" - ?
panlives

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Posted: May 3, 2012 10:12am    Reply with quote   View Profile of panlives  

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On 2012-05-03 09:40, Michael Baker wrote:
Sgt. Elias' Death scene in "Platoon".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HzIVc2vwVE




That was...incredible.

Thank you.

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"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
"The dog did nothing in the night-time."
"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.
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Posted: May 3, 2012 10:45am    Reply with quote   View Profile of S2000magician  

Oddly, just this morning I was thinking of the title song from M*A*S*H (included in the scene where the Painless Pole commits suicide: Suicide is Painless.

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Pakar Ilusi

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Posted: May 3, 2012 11:06am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Pakar Ilusi  

The ending of "Pay It Forward" gets me everytime...

This is the only clip I could find on Youtube, a bit long... Fast forward to the last 5 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxzDEAysQ18&feature=related

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Posted: May 3, 2012 11:11am    Reply with quote   View Profile of LobowolfXXX  

The end of Donnie Darko (my second-favorite sic-fi (arguably) movie, behind Blade Runner), when Donnie takes one for the team to the tune of the Mad World cover by Gary Jules.

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Posted: May 3, 2012 12:30pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Bob1Dog  

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On 2012-05-03 09:43, Woland wrote:
What about the juxtapositions at the end of "The Godfather" - ?


You beat me to it. G-I, that is.

What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?

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Posted: May 3, 2012 12:53pm    mastermindreader is on-line  Reply with quote   View Profile of mastermindreader  

Lara's Theme from Doctor Zhivago.
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Posted: May 3, 2012 1:31pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Woland  

Great movie, great story, great theme. Thanks, Bob.
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On 2012-05-03 13:31, Woland wrote:
Great movie, great story, great theme. Thanks, Bob.



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Posted: May 3, 2012 4:27pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of critter  

I hate to admit this publically, but the episode of the Highlander TV series where Tessa dies and they show the flashbacks of how they met to "Dust in the Wind" choked me up in high school.

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Posted: May 3, 2012 5:02pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Woland  

I mentioned the irony at the end of "Heart of Darkness" in another thread some time ago . . . it was conspicuously missing from FF Coppola's adaptation. But it would have been perfect for this thread, had it been filmed.
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Posted: May 3, 2012 7:14pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Michael Baker  

Another is the ending scene from "Gran Torino", with Clint Eastwood singing the title song.

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Posted: May 3, 2012 7:56pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Woland  

That was a vry sad movie, Mr Baker. I was surprised the funeral was so thinly attended.
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"High Noon" theme By Tex Ritter.
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On 2012-05-03 19:56, Woland wrote:
That was a vry sad movie, Mr Baker. I was surprised the funeral was so thinly attended.



I think that was the real juxtaposition. Compared to his wife's funeral, in which the house was filled with people, the message was that everyone must have loved her, but he was himself mostly unlikable. We eventually found out the goodness at his core, which made the sad musical ending work. Otherwise, nobody would really care.

The sparse funeral attendance increased the sadness.

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Woland

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Posted: May 3, 2012 9:49pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Woland  

Would have expected a different crowd at his funeral. Especially because of what he had done for that entire community of people. But the kids driving away in the Gran Torino, that was nice.
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I didn't see the ending of Gran Torino as sad at all. The people he found to be his REAL friends and family and who had given the end of his life meaning attended his funeral. The film ended with the victory that gave meaning back to his life. His newfound "son" inherits the car and his greedy biological family gets what they deserve -nothing. The symbol of his life -the Gran Torino- goes to his new "son" who is seen happily driving it (with the dog) while Eastwood's poignant song is played.

I found it inspiring.
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Posted: May 3, 2012 10:58pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Woland  

I'd agree, Bob, but there was almost nobody at his funeral.
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Posted: May 3, 2012 10:59pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Michael Baker  

Yes, of course, but all those things that happened, were as a result of what happened to him. It was sad that he made the sacrifice that he did. There was a lot of satisfaction and resolve, but there was a huge price paid. A victory yes, but a tragic death still.

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On 2012-05-03 16:27, critter wrote:
I hate to admit this publically, but the episode of the Highlander TV series where Tessa dies and they show the flashbacks of how they met to "Dust in the Wind" choked me up in high school.



Boys don't cry, only men do.

Back on topic...

Who can forget that scene from "Good Morning Vietnam" (starring Robin Williams) showing the atrocities of the war while Louis Armstrong's "It's A Wonderful World" plays in the background?

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On 2012-05-03 22:58, Woland wrote:
I'd agree, Bob, but there was almost nobody at his funeral.



But the most important people, the family who lived next door, were there (except for the grandmother). They, and the pastor, were the ones who mattered.
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Posted: May 4, 2012 2:39am    Reply with quote   View Profile of critter  

This one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eij5IGNNcc

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Posted: May 4, 2012 11:00am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Woland  

I didn't find the sacrifice sad. I thought it was very well thought-out and executed. It accomplished the necessary result, and no one else was harmed. The absence of more than a handful of people from the Hmong community surprised me a lot. I'd have thought they'd have turned out in force. Perhaps the point was to show, that it did not matter if the sacrifice was appreciated recognized by anyone, it accomplished the necessary result.
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I think the fact that the Hmong family came to the funeral dressed in their traditional garb showed a great deal of honor and respect, in direct counterpoint to the treatment Walter received from his biological family.

But, as I indicated earlier, I found the ending of the film to be uplifting. It had a sense of vindication, justice and respect for the protagonist who, instead of dying in a nursing home (where his family wanted to send him), went out as the true soldier he once was.

If he had died forgotten in an assisted living facility, THAT would have been sad.

Good thoughts,

Bob
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Posted: May 4, 2012 12:57pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Woland  

Good points, Bob. I'm just saying that my initial reaction, when first seeing the picture, was shock that the Church was so empty.
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"It's a Long Road" from First Blood
"Suicide is Painless" from M*A*S*H

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On 2012-05-04 12:57, Woland wrote:
Good points, Bob. I'm just saying that my initial reaction, when first seeing the picture, was shock that the Church was so empty.



I know. But by that standard I'd have to classify some of my shows as "sad!"

Seriously, though- what if only TWO people showed up at Walter's funeral- the boy and his sister, both dressed in their full Hmong funeral regalia? I would have seen that as a triumph. It's not how many who show up that counts- it's WHO they are.

Anyway, I think we both agree that this one one of Eastwood's best films. Easily one of my favorites.

Best-

Bob
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