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todsky
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Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: May 10, 2012 1:38pm
This is a smart idea: something that someone in the 21st century would actually carry around. Anyone know how well it works?
http://www.maxello.com/index.php?p=9201&c=ms-11167&q=9603
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Bill Hegbli
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Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
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Posted: May 10, 2012 2:50pm
I would be more interested in the size of the thermos. Also, as they state, that may not be what the product actually looks like. They do take liberty at taking any picture off the Internet and inserting them in the description.
Very logical for a street performer as you are.
Being the thermos is ready made for this type of effect, I see no reason why it would not work. Although, screwing on the lid may effect the working or the prop.
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jimhlou
Inner circle
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Posted: May 10, 2012 3:33pm
I'm not sure that would go over very well. Anyone that's looked into a thermos knows there's a small liquid containing center tube surrounded by empty space. Put two and two together and you know where the liquid's coming from. Just my opinion.
Jim
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: May 10, 2012 3:33pm
The manufacturer is Magie Imperiale, not much info on them.
Actually, Hegblini, I'm not primarily a street performer, although I did have a busking video on my website for some strange reason (long story!) I do mostly parlour and stage, and some close-up. Still, throughout the course of a show imagine reaching for your thermos to have a drink, and it keeps refilling. Very organic!
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: May 10, 2012 3:38pm
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On 2012-05-10 15:33, jimhlou wrote:
I'm not sure that would go over very well. Anyone that's looked into a thermos knows there's a small liquid containing center tube surrounded by empty space. Put two and two together and you know where the liquid's coming from. Just my opinion.
Jim
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That's a good point, but I still don't think most people will put two and two together.
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Bill Hegbli
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Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
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Posted: May 10, 2012 3:44pm
I agree with todsky, just because you (Jimhlou) know the principles does not mean everyone knows the working. The general public is not attuned to such things. I would say, most don't even know what a thermos is, they all carry their bottled water with them.
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: May 11, 2012 3:11pm
It turns out the thermos is as pictured on the website. As for the size, it's mentioned on the website that it's 8.5 x 2.5 inches.
It's also available here:
http://www.perfectmagic.com/p-2376-therma-lot.aspx
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Trolle
Regular user
Denmark
187 Posts
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Posted: May 22, 2012 3:51pm
I really like the idea of using well known everyday objects instead of strange looking bowls stamped with "Made by the Magician Supplier's Factory".
It should be rather obvious how to turn your own termos into a perpetuum termos. I have already developed a gimmick to put into our water pot (for watering our flower pots) making it a Lota watering pot. Great fun to turn well known objects into magic objects.
Troels
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: May 22, 2012 9:49pm
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On 2012-05-22 15:51, Trolle wrote:
I really like the idea of using well known everyday objects instead of strange looking bowls stamped with "Made by the Magician Supplier's Factory".
It should be rather obvious how to turn your own termos into a perpetuum termos. I have already developed a gimmick to put into our water pot (for watering our flower pots) making it a Lota watering pot. Great fun to turn well known objects into magic objects.
Troels
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I understand how they're made, but how the *bleep* do you drill that inner hole?! I'm not exactly a handyman...
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Bill Hegbli
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Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
13077 Posts
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Posted: May 22, 2012 11:22pm
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On 2012-05-22 21:49, todsky wrote:
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On 2012-05-22 15:51, Trolle wrote:
I really like the idea of using well known everyday objects instead of strange looking bowls stamped with "Made by the Magician Supplier's Factory".
It should be rather obvious how to turn your own thermos into a perpetual Thermos. I have already developed a gimmick to put into our water pot (for watering our flower pots) making it a Lota watering pot. Great fun to turn well known objects into magic objects.
Troels
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I understand how they're made, but how the *bleep* do you drill that inner hole?! I'm not exactly a handyman...
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There is all kinds of special accessories for drills, including drill bit extensions, flexible and solid. It actually has more to do with the assembly of the chosen Thermos jug and how it may come apart. Not all are made exactly the same way. If it would be easy, everyone would be making them. Remember, the Thermos has to be taken apart to remove all the insulation 1st.
Although, the manufactures could have ordered unassembled thermos parts and created the item themselves. If the old P&L Company could take a standard spittoon and make a Lota bowl out of it, I am sure others can do the same with "on the market" products.
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: May 24, 2012 9:03am
Well, I'm going to save myself the trouble of trying to make one myself: I just bought one from Maxello's. I'll let you all know my thoughts after I receive it.
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: Jun 5, 2012 8:09pm
Okay, it arrived today. It is a real metal thermos, nothing suspicious at all. The problem: the hole that's supposed to be drilled on the outside near the top was not drilled. Contacted maxello's, waiting to hear back from them. meanwhile, I'm considering drilling the hole myself, or getting someone to drill it for me.
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Bill Hegbli
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Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
13077 Posts
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Posted: Jun 5, 2012 9:31pm
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On 2012-06-05 20:09, todsky wrote:
Okay, it arrived today. It is a real metal thermos, nothing suspicious at all. The problem: the hole that's supposed to be drilled on the outside near the top was not drilled. Contacted maxello's, waiting to hear back from them. meanwhile, I'm considering drilling the hole myself, or getting someone to drill it for me.
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Maybe it works differently, did it come with instructions saying there should be a hole there? Just wondering.
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 8:21am
Yes, it's like a Lota bowl. maxello said it should have a hole near the top. I'm going to have to drill a hole.
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Bill Hegbli
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Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
13077 Posts
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Posted: Jun 6, 2012 3:20pm
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On 2012-06-06 08:21, todsky wrote:
Yes, it's like a Lota bowl. maxello said it should have a hole near the top. I'm going to have to drill a hole.
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I personally would not let Maxello sell me a defective prop. They should send you a replacement. If you paid through PayPal, file a complaint, to get your item replaced or refunded.
Just my opinion at what is the right thing to do.
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 9:06am
Well, I drilled a hole, but after trying it it only pours twice, and most of the water remains stuck in the inner chamber. Unfortunately I cannot recommend this product. I emailed maxello, we'll see what they will do about this. I paid with Visa, so we'll see what steps can be taken.
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Bill Hegbli
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Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
13077 Posts
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 1:52pm
The inner bottom has to meet the outer bottom, otherwise you will always have liquid left in the bottom between the chamber walls.
I am no scientist, but I think the size of the hole also effects how it fills.
This may also work in the lota principle, that pouring a thin stream looks like more then filling a glass or container.
With most lota, you do not wait till it stops filling, but interupt the filling action and pour. Most lotas work this way, if you wait till the liquid has seeked its own level, then you will only get 2 pours with all lota bowls.
These comments are from my experience with the lota bowl trick.
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todsky
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Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: Jun 7, 2012 7:31pm
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On 2012-06-07 13:52, wmhegbli wrote:
With most lota, you do not wait till it stops filling, but interupt the filling action and pour. Most lotas work this way, if you wait till the liquid has seeked its own level, then you will only get 2 pours with all lota bowls.
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I've never heard that it's supposed to be poured that way! That's very interesting!
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2012 7:45am
Anyhow, regardless of how many pours it‘s capable of, Maxello didn‘t offer me any kind of refund or exchange for the defective unit they sold me, despite sending them a couple of emails, so let this be a warning to others who might buy from them. They didn‘t even bother to apologize.
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Bill Hegbli
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Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
13077 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2012 9:05am
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On 2012-06-07 19:31, todsky wrote:
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On 2012-06-07 13:52, wmhegbli wrote:
With most lota, you do not wait till it stops filling, but interrupt the filling action and pour. Most lotas work this way, if you wait till the liquid has seeked its own level, then you will only get 2 pours with all lota bowls.
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I've never heard that it's supposed to be poured that way! That's very interesting!
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I have owned several classic Lota bowls in my magic career, from the beginner plastic to a large P&L Lota Bowl.
Well, think about it or try it yourself, take a ordinary classic lota bowl. Fill it with water. Now pour out the water it contains. Now it is empty, so it will fill up half way, pour out the water, now it will fill up one fourth the way, then one eighth, then one sixteenth. That sixteenth is hard to get out, by the way. The classic design of a large rounded top and a narrow bottom will of course give different amounts of liquid, but being you have a Thermos, it does not have a large bowl like top section. Therefore, it is equal amounts. That is if the interior walls are straight as in a real thermos bottle. If the interior is cone shape, then it will give one or two additional pours.
As a performer, you actually want the water to be seen as the same amount each time. This is were the practice come in and learning when to empty the bowl. That way you can get more pours of equal liquid. Or you can pour very small steams to give the illusion of the same amount of water being poured each time.
Anyway you look at it, it is the performers handling that creates the illusion, the prop is only there to help a little.
When I had a Morrissey Lota Bowl, that interior is almost the same shape as the exterior, so you get less pours out of it, then if the interior was narrower and cone shape.
Hope this helps to explain it a little.
Sorry to hear of you bad experience.
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2012 9:10pm
Thanks for the detailed info on the pouring technique, Hegblini. I‘m going to play around with my various lota bowls (including the therma-lot) with your handling suggestions in mind.
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David Charvet
Elite user
www.charvetmagic.com
470 Posts
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Posted: Jun 21, 2012 5:57pm
Thayer made a Thermos/Lota back in the 40's. "Everything old is new again!" Mac King also includes a custom-made one in his "Lunchbox 'O Magic" set. My son has one and has amazed his friends at school with it.
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: Jun 22, 2012 9:52am
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On 2012-06-21 17:57, David Charvet wrote:
Thayer made a Thermos/Lota back in the 40's. "Everything old is new again!" Mac King also includes a custom-made one in his "Lunchbox 'O Magic" set. My son has one and has amazed his friends at school with it.
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Didn‘t know that! The Thayer thermos must be a nice piece of work.
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David Charvet
Elite user
www.charvetmagic.com
470 Posts
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Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:11pm
The Thayer one is all-metal, made by the Humphry Brothers, I believe, who did most all of Thayer's metal work. I think this was a Bill Larsen Sr. idea - or at least was produced during the Larsen years at Thayer's. They are very rare and of course do not look like a modern Thermos.
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magicians
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Teacher and Legend
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Posted: Jun 22, 2012 12:46pm
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On 2012-06-17 09:05, wmhegbli wrote:
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On 2012-06-07 19:31, todsky wrote:
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On 2012-06-07 13:52, wmhegbli wrote:
With most lota, you do not wait till it stops filling, but interrupt the filling action and pour. Most lotas work this way, if you wait till the liquid has seeked its own level, then you will only get 2 pours with all lota bowls.
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Having primarily used the morrissey lota for 35 years, I have had great success with loads that look comparable and significant each time. This is accomplished by varying the speed of the pour as each amount is diminished. But, I do a comparison once in a while, by poring liquid back from the discard container to the lota bowl. Naturally the contents overflows thus proving that more liquid came out of this bowl than it could hold.
This also adds liquid to the lota as an amount is refilling the chamber while you are doing the comparison.
It ads another 3 or more sizeable pours.
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: Jun 24, 2012 7:46am
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On 2012-06-22 12:46, magicians wrote:
I do a comparison once in a while, by poring liquid back from the discard container to the lota bowl. Naturally the contents overflows thus proving that more liquid came out of this bowl than it could hold.
This also adds liquid to the lota as an amount is refilling the chamber while you are doing the comparison.
It ads another 3 or more sizeable pours.
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That is a brilliant idea!
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Bill Hegbli
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Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
13077 Posts
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Posted: Jun 24, 2012 8:05am
Having looked up Morrissey's instructions in their book, it says, there is no difinitive method for the Lota Bowl. So what ever works - works for you.
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: Jun 28, 2012 4:35pm
That works for me... 
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tom crecelius
New user
32 Posts
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Posted: Jul 3, 2012 10:30pm
I hand make lotas...... stoneware clay. Each is guaranteed to work and 100% satisfaction or I will make it right ! I have lotas, small and large, lota stoneware coffee cups and have made many for several magicians. Want one that looks like something ordinary? Ask me, I am willing to give it a shot. I have even made a viking horn lota.
Tom
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tom crecelius
New user
32 Posts
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Posted: Jul 3, 2012 10:31pm
Oh yes..... my lotas have more than "4 pours"..... ask for references if you need them....
Tom
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