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kambiz
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Posted: May 19, 2012 7:45pm
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On 2012-05-19 19:33, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
Hi kambiz, I love your optimism... I really do and I try my best to share it. Bahai or not.
But just because you don't see "infidels who should be beheaded", doesn't mean a billion others won't. If you know what I'm sayin'...
Until that kinda of faith vanishes, unity is just not possible, at least not in the way you're describing.
But I love your optimism. 
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Thankyou Pakar 
Yes there is a lot of work to be done.....
I'm not sure HOW this is gonna pan out exactly, but Baha'u'llah assures the world it will
Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break.
.....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!
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Pakar Ilusi
Inner circle
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Posted: May 19, 2012 7:50pm
Baha'u'llah from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27u%27ll%C3%A1h
A question, there is a God in Bahaism?
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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MagicSanta
Inner circle
Northern Nevada
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Posted: May 19, 2012 8:22pm
Kam is the Carrie of Bahai.
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kambiz
Inner circle
Perth, down by the cool of the pool
1410 Posts
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Posted: May 19, 2012 8:30pm
LOL thanks Santa! I must say I do admire Carries passion for her faith.
I do hope I am a little more open minded to other peoples Faiths however 
Fundamentalism is definitely not part of my makeup
Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break.
.....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!
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Pakar Ilusi
Inner circle
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Posted: May 19, 2012 8:32pm
A serious question Kam...
How does the Bahai faith regard atheist and atheism?
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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kambiz
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Perth, down by the cool of the pool
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Posted: May 19, 2012 8:50pm
Hi Pakar,
How do you define atheism?
In reality, I struggle to comprehend a belief in the non-existence of an entity. It's like saying I believe in the source of all darkness, when in reality it is just the lack of light.
However, that's my personal opinion, but I wish to know what exactly atheism is in your opinion
Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break.
.....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!
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Pakar Ilusi
Inner circle
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Posted: May 20, 2012 1:33am
The belief that there is no deity or or any other separate entity that created everything, commonly described as God (or Gods).
Especially since the roots of Bahai seems to be Sufism Islam, (forgive me if this is mistaken), the belief that there is no "Allah".
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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kambiz
Inner circle
Perth, down by the cool of the pool
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Posted: May 20, 2012 10:57am
Hi Pakar, apologies for the delayed response.
There is a vast array of passages in the Bahai Writings which elaborate very deeply on the nature of God, and I'm pretty confident that there are hardly any atheists or deists on the planet who has ever considered God in this way.
Essentially, the God described by any atheist or deist on the planet does not exist according to Bahai theology. May I humbly offer this (what I consider) excellent transcript from a talk given by a Bahai physicist which is a glimpse into what the Bahai Writings have to offer in this vast subject.
Part 1 explores the current situation in the world in relation to atheism. Part 2 seeks to explore "some" of the Bahai explanations in response to this situation.
http://bahaiwritings.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/the-bahai-faith-and-atheism-by-dr-steven-phelps.pdf
I would love to hear your thoughts, and I hope it opens your eyes to a perspective you may consider as "new"
I especially think Steve Mollett may enjoy the word "absurdity" within this document
Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break.
.....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!
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tommy
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
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Posted: May 20, 2012 1:09pm
A god is simply an entity with power. When the New World Order come to power then it in itself, as an entity with power, will be a god. Them in the club, that is the intellectual elite and bankers in the club, that Rokerfeller and Brzezinski have selected to run the world, will then elect a god, also lesser gods, from among the members of their club.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJvVEt6F_Xw
At this moment in time the intellectual elite and bankers influence the poweres that be, from their private clubs such as the Trilateral Comission and The Club of Rome and so on.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy
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mastermindreader
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Seattle, WA
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Posted: May 20, 2012 1:59pm
Once you fall into the conspiracy rabbit hole, there is no way out. But, for the record, you forgot to mention the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergers, the Illuminati, the Freemasons and the John Dillinger Died For Your Sins society. Not to mention P-2, the Vatican Bank and the He Man Women Haters Club.
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tommy
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
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Posted: May 20, 2012 2:41pm
Bob
Perhaps then you could tell us what you think is THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy
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Woland
Special user
647 Posts
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Posted: May 20, 2012 2:48pm
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critter
Inner circle
Spokane, WA
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Posted: May 20, 2012 2:58pm
The colors in that image are clearly seperated between black & white, thus demonstrating blatant racism.
I throw stuff.
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Ichi-go ichi-e
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mastermindreader
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Posted: May 20, 2012 3:18pm
Sure Tommy. I thought everyone already knew what the Tri Lateral Commission is. You can find a pretty accurate description and history at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission
As to the conspiracy theorists ideas about it, the following is quoted from the same source:
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| While the Trilateral Commission is only one of many similar think tanks on the right and left, many notable conspiracy theorists believe the organization to be a central plotter of a world government or synarchy. As documented by journalist Jonathan Kay, 9/11 conspiracy theorist Luke Rudkowski gained notoriety in April 2007 by interrupting a lecture by former Trilateral Commission director Zbigniew Brzezinski and accusing the organization and a few others of having orchestrated the attacks of September 11th to initiate a new world order.[7] Conservative and right-wing groups such as the John Birch Society and conspiracy theorists such as American paleoconservative Alex Jones also regularly tout this idea.[8][9]
Conservative pundit Charles Krauthammer alluded to the conspiracy theories when he was asked in 2012 who makes up the "Republican establishment":
Karl Rove is the president. We meet every month on the full moon...[at] the Masonic Temple. We have the ritual: Karl brings the incense, I bring the live lamb and the long knife, and we began... with a pledge of allegiance to the Trilateral Commission. |
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While I rarely agree with Krauthammer, I've got to admit that he seems to understand what many conspiracy theorists seem to believe.
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mastermindreader
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Seattle, WA
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Posted: May 20, 2012 3:22pm
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On 2012-05-20 14:58, critter wrote:
The colors in that image are clearly seperated between black & white, thus demonstrating blatant racism.
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Yep. Those are the ones. The He-Man Women Haters Club, caught in the act of pledging their allegiance to the New World Order!
No racism, though. I believe that is Buckwheat sitting in the very center of the front row.
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MagicSanta
Inner circle
Northern Nevada
5846 Posts
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Posted: May 20, 2012 3:30pm
The kid in the very back is clearly gay, means the he-mans woman haters were very forward thinking.
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Woland
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Posted: May 20, 2012 5:10pm
I think Buckwheat may have been the highest-paid in the group. The bowler hat he wore was a gift from Stan Laurel.
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critter
Inner circle
Spokane, WA
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Posted: May 20, 2012 5:23pm
Smoke and mirrors! Everyone knows that the original Buckwheat in the 1922 shorts was played by Jackie Coogan in blackface. The racist overtones are obvious.
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balducci
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Canada
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Posted: May 21, 2012 11:07am
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On 2012-05-20 17:10, Woland wrote:
I think Buckwheat may have been the highest-paid in the group. The bowler hat he wore was a gift from Stan Laurel.
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I think Farina may have been the highest paid:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Hoskins
http://www.tvparty.com/50rascals3.html
And it was Stymie who received the gift of the bowler hat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Beard_(American_actor)
Tempted to make a comment about the source of all the confusion, but I will let it pass.
"We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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balducci
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Canada
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Posted: May 21, 2012 11:14am
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On 2012-05-20 17:23, critter wrote:
Smoke and mirrors! Everyone knows that the original Buckwheat in the 1922 shorts was played by Jackie Coogan in blackface. The racist overtones are obvious.
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Buckwheat (the male, not the earlier girl character) didn't start as a character in the shorts until 1934. The actor wasn't born until 1931.
So you must be thinking of Coogan playing the character of either Stymie or Farina.
"We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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critter
Inner circle
Spokane, WA
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Posted: May 21, 2012 11:21am
No, man. That's what they want you to think. The grand council doctored the film to remove Jackie Coogan's Buckwheat in order to hide the evidence, man. Who do you even think really controls Wikipedia to begin with? Open your eyes, man, you're swallowing the wrong pill!
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mastermindreader
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Seattle, WA
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Posted: May 21, 2012 11:34am
Buckwheat wasn't Jackie Coogan. Everyone knows he grew up to be Eddie Murphy. I know this because I saw it on TV.
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tommy
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
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Posted: May 21, 2012 1:40pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3vbCxj2ifs
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy
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Woland
Special user
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Posted: May 21, 2012 2:11pm
Allen Hoskins may have had a higher salary, but since Billie Thomas was the only actor to appear in all of the 50 or so MGM short subjects, his earnings from the show may have eclipsed Hoskins's. Matthew Beard was actually my favorite. Did you know who painted the circle around Pete's eye?
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balducci
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Canada
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Posted: May 21, 2012 2:34pm
Actually, I don't know who was the highest paid overall or at the end. Hoskins was the highest paid during his time, and he appears to be the one people most often mean when they talk about the highest paid child actor (who was coincidentally black) at the time. I suppose many of the Our Gang actors at MGM could have made more than Hoskins had towards the end of the show's run.
I did not know or recall the answer to your Pete question but having just looked it up now, I think I may have heard that bit of trivia before.
"The circle around Pal's and Petey's eye, was not entirely natural. They both were born with a three quarters ring (a natural skin coloration was such an oddity that it became certified by Ripley's Believe It or Not) and the remainder of the ring was completed by make up artist Max Factor."
"You may have noticed the circle often migrates between the left and right eye but that is because look a likes were used for stunts and in later films after Petey left the series."
"Both Pal and Petey were the second highest paid Our Gang actors, earning $125.00 per week, second only to Farina (Allen Hoskins)."
http://americacomesalive.com/2011/08/01/pal-the-wonder-dog-and-his-offspring-pete/
"We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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tommy
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
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Posted: May 21, 2012 3:16pm
What THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION is depends on ones point of view. “The Trilateral Commission was formed in 1973 by private citizens of Western Europe, Japan and North America to foster closer cooperation among these three regions on common problems. It seeks to improve public understanding of such problems, to support proposals for handling them jointly, and to nurture habits and practices of working together among these regions.”in their own words. The powers that be will tell us that as that is what The Trilateral Commission tell them it is and if the powers that be said Bah Bah most people today would agree.
Personally I think The Trilateral Commission is a business enterprise. A private club, set up by an elite intellectual and a world banker, namely Zbignieuw Brzezinski and David Rockefeller.
Zbignieuw Brzezinski and David Rockefeller, carefully selected about 200 influential fellows as its members. All these members had a common purpose, which was to influence the policies of the governments, of Western Europe, Japan and North America etc, in ways that would benefit the interests of the David Rockefeller business empire. Which makes more sense to me than a banker throwing lots of his money away setting it up etc for the fun of seeing governments be friends. The New World Order, from a businessmans point of view, is a business idea. The highest paid is David Rockefeller as is the Godfather.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q_ZmBYubCc
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy
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Woland
Special user
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Posted: May 21, 2012 3:58pm
Petey, by the way, like Buster Brown's Tige, was an American pit bull terrier, in the XIXth and early XXth centuries, considered an ideal dog for children.
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MagicSanta
Inner circle
Northern Nevada
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Posted: May 21, 2012 4:19pm
I've not seen the little rascals in years. Is it still on or is it far too racist fr the sensative children today?
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tommy
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
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Posted: May 21, 2012 4:29pm
It depends on whether you still have a black and white tv.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy
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Woland
Special user
647 Posts
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Posted: May 21, 2012 4:44pm
The entire set of the surviving short subjects -about 60 stories in all- is available on DVD. The haunting music is particularly good. The stories that I remember best are the ones about the go-kart fire truck race, the kite whose tail was made of convertible bonds, the cake whose radio-broadcase recipe was confounded with a recipe for an adhesive, the magic lamp that put two socialites into the orphanage, and the pirates who threatened Miss Crabtree.
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