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MagicSanta
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Northern Nevada
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Posted: May 15, 2012 2:30am
What the heck was up with that Areola Jackson on America's Got Talent? I am trying to find some possitive thing about his appearance.
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DonDriver
Inner circle
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Posted: May 15, 2012 10:52am
Santa...wake up and smell the toast burning...he was a ringer...all a put on for the TV.
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MagicSanta
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Northern Nevada
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Posted: May 15, 2012 2:29pm
Thank you Don, I needed that pal.
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Bill Hegbli
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Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
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Posted: May 15, 2012 3:23pm
If anyone has actually watched the previous years of AGT, you should have noted, when finalist are announced, that some of them you never even seen during the whole season. That is because the bad acts is what the producers think America wants to see, bad idiot acts to laugh at or be shocked they even shown up to compete.
It is not worth watching the show at all, if you have to watch, only watch when they get down to the final 6. Although, a year of so ago, they brought in one of those surprise, not aired, talents at the last minute.
I stopped watching, it is not a talent contest, it is a big waste of air time.
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critter
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Spokane, WA
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Posted: May 15, 2012 4:41pm
I thought Kevin James did great a few years back.
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Marlin1894
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Posted: May 15, 2012 4:58pm
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On 2012-05-15 15:23, wmhegbli wrote:
If anyone has actually watched the previous years of AGT, you should have noted, when finalist are announced, that some of them you never even seen during the whole season. |
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I don't think that's true. Up to the semi-finals acts are advanced through a combination of the judges and audiences votes. Although the judges can bring back some "wild cards" but the wild cards are picked from people who appeared but didn't advance.
From the semi-finals on, the acts are advanced through audience vote only. How are people voting for acts that have never even appeared on the show?
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DonDriver
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Posted: May 15, 2012 5:45pm
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On 2012-05-15 16:41, critter wrote:
I thought Kevin James did great a few years back.
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Kevin did do a great job.I'm sure his agent got him the gig and he got paid like any other TV gig he might be on.He wasn't a contestant.Just like other magicians on that show weren't like The Pendragons and Murry and I'm sure others that I don't know about as I don't watch this show much.Its NOT a talent show...its TV drama.
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Payne
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Seattle
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Posted: May 15, 2012 5:58pm
At least he didn't seem to belong to the same banal "Trick Box of the Month Club" that so many AGT magician's seem to belong to. :)
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MagicSanta
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Northern Nevada
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Posted: May 15, 2012 6:50pm
True Payne, too bad he did it so badly. The Pendragons exit was due to contract issues so continuing on wouldn't have suited them.
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Ray Bertrand
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Posted: May 15, 2012 8:22pm
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On 2012-05-15 16:41, critter wrote:
I thought Kevin James did great a few years back.
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I also enjoyed Kevin James on AGT. He was definitely fun to watch.
Ray
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Bill Hegbli
Eternal Order
Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
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Posted: May 17, 2012 5:46am
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On 2012-05-15 16:58, Marlin1894 wrote:
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On 2012-05-15 15:23, wmhegbli wrote:
If anyone has actually watched the previous years of AGT, you should have noted, when finalist are announced, that some of them you never even seen during the whole season. |
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I don't think that's true. Up to the semi-finals acts are advanced through a combination of the judges and audiences votes. Although the judges can bring back some "wild cards" but the wild cards are picked from people who appeared but didn't advance.
From the semi-finals on, the acts are advanced through audience vote only. How are people voting for acts that have never even appeared on the show?
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Okay, they are not bad enough to be seen by the television audiences. Is that better? Do you always take words on forums without thinking of the subject discussed, as in a television show on air. I of course was not speaking of the live audience.
And that is exactly my point, how are acts being voted to the finals without ever being on air? I guess it is done in secret, as they are not bad enough to be shown on the television show aired to the nation.
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Mindpro
Inner circle
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Posted: May 17, 2012 6:29am
I can not think of one act that was ever voted to the finals without ever being on the air? Having been asked to be on this show for several years now, and having some inside knowledge, I'm not sure you where you are getting your facts. Is there someone in particular you are referring to?
Like Idol, I do think there are some initial acts that are allowed on and put through for the sake of good t.v. but it's done in knowing that when it gets to the actual voting and judge elimination, they will not advance. This is done to make the initial audition process interesting and fun, to create talk (good or bad) rather than just great performers or bad performers.
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Bill Hegbli
Eternal Order
Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
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Posted: May 17, 2012 7:02am
I get my facts from watching every week like most viewers. That is why I stopped watching 2 years ago. If you follow the shows episodes, all of a sudden, they are bringing in contestants that were not aired. By aired, I mean given time on the show to show their complete act.
I did recognize one of the contestants that was brought on at the end, and they were only shown during those one second flash through and talk over, of contestants for several hours of a day. Then back to the bad performers, who got all the air time.
I talked to Kevin James, and he explained many of what he went through with AGT. This thing is so fake, it reminds me of the old game show scandals of years ago.
This is one of those times when they are counting votes and 1+1=3 and the viewers are none the wiser.
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MagicSanta
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Northern Nevada
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Posted: May 19, 2012 3:15pm
Some acts are invited to AGT. Easily an act can get through without being seen
I know a woman who was on American Idol (she finished in fifth place her year) and I specifically watched for her. She did not appear on the tryout shows or any of the Vegas shows on air until the final 20 were named and only for a few seconds after final ten she was on as much as anyone.
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Lothar
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Posted: May 25, 2012 9:44pm
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On 2012-05-15 17:58, Payne wrote:
At least he didn't seem to belong to the same banal "Trick Box of the Month Club" that so many AGT magician's seem to belong to. 
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I agree. Everyone knows Criss Angel, David Blaine, and camera tricks are the wave of the future. I'm burning my zig zag as we speak.
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AllAboutMagic
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California
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Posted: May 26, 2012 12:18am
Leave it to those who have never been on the show to state their opinions as facts......lol....can one of the members of the Café who have ACTUALLY performed on the show please chime in. Wmhegbli....if you are getting your facts from watching the TV show, as you state, then you need to watch a bit closer. You don't seem to know what you are talking about, and your facts are way off. Do you ALWAYS take stuff you see on TV and take it for fact. All acts are shown once they make the top 48. Of course they can't show all the acts before that.....they usually have over 75,000 who audition, and of that only 200 make it to Las Vegas. Of the 200 who make it they get 90 seconds....that is still 5 hours of performances not including B rolls, comments, and judging. They film two shows for Vegas Week, two hours a piece with 30 minutes of commercials, I'm sure you can do any further math and come to the conclusion that it is not feesable to get all the acts shown. However, they narrow it to the Top 48, and from there all performances will be seen. You could have probably figured that out on your own if you didn't ALWAYS get your facts from watching TV, like most everyone else. I do agree with you about the votes not having much to really do with the show. The votes are considered, but final approval is up to the executive producer. As far as being a waste of time for magicians....Kevin James will also tell you how much more known and in demand he became after he appeared on the show.
The only people who seem to really care about how real the show is are: cantankerous old magicians, jealous magicians who could never make it on the show, or magicians who are delusional about their talent and are brought on to be laughed at.
Don Driver: None of the acts are paid while they are on the show. Most of the "names" in the industry like the Pendragons, James, Daniels, ect. go on the show to boost their ticket sales and their exposure. Special guests like Copperfield, are paid.
There are a few others here at the Café who have done quite well for themselves since they were on the show. Alexander, and Anderson are two who come to mind. They also performed, as Payne would say, "big box" tricks.  (Origami, Levitation, Cabinet, modern art, Eclipse) Granted Alexander's were much bigger and more expensive then Anderson's, but Alexander is also a full time pro while Anderson was still an amature. Regardless of that, I am sure they would both disagree with with Wmhegbli about the show being a waste of airtime.....as would other successful magicians who are not on the Café: Sawchuck, Grasso, Swank, Reed, Burton, Thomas, Kerr
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AllAboutMagic
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California
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Posted: May 26, 2012 12:39am
Your right Lothar.....where else can America see Camera Trick Free magic on TV nowadays?
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Scott Alexander
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Posted: May 28, 2012 11:57am
You're right AAM...totally NOT a waste. The whole experience for me was very rewarding and still continues to be a year later.
I would do it again in a heartbeat!
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w_s_anderson
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The United States
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Posted: May 28, 2012 11:51pm
Thanks for directing me to this thread AAM! I agree with Scott 100% AND I agree with you 100%. I have had numerous wonderful opportunities since the show, and it still continues.....EVEN TWO years later. My crew and I will be performing this week for Bill Gates and 2500 members of Microsoft, and I was just cast to do magic in a commercial with Daniel Baldwin and R. Lee Ermy (drill sergeant from "Full Metal Jacket")!! All from the recognition I got from being on the show....Granted, not all magicians are treated as well as others, but I think that is the magicians fault and not the shows fault. They look for train wrecks, so it is the magicians job to make sure they are at the top of their game and are actually capable of entertaining a crowd of 3000. Far too many go on that show before they are ready.....and unfortuantely find out the hard way. Of course for those who are disillusioned into thinking this is a "real" talent show, they will always be bitter towards it.
It is currently the only venue on American television that features live magic performances, and it is doing great things for real working performers out there. I, too, would do it again in a heart beat......and......just might.....
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pepka
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Uh, I'm the one on the right.
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Posted: May 29, 2012 1:19am
I've never cared for this or any other competition show. I occasionally check it out if a friend is going to be on, or I hear great things about a performer. For the record, I really did enjoy Wes and Scott VERY much. I just heard that a friend from Baltimore will be on 5/29. Won't give away who it is, but will be sure to check it out!
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MagicSanta
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Northern Nevada
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Posted: May 29, 2012 1:59am
Scott! There have been very good magicians on, some that didn't make it, and crappy ones. Then there is the crappy one who stole applause and comments from good ones for his web site. Lastly there were good ones who just fell apart on the show.
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Bill Hegbli
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Bill and Bill in Fort Wayne Indiana
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Posted: May 29, 2012 11:21am
Yes, Kevin James did say, "I would do it again." He also said he would now have the knowledge to contribute to the interview segments.
From what he discribed, they just pull you outside, in his case, and pop the questions and story line. So that surprise left him with not knowing what to expect and how to enhance the time on camera. And display his talent even further. If you remember, on one such segment he was sitting on a bench. I think what he means, he would have had a trick in his hands during the voice overs.
He also said, that they edited out a huge part of his response to Pierce to make him look like he did. There was much more to the interaction from what he said. He did not elaborate on the particulars.
As an X-viewer, I just would like to see more of the good talent then the bad talent. Instead of the snippets of - your through - your though - your though, and now we get to see the one that does not get through, Lucky us.
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MagicSanta
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Northern Nevada
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Posted: May 30, 2012 12:47am
One thing...being on AGT doesn't make one the best anything. Many are just not interested.
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Michael Baker
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Posted: May 30, 2012 10:38am
Mr. Anderson,
If you don't make arrangements to to get a bit of video of R. Lee Ermy barking down your tonsils, I think you'd be missing the greatest opportunity EVER!!! Ha!
~michael
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critter
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Spokane, WA
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Posted: May 30, 2012 12:15pm
OT: I liked Ermey in that Prefontaine movie because it was so different from the roles he usually plays.
I throw stuff.
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w_s_anderson
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Posted: May 30, 2012 4:32pm
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On 2012-05-30 10:38, Michael Baker wrote:
Mr. Anderson,
If you don't make arrangements to to get a bit of video of R. Lee Ermy barking down your tonsils, I think you'd be missing the greatest opportunity EVER!!! Ha!
~michael
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Another Off Topic/ The commercial is promoting a veterans charity. As a military magician my role is to make a celebrity spokesperson appear to help promote the charity. I'm asked to make Alec Baldwin appear.....and end up making Daniel Baldwin appear instead......then R. Lee Ermy comes out and rips me a new one for producing the "lesser" Baldwin. It should be real funny!
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Michael Baker
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Near a river in the Midwest
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Posted: May 30, 2012 6:53pm
Yup!
~michael baker
The Magic Company
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RiffRaff
Elite user
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Posted: May 30, 2012 11:58pm
You guys may be interested in the following essay:
http://whipchick.livejournal.com/12805.html
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MagicSanta
Inner circle
Northern Nevada
5846 Posts
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Posted: May 31, 2012 5:21pm
Scott, can top twenty people come back?
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Scott Alexander
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874 Posts
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Posted: Jun 1, 2012 2:38pm
Yes... but not right away.
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