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DavidGold
New user
76 Posts
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Posted: May 16, 2012 7:43pm
So I was with a couple of my buddies and we were wondering about how one could flip a coin and have the outcome always be known to the flipper. While we were talking I remembered something I read long ago in a book about coins, it mentioned a skill that could be used to flip a coin but instead of it actually flipping it just wobbled in the air and made it look like the coin is flipping. Does anyone have any other thoughts on this skill or anywhere where I might learn it?
Respectfully
David
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NFS
Regular user
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Posted: May 16, 2012 7:59pm
I think the Buck twins sell it as a video download on their website.
There is another method on controlling the outcome of a coinflip that allows the coin to spin and rotate, not requiring a wobble.
Good luck.
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EDIT: My mistake. It's on their "twothousandten" lecture DVD which is sold out. I have not seen the video so I can not comment on its content.
The way I learned it was to lay your hand flat (palm up) and rest the coin on the tip of the middle finger with the tip of the index finger contacting just a small bit of the coin as well. As you snap the wrist up to propel the coin, give your index finger a gentle flick as well. This will initiate the wobble and (when done well) give a very convincing appearance that the coin was innocently and fairly tossed in the air.
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jfquackenbush
Special user
Out here on the desert
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Posted: May 16, 2012 8:49pm
Nefesch deals with several coin flip controls on his Hot and Cold DVD. not all of them are great and they're routined for magic, but I think if you wtch carefully that disk might set you on the right track for what you're looking for. in particular there's a technique for spinning coins on a table that I love and use all the time to win bar bets. I think at this point my friends buy me drinks just to see me do it again. It's knacky but a very cool illusion.
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critter
Inner circle
Spokane, WA
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Posted: May 17, 2012 2:39am
I've got an old issue of Magic magazine with this in it. I don't have access to my stuff at the moment but when I get a chance I'll try to see which one it was.
I throw stuff.
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p-n_junction
New user
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Posted: May 19, 2012 2:48am
Couple of methods were mentioned in the real hustle UK show.
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
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Posted: May 19, 2012 4:55pm
It was also explained in one of Michael Ammar's Magical Arts Journals, most likely the one that had Card on Ceiling as the "flat spin" technique is very similar.
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Dave V
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
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Posted: May 19, 2012 4:56pm
I've done it a few times. First toss is short and too quick to call so I repeat it saying "This time I'll toss it higher and you call it quicker" The outcome is that the coin never comes down and is stuck to the ceiling.
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NicholasD
Inner circle
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Posted: May 19, 2012 8:31pm
If I recall, there is mention of this idea in Jean Hugard's Coin Magic book ( 1935 ).
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Kirjava
Regular user
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Posted: May 20, 2012 2:05pm
Jay Noblezada has a method, although it doesn't look that fair. If you have a consistent flip, some guys claim they can know if the coin is going to land heads or tails by just flipping and counting in their heads how many seconds it's in the air: I've seen it done and it worked about 75%, although I don't have witnessed anytime long enough to call that proof.
I learned a pretty convicing fake coin toss learned into a magician's or mentalist's book mentionned here in the Café, although I don't remember the name... I'll try and find it though.
edit: Found it! It's this one : Gary Kosnitzky's Coin Toss. Imho it's perfect.
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Expertmagician
Inner circle
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Posted: May 20, 2012 9:12pm
I have been doing the fake coin flip for years...especially in college to see who was going to break in a game of pool.
This was especially useful if I did not want to "lag".
You have 100% control unless you make a mistake.
The coin does wabble and looks just like a flip, especially of you "flip" the coin high up in the air.
The hight of the flip seems to make people more comfortable that the coin is really flipping 
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Cagliostro
Special user
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Posted: May 21, 2012 3:03pm
As I recall there is an Australian coin toss game called “Two Up” played for money, mostly in pubs.
Three penny coins are placed on a paddle and then tossed high in the air. The coins must land on a hard surface and bounce. One can bet on two heads showing or two tails showing. The third coin prevents a head and tail decision as would be the case if only two coins were used.
I think it can also be played with two coins in which case a third bet is possible and that is if a head shows on one coin and a tail on the other. In this instance, I believe one must lay 2-1 odds on that bet.
I am not sure whether the players take turns tossing or if a designated “tosser” is appointed for the game.
Perhaps someone actually acquainted with the game or who plays the game might comment and/or clarify my statements above.
Now if you can control the toss in that game, that would be most impressive and get my attention in a heart beat. 
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Marlin1894
Elite user
434 Posts
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Posted: May 22, 2012 10:08am
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On 2012-05-20 14:05, Kirjava wrote:
edit: Found it! It's this one : Gary Kosnitzky's Coin Toss. Imho it's perfect.
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Let's fire up the wayback machine!
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=149987&forum=3&start=0
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griffindance
Regular user
107 Posts
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Posted: May 28, 2012 8:58am
The way we played in Oz was with two coins and a throwing wedge. Commonly sold in tourist giftshops.
You bet on either Heads or Tails. If it came out Heads AND Tails the Dealer/Tosser took the pot.
Ive never heard of a three coins version until Cagliostro posted...
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Cagliostro
Special user
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Posted: May 28, 2012 2:13pm
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On 2012-05-28 08:58, griffindance wrote:
If it came out Heads AND Tails the Dealer/Tosser took the pot.
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Pretty nice for the dealer.
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tommy
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
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Posted: May 28, 2012 8:27pm
Reminds me of that old film The Sundowners
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy
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luvisi
Elite user
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Posted: May 31, 2012 9:50am
See http://scams.wikispaces.com/Coin+Flipping for several references.
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Tony45
Veteran user
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Posted: Jun 2, 2012 2:49pm
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On 2012-05-21 15:03, Cagliostro wrote:
As I recall there is an Australian coin toss game called “Two Up” played for money, mostly in pubs.
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I don't know if you remember this but 20 years ago in 92 when Main Street Station opened up downtown, they had this game in there. They had like a little box or pit shaped area where the dealer and the next tosser I guess you could call him stood and the tosser threw 3 coins off a paddle into the air and people were betting on it. I forget the layout as I was half drunk at the time and it was a tourist trap sort of thing, it didn't last long.
On another note that's where I first met my Wife, lol.
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